You beat me to it. Now marketing on the other hand, I don't think you have to actually sell anything.

Wow, I can do all of that well! Hrmmmmm, not a reason to give up on the RN degree though. :thumbsup

Yep yep! You have always appeared to be very level headed and don't get loud and spout off like pimpdog himself. I have always noticed you as a reserved, polite webmaster. And obviously you produce, because anyone that knows Trey knows that if you don't produce, you're no longer a rep. for Epic Cash! :thumbsup

xoxo,
Candice :winkwink:

so i've heard, but there are different aspects of this business that i will not be able to get into if i only bring in income from my own sites. i may not make alot from them, but with the quick amount of connections i've made over the last year i think its time i used that to everyones advantage. and so i am willing to put up with "certain" stresses of being a rep, if thats what i end up doing

i think they all do a little bit of everything

You can always do consulting lol

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=401558


Make a press release about yourself. Post content from your paysites every day like some ppl do in here.

You mean connections on the boards, or rather in real life? I mean can you somehow guarantee that you could bring a certain amount of active affiliates to a new program?

And I don't mean hitting up Dr Dre on GFY and telling him how good my program is, or replying to threads and promoting it - since I can do that equally good, but rather offline stuff...

You know what, I thought the exact same thing.

Let's take this to ICQ. There's a couple things I would like to at least warn you about. Hit me up when its convenient for you. 147479144.

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thats pretty bad, but i do agree with you, post count doesnt mean jack, and a few icq convos doesnt mean you can make money.

Actually, I get what you're saying 100%. And it's true. Being on your own is good to a point, but if you aren't able to gain experience in other aspects of the industry, then you never realize your full potential.

Personally, I've always looked at it from a standpoint of how can doing something else add to the experience and knowledge I have and will that make me more valuable all around. If working on a project with someone gives me that, I value it much more than just making the same money doing something I already know how to do.

I've had 3 jobs in this industry. Cashquest (marketing and affiliate program), CCBill (VP of Marketing), and SIC (running the program with Brad yelling at me all the time lol). What I gained from each of those jobs left me with the experience and the ability to work my way now, with the people I choose to work with, at a good price. I've worked with alot of companies since then on short or longer term projects and I've learned alot from many of them.

One thing I haven't done is stop learning things every day, from all different sources. Occasionally a newbie webmaster can come up with an idea that's fresh and profitable. Not often, but enough that it makes keeping up with things interesting.

based off what i've seen on GFY. They insult potential customers, try to be badass know it alls, and then when they are finished talking THEMSELVES up, they drop the company name and say, use them..they are great.

lololool, "hitting up dr dre"

nah, in the last year, i've been to several shows and a few private get-togethers so i know about the importance of meeting people in person. there is a massive difference compared to just chatting on icq.

for now, i cannot measure how many new affiliates i could bring in because this will be new ground to me. but, i have been successful in selling my own advertising and outside of adult i have experience selling telecom work so i really am not a n00b coming into sales. i am however a n00b coming into adult sales

If someone wants to get on with a large sponsor, you have to be active in your pursuit. For example, just posting on the boards is simply not enough.

Izzz made a post of interest, that is good way to start. He has experience with his own ventures, which in opinion, makes him viable. The old ways of hiring people who have 0 clue of what is going on are going to the wayside.

Sly, I respectfully disagree with you about your ventures being put in jeopardy. All situations are of course different, but at least in my case, Weg has been nothing but supportive of things I pursue. Jason, Jordan and Christian are only 15 feet away from me all day and a phone call away at night. Most people would probably pay by the hour to walk into Jason's office with a personal business question.

I also worked for an AVS that ventured into payment processing from the ground up. Now account for the fact that I am not only the Director of Marketing, but the public front, and realize that I get to mingle with some pretty heavy hitters. I know more than most people would ever dream of knowing just because I work hands on with a huge program. That knowledge will serve me well, hopefully in mainstream ventures some day.

Taking a Marketing job was the absolute best thing I ever did. I would never have made my own personal venture money without doing so. Not short-selling myself, just stating the facts.

your a perfect example.:thumbsup

for me, i waited till i felt comfortable with what i have been able to do so far. so as for me starting my own prog right now, it would not be a wise decision, because i use my head to make moves and not my heart.

so the next best thing for me to do is to try and get into a good comfortable company where i can use my ideas and "people skills"

btw, i am also way hotter than all the existing sales reps out there

LOL

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ok, I was just asking since we are opening a program but we gonna operate it from Poland so I spontaneusly thought that someone who could somehow promote us on US shows would be cool ( someone who often attends them like you )

But then again, I am not sure if this will be necessary. :D

thats not totally true, my favourite sales reps would never do that they are always very helpful.

Thanks for the kind words :)

and now you can afford those sexy shirts:thumbsup

but seriously, i take the example of those that have been around and have tried different aspects of this business.

personally i will never be a coder, designer or content producer, just because i can not do those things successfully. but sales, marketing and management i have a good chance to succeed at

Sounds like what a real sales rep for a program should be. :2 cents:

This thread is funny cause I was just talking about this exact thing with my girlfriend. She's been wanting to get in the biz for a while now and I've finally convinced her to at the very least try basic webmatering and build free sites etc.. just to get her feet wet.

Recently she showed intersest in becoming a sales rep as well.

Now the funny thing though is even without building a single page yet she prolly knows more than 90% of sales reps out there simply from listening to me talk about what I do. It's kinda scary how well she picks things up and understands what I'm talking about.

If she ever does become a sales rep I'm going to have to have her sign some non-disclosure agreement so she doesn't reveal my secrets/traffic sources etc, LOL

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any pics?

j/k

only now do i feel comfortable enough to try my hand at this. if someone sees potantial in me or if i see a good offer than i will not hesitate. but also, if the opportunity doesnt present itself now, i'll just hold off till another time

It's all about CONTACTS!! Old contacts, new contact, long term contacts, temporary stepping stone contacts, contacts in every corner of the industry... Traffic, hosting, scripts, processing, etc.

And always remember DON'T burn your bridges... Someone that might be useless to you probably has a friend that you'll meet at the NEXT convention that makes you a nice little commish long term.

Just because someone from a small little tgp pissed you off at a party once, doesn't mean that guy won't someday be your boss OR the boss of someone you're trying to get traffic from.

You need to be on top of your game with daily shit maintenance of webmasters (like "where's my check?") but you need to be spending most of your day learning ALL the different traffic sources out there and how you can tap into ALL of it... or at least understand it so that when you're asked something by an affiliate, you will know how to answer.

Most importantly I think is that you need to be readily available pretty much at all times. When a webmaster has a question, it's usually because they're right in the middle of deciding whether to sign up OR physically putting your links up. There's value in spreading your day out past the 9 to 5 office hours here..

#1 complaint I have heard from webmasters is that they don't get answers to their emails or just plain shitty customer service. It really pisses them off worse when they see you playing on the boards while they're being brushed under the rug.

Marketing in my opinion is a little different.. I think of marketing as how you can get attention from the masses and make a lasting impression. You know, like Turd on the toilet banners or Gabe in a baby diaper. Advertising to your advertisers is always a challenge. Creativity in this dept is a must...

Anyway I could go on and on... proceed

:2 cents: :2 cents: And never give two cents.. give FOUR :)

Hey Meloman!! You know you're probably right. This reminds me of another point. If you don't have contacts or computer skills, you can still probably get a good head start knowing from a distance who is who and what is what... that's a value in itself.

Hope you're doing good buddy... Let me know what you're up to ;)

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very nice advice. i feel like i've been a decent guy, and i've always been as nice as possible to all n00bs too. also, from selling my own spots on my network of sites i've become accustomed to working with webmasters on their issues and questions. i feel like i've built up a good base of people that i've done business with

Of my girlfriend? You prolly can rememer her from the PureCash dinner back in August. She was the one with me.

Waaaazup Rrred! We gonna party it up in Vegas or what!

lol right you should, could make alot of money doing that

your my HER-ro!

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Mr Izz,

Hit me up if you are serious. 21239908.

AskJolene is looking for assistant.

Mainly sales and Branding.

That's Hot.


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I hope I'm not late here... :)

For me being a sales rep. is hard yet challenging ... now I'm having a hard time 'coz its not easy to gain trust to people whom can you only chat with... and most of them will judge you in an instant ... like "outsourcing idiot"... "outsourcing whore" ... etc ... we are being judged because of our work ... perhaps no one can understand and no one will listen to our reasons ... I guess we have to do what we have to do ... ignore the mockery...carry our sig with heads up ...