I know they've had issues in the past, but I hear nothing but good things about them these days.

See folks this what happens when mommy smokes crack during pregnancy:stoned

What's really funny about this lawsuit threat is that if he was actually going to sue for alleged monies owed -- starting on Sept. 2000 --- he probably should have filed suit by Sept. 2001 or shortly thereafter ...

Usually you have to file a claim within a year ... otherwise the lawsuit may be thrown out ... LOL

Of course, he still might have time to file for the other alleged monies owed ... but he probably has a statute of limitations problem because you have to file when the alleged fraud is discovered.

And he has now publicly stated that he was allegedly ripped off starting on September 2000 ....

Not that this is a serious threat anyway ... but I thought the above info might be entertaining ... LOL

I know what a sponser isn't...

Soul, how do you support those ripoff artists over at UP?

"CCBill is very weird on my site ... I can get 10 signups in 1 hour (11am EST) and nothing during 5 hours ... and that doesn't make any sense ..."
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Makes perfect sense. The law of averages says that you will convert at a certain rate. Say for easy math, 1:100.

That doesn't mean that every 100th shot will be a sale, it just means that if you throw enough traffic at it, you will average 1:100.

ok let's dance

Ludedude, when i joined UP i thought it was related with FNP and i learned from here that they stole the design from FNP. Do I support them? Currently, UP converts very well and for me it's the only thing that matters. I'm sure Dave from FNP can take care the part of copying their work, but this is an issue that it hasn't to do with me.

redshift, probably you don't know who Conrad is and keep the crack lines for your own mother bro. I bet you don't know for what you're talking about and everyone that has been ripped from sponsors knows how hard is to go after them.

Many of the webmasters here have lost many grands over years from bad sponsors, almost NONE and NEVER followed the law solution. Imagine now living in Europe and facing the same problem.


Conrad is a very honest webmasters which has been paid for many years from a lot of sponsors, large amounts of money without having ever any problem. He faced a problem with Epoch and not with the sponsor.

Concerning epoch: read the posts above and get your own conclusions. Some of the webmasters already gave an answer from their personal experience.

many sponsors have lost much more from bad webmasters so what's your point?


I've NEVER heard of a processor or sponsor accuse someone of fraud over signups for no reason.
I HAVE heard of webmasters trying to defraud sponsors and processors however.
I've also seen many cases of a thieving webmaster's friends telling us all how honest they are.

While history doesn't always prove to be right, it is 99.9% of the time. ;)

... well, it´s like lensman said ... they had their issues in the past, but I also only heared good things about them lately ... but I do know of too many people that have never ever gotten their reserve back, and that really leaves a bad taste for the future ... doesn´t it ??

"many sponsors have lost much more from bad webmasters so what's your point? "

No doubt and these fuckers are responsible for the bad end of some sponsors. I reffered to the difficulty there's to do something in such cases and of course this includes both parts (webmasters/sponsors).

If someone makes a search on the board he'll see me reffering that sponsors having Epoch as main CC processor do pretty well. As funkmaster said, past events leave bad taste and if you belong to the people that haven't being paid from Epoch in the past for sure you don't even wanna hear the company's name.

The president of the company has offered to make good on any unpaid account balances, if owed. If people have issues, they should contact him.

If these people have a valid claim, contact the president, and Paycom still refuses to pay --- then they would obviously have a legtimate reason to complain. But until then, what else would you expect the company to do?

All reserve issues have been resolved with primary account holders. Again, if you or someone you know believes that we owe them money either from processing or reserves then please send me an email and I will look into it personally.

In regards to Conrad, his account was closed due to fraudulent activity. All funds for his account are being transferred to the webmaster, it is now
the webmasters decision whether or not to pay Conrad. Anytime Epoch determines an account to have high levels of fraudulent activity such as with this account then the account is automatically terminated. In addition, our agreement is with the webmaster not the reseller. The bottom line is we are not holding any of your
money Conrad.

Clay
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