BlueWire

If anyone has the patience to read through this, i'd appreciate your opinion...

Was I an idiot on my communication? Am i really that fuckin retarted?

...I've inserted the name "client" to protect this GFYers name


SOMEONE PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ


ME
Hi, did you ever get to see our work posted?

Client
No..sure didn't. I looked for you Friday...but I remember you don't work on Fridays I think you said.


ME
We made schedule adjustments, and we came in today as well...Will be working sunday evening

ME
we wanted to make sure to get everyone's logos to them in a timely fasion

Client
ok...so what can I look at?

ME
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...00#post6052100
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...adid=400630&s=

CLIENT
nice work.

ME
thnx

CLIENT
when could u do mine?

ME
We would do it monday. We dont have that same deal though...not sure if that will spoil it for ya....but the deal was for thursday's customers

CLIENT
I thought I was on the list?

CLIENT
7th?

ME
You never paid...you would have been 7th

ME
sorry
CLIENT
:-( I guess I misunderstood you. I thought you said it would be ok until I looke at your work first.??

CLIENT
I had 3 mainstream and 2 adult for u

CLIENT
which you CAN use in your portfolio

ME
I appologize if i wasn't clear. I was saying that if you felt uncomfortable with not waiting than you could wait...i didnt mean to imply the deal would be available past that day.

ME
We could still hook you up with a good deal compared to market value if you put in a bulk order like that

ME
well below what you would pay at any other design studio

CLIENT
No, I won't do it then.... I guess "the customer" is not always right in this case... lol

ME
Its more a matter of that because i accepted these deals and honored so many of them I had a 40 hour work day

ME
no break

CLIENT
I have logos for my mainstream businesses, just wanted to see what your company could do.

CLIENT
Well, glad to hear that biz is good for you.

ME
well, we can work out a similar price but we cant do 5 unique tries for that price

CLIENT
3 for $12?

ME
thats worse deal for us

CLIENT
5/20=4
4x3=12
same deal?

CLIENT
ok...tell me the price for 5 then.....

ME
for 5...that are heavy graphics...like the xxx reality....50......for 5 corporate style like the MMH Enterprises....40.

If you want the 20 dollar price then that'd be for you giving us as many details as you can about waht you want and then we make our best effort of it....if it needs a couple small tweeks we'd be willing to take care of that

CLIENT
ok lets do the $20 I'll give as many details as I can (and a good reference to my mainstream webmaster friends). I own an LARGE mainstream affiliate site...so I am sure I could send biz your way for guys looking to jazz up their sites, etc...

ME
sounds good. You want for one site? or for all 5? or what did you have in mind?

CLIENT
1 per site.
5 different sites.

ME
okay, since there are so many that are each COMPLETELY different mind if we spread it out over the week?

CLIENT
sure

ME
we've got 1 other logo and one full site design to do next week

ME
so if we can do one per day that'd be great

CLIENT
the full site design...is that adult?

ME
No, its a photography interest group site. Its from the guy we did the MMH Enterprises & Porn Thugs logos for

ME
he was quite happy with what he recieved and hired us on the spot

CLIENT
ok.....what are your prices for an adult site?
Main page, tour page, join page

CLIENT
just one tour page

CLIENT
Yes because it would be designed where it could be used over again for updates, etc... Panel style where I could add in the pics for future updates, etc..


ME
Yes because it would be designed where it could be used over again for updates, etc... Panel style where I could add in the pics for future updates, etc..

Explain this a bit more for me please


CLIENT
the tour page 1 would be basically the same style (same header as the main) with i.e. 4 panels per page....similar to: http://www.roundandbrown.com/main.ht...andnet&p=clean see how each page is set up the same way except for different pics in the update panels?

ME
yes i see

CLIENT
unless you guys can come up with another idea that the adult sector hasnt seen yet to be able to list the updates, etc...

ME
so you want that same style ...girl name, pics...etc......logo with replaceable pics at the top

CLIENT
No, I would just want a place for 3 or 4 promo pics and a small text box of sorts. The design and layout I'd leave to you guys...I guess it would have to go along with the mainpage header look/theme, etc..

CLIENT
I had this designed for me for $125
www.asiankim.com

ME
so was that for all pages? or what was the 125 for?

CLIENT
for the entire site

ME
are you happy with that level of quality or you want something a bit higher?

CLIENT
not sure.....asiankim is doing well for me as it is. Is that considered "low" quality?

ME
no, thats not bad at all....its not as high quality as the other site you linked me to which would take more time than that one...but its like high end/simple....

ME
sometimes porn sites want a little more eye candy to titilate their customer

CLIENT
ok....well give me a price estimate.....It would be nice if you guys could come up with a different/unique design that is different than the "average" adult site style.

ME
one last question...are we just gonna paste some type of shopping cart thing in for the signup? or do we have to code that?

CLIENT
No...just do like this: something like this http://asiankim.com/join.html : and I'll place the processing codes in from there.

ME
Okay...so the logo is sepperate as part of our other deal...

CLIENT
yes...If all works out, I'd like to work with you on some future projects.

CLIENT
and don't try to recoup the logo deal on the site deal LOL

ME
no not at all

CLIENT
just a joke....just a joke... I'm in a good mood this evening.

ME
but i am quoting actual prices on the site...which is 25/hr

CLIENT
ok...just give me a price....I have bought and paid for a TON of web design.....and if I think we can work together, I'll hire you. No problems.

ME
okay...Honestly minus the logo to do this at the level i require i see this as a full day's work for one of my web designers...we work 10 hour days....so i see this as $250. I know that's double what you said you paid for the other one. I have a bit more eye catching look in mind and I definitely want your business so I assure you I'm not trying to screw you over. I just really think this will take a full 10 hour day to get right...maybe some extra even...So my quote is $100 for 5 logos and $250 for the site which includes the warning page, main page, one tour page, and join

CLIENT
so $250 for the site design?

ME
yes...$350 for site design + the 5 logos

CLIENT
how did the logos go from $20 to $100 ?

That is 2 separate jobs. ?

I just asked for a quote on the site design... lol

We've already agreed to the 5 logos for $20 if I supplied as much info as I can, etc... (see above)
ME
100 for 5 logos...

CLIENT
20 each remember?

ME
so yes...i was just adding it if you wanted to order both...sorry

ME
cuz i figured one of the logos would be for the site you're thinking of designing

CLIENT
QUOTE FROM ABOVE
ok...tell me the price for 5 then.....


ME
you want the 20 dollar price then that'd be for you giving us as many details as you can about waht you want and then we make our best effort of it....if it needs a couple small tweeks we'd be willing to take care of that

CLIENT
ok lets do the $20 I'll give as many details as I can (and a good reference to my mainstream webmaster friends). I own an LARGE mainstream affiliate site...so I am sure I could send biz your way for guys looking to jazz up their sites, etc...


1 per site.
5 different sites.

ME
okay, since there are so many that are each COMPLETELY different mind if we spread it out over the week?

CLIENT
sure


ME
yes, we're on same page

ME
we're just miscommunicating saying same thing different ways

ME
we are designing 5 logos for you, for 5 different sites

CLIENT
so for 5 logos with minimal tweeks = total $20

ME
20 dollars each, for a total of $100 for the 5

CLIENT
oh now its 20 each?

ME
Thats what i was trying to say all along

CLIENT
lol

CLIENT
you need to get your message across better earlier then.

ME
20 bucks...we take our best shot at it...and then you get to tweek it

CLIENT
Tell you what...
Just forget it all.

Cya

ME
I appologize for that, I just reread that and I didnt communicate that across very well

ME
lol, gee thanks

CLIENT
you can delete me off your icq





In the end i just took a customer is always right mentality and so he's getting 5 sepperate logos and a site design for 270....

What do you guys think? Anyone make i through the whole convo? I wanna know what you guys think..

FreshChecks

dam, that is long.

no time for that right now

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BlueWire

yeah ...its long...i thought about scaling it down...but i think its important to read the whole thing...

I'd appreciate it if some of you could take the time to read it...

its a conversation so its actually not as long as it seems....like 3-4 minute read

NaughtyRob

I would CERTAINLY not post it on GFY.

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BlueWire

I debated it...I know its not professional....but this one really got me steamed so I changed the names to protect everyone

If he gets pissed he can tell me to fuck myself... I wanna know what you guys think i should have done and what to do in this situation in the future

Dildozer

5 logos for 20$ ??? lol what a retard

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Napolean

i thought it was pretty clear, $20 per logo, 5 logo's.. $100 total

not a bad deal at all... $20 for 5 logos would be badass tho, lol

he read what you said wrong, simple misunderstanding from what i see

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BlueWire

Yeah, it was the fact that you could easily see how i meant that and he ended the convo like he did that got me steamed....a misunderstanding is one thing...but no need to be rude

bret

your client is an idiot. when people try to screw me on pricing i let them take their business elsewhere. usually when someone is that picky over a few hundred dollars they will run you through the ringer with the design work, and try to find every excuse not to pay you. and since you already broke down for them once, they feel it will be very easy to brake you down ever further once you have completed the work.

at the very least get your money up front.

BlueWire

Well our next disagreement was that the logo for the site design wasnt one of the 5 that i was gonna design for him...

Unfortunately when you're new in the business and need to build a portfolio and a good rep.....

...that is unless someone wants to take this guys job for us to do ;)


...i'm only kidding....well...hmmm...half kidding...i dunno ...hehe...

iFliPcEss

there's a miscommunication between you and your client, that's it

BlueWire

I agree...i mean, i think i didnt put it as well as i could...but after saying that we werent gonna do the 20 for 5 cuz it was so hard to get finished i just dont know how you could think that? And ya dont gotta be so rude like at the end of the convo ya know?... But just curious on everyone's input...

baddog

I am sorry . . . . I tried, but couldn't do it

BlueWire

hehe..thanks for the effort...i think this thread should be locked now ....i'd like to see it go away...i got the opinions i wanted..i'm satisfied

Doctor Dre

Read the first part ... cheap fuck for 20 $ . not worth wasting time for

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Doctor Dre

if some1 needs to argue to save 8 $ on some design ... there is a problem.

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Doctor Dre

What kind of logos you do for 20 $ ?

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Chris

i read it at 5 logos for 20$ if he gave you exactly detials

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BlueWire

Dre,
Not sure if you saw but we ran a logo special the other day, it was 5 ideas for 1 logo for 20 bucks....we're new in town and want to establish a good rep and build our portfolio....our 20 dollar domains are as good as our 75 dollar domains

demented

I understood you just fine.

BackToMine

bump to annoy you

NickPapageorgio

Oh if it were only that easy. Cheap fuckers like you living at home with mom and pop are what is driving my prices down. Please leave now.

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jukeboxfrank

The only problem I see is that you should have gave him the special price to begin with. Once you started to change the deal because he was late he started to break your balls. If you offer a deal and a customer quotes it after a short time don't sweet it.

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dodger21

Cliff Notes version please.

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