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mailman · 12-11-2004, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
you all need to realize that MP didn't bring this drama here......someone else did
i saw this on the MP board yesterday, and i think they are in the process of dealing with it

exactly...

as we did mention it was her site well after the thread started on our board its still an issue.. mabey paysite owners can see it our way mabey not! but there is still an issue here..

becuase you have a pussy and you get naked for the camera we should treat you better and be like its okay baby.. if a russian did this or some little ghetto ass site people would be on them like a fly on shit..

scew all this double standard BS in the industry!

candyflip · 12-11-2004, 11:43 AM

beemk · 12-11-2004, 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
typically upsells inside the site aren't credited to affiliates...only things on the tour are credited...that is pretty standard

i think anything like pills or dvds are fine for upsells, but if you have a revshare site and you send members to different paysites it increases their chances of canceling, which is pretty much fucking the affiliate.

Johny Traffic · 12-11-2004, 11:44 AM

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i think anything like pills or dvds are fine for upsells, but if you have a revshare site and you send members to different paysites it increases their chances of canceling, which is pretty much fucking the affiliate.

I agree 100% It's a shitty thing to do

Mutt · 12-11-2004, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by beemk
you're an idiot. your saying someone that uses too much free content that was provided to them is the same as stealing content. and if its not in the rules its the programs fault.

no you are the idiot - every webmaster who isn't a natural born scammer knows EXACTLY what the purpose of FREE CONTENT provided by an affiliate program is for and what it is NOT for. And using it as bonus content ain't cool, using it on a tour is definitely not cool - using it to promote the affiliate program who gave it to you is the ONLY valid use for it. NOT beefing up your own skimpy members area and just slapping the banner up as an afterthought.

Sly · 12-11-2004, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt
no you are the idiot - every webmaster who isn't a natural born scammer knows EXACTLY what the purpose of FREE CONTENT provided by an affiliate program is for and what it is NOT for. And using it as bonus content ain't cool, using it on a tour is definitely not cool - using it to promote the affiliate program who gave it to you is the ONLY valid use for it. NOT beefing up your own skimpy members area and just slapping the banner up as an afterthought.

Using it as bonus content is perfectly fine if its used correctly and the sponsor doesn't have a problem with it. Most sponsors don't, but some do. Oliver Klosav, for example, doesn't allow such actions.

Using sponsor content appropriately as bonus content can make for great joins to the sponsor. Turning that away is just silly unless the sponsor is trying to protect a certain image, like Playboy for example.

beemk · 12-11-2004, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt
no you are the idiot - every webmaster who isn't a natural born scammer knows EXACTLY what the purpose of FREE CONTENT provided by an affiliate program is for and what it is NOT for. And using it as bonus content ain't cool, using it on a tour is definitely not cool - using it to promote the affiliate program who gave it to you is the ONLY valid use for it. NOT beefing up your own skimpy members area and just slapping the banner up as an afterthought.

using the content in your members area (assuming you have their banners with the content) is a great idea as far as sending them sales. a program would have to be crazy to not want them to send qualified surfers. if you use it in the tour you arent exactly promoting their site with any links though and it defeats the purpose of free content and it is actually stealing. using it as bonus content isnt any different than using it for tgp galleries. if the sponsor wants to limit how much of the content you use at a time they shouldnt make that much available, or put it in their terms of service.

beemk · 12-11-2004, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by Sly
Using it as bonus content is perfectly fine if its used correctly and the sponsor doesn't have a problem with it. Most sponsors don't, but some do. Oliver Klosav, for example, doesn't allow such actions.

Using sponsor content appropriately as bonus content can make for great joins to the sponsor. Turning that away is just silly unless the sponsor is trying to protect a certain image, like Playboy for example.

its nice to see someone actually has a clue.

mailman · 12-11-2004, 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by beemk
using the content in your members area (assuming you have their banners with the content) is a great idea as far as sending them sales. a program would have to be crazy to not want them to send qualified surfers. if you use it in the tour you arent exactly promoting their site with any links though and it defeats the purpose of free content and it is actually stealing. using it as bonus content isnt any different than using it for tgp galleries. if the sponsor wants to limit how much of the content you use at a time they shouldnt make that much available, or put it in their terms of service.

okay when you get a paysite.. we will put up a freinds section and take 50+ HQ photos from you hell mabey more since you think its a good idea... and list them in our sites and then just put your banner at the very bottom for no one to see..

Sounds great man!!

Sly · 12-11-2004, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by mailman
okay when you get a paysite.. we will put up a freinds section and take 50+ HQ photos from you hell mabey more since you think its a good idea... and list them in our sites and then just put your banner at the very bottom for no one to see..

Sounds great man!!

If you're serious I'll be sure to let you know. Of course, my images will be watermarked and removing such watermark will be against my TOS.

Theo · 12-11-2004, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by mailman
Its never to late...

thank god

mailman · 12-11-2004, 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by Sly
Using it as bonus content is perfectly fine if its used correctly and the sponsor doesn't have a problem with it. Most sponsors don't, but some do. Oliver Klosav, for example, doesn't allow such actions.

Using sponsor content appropriately as bonus content can make for great joins to the sponsor. Turning that away is just silly unless the sponsor is trying to protect a certain image, like Playboy for example.

again we dont have a problem with it.. guess when you have a bronken link to your site and they use full sets its an issue..

Again we offer a lot of exclusive cotent for webmasters to use and we list the whole set so you can make a good gallery and pick the content you want to match your promoting (ie, nonnude, hardcore etc..) and not to use the full set for paysites! Someone like Ivy who we would assume knows that did not..

mailman · 12-11-2004, 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by Sly
If you're serious I'll be sure to let you know. Of course, my images will be watermarked and removing such watermark will be against my TOS.

Sorry Sly I was just being an ass.. we dont need a "FRIENDS" section to get rebills.

Sly · 12-11-2004, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by mailman
again we dont have a problem with it.. guess when you have a bronken link to your site and they use full sets its an issue..

Again we offer a lot of exclusive cotent for webmasters to use and we list the whole set so you can make a good gallery and pick the content you want to match your promoting (ie, nonnude, hardcore etc..) and not to use the full set for paysites! Someone like Ivy who we would assume knows that did not..

That message was more for Mutt.

Like I said before, if she needs to rely on sponsor content and thinks its a good idea to use full sets of sponsor content... maybe she isn't the great webmaster she claims to be. You and I both know better than that.

Sly · 12-11-2004, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by mailman
Sorry Sly I was just being an ass.. we dont need a "FRIENDS" section to get rebills.

And I was being an ass as well. But my offer still does stand. 2

mailman · 12-11-2004, 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by Sly
That message was more for Mutt.

Like I said before, if she needs to rely on sponsor content and thinks its a good idea to use full sets of sponsor content... maybe she isn't the great webmaster she claims to be. You and I both know better than that.

Okay got ya! Sorry for that.. and yeah I know we know better!

RuthXtremePay · 12-11-2004, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
as for things like penis enlargers and dvds, those are great upsells, but I think it is rather silly to send someone in your paysite to ANOTHER paysite....kind of defeats the purpose of making money and it will piss a lot of affiliates off...

Hey Jace.. good point! And that's why here at XtremePay we offer the option to build a custom 'store' that will nicely fit right into your current members section. That way you retain your customer, your customer also feels there is more value to YOUR paysite PLUS you get the upsell without losing the traffic ANYWHERE.

We currently have this set-up going with a few sponsors, and if anyone else is interested in making more sales from their members section, then please hit me up (ICQ #233854608)

Want to give it a go, but you're worried about your affiliates losing out and not wanting to send traffic to your paysite anymore?

We have THAT covered too!

We can INTEGRATE our affiliate program with yours so that you can also provide your webmasters with additional commissions for any upsells completed in your members section. And no, you don't have to give us ANY information on your current affiliates - the power and beauty of excellent programming

XtremePay is the perfect answer to making more money with your current traffic/members.

Anyone interested, please hit me up and let's get things rolling!

mailman · 12-11-2004, 12:13 PM

http://www.privateivy.com/girlfriends.htm

check the pop up..

I guess you could say shes using our content in the tour!

Penny Flame
Jade Hsu
Alexa

These 3 sets are confirmed to be ours.. looking for more still.

lloyd · 12-11-2004, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by mailman
exactly...

as we did mention it was her site well after the thread started on our board its still an issue.. mabey paysite owners can see it our way mabey not! but there is still an issue here..

becuase you have a pussy and you get naked for the camera we should treat you better and be like its okay baby.. if a russian did this or some little ghetto ass site people would be on them like a fly on shit..

scew all this double standard BS in the industry!

i agree 100%, the first thing that came to mind when i saw this thread was when sexped was using the adult.com content for his background with that tiny little text link. as would be expected, the shit completely flew, but this isnt so far from that and everyone seems oddly quiet..

Jace · 12-11-2004, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by RuthXtremePay
Hey Jace.. good point! And that's why here at XtremePay we offer the option to build a custom 'store' that will nicely fit right into your current members section. That way you retain your customer, your customer also feels there is more value to YOUR paysite PLUS you get the upsell without losing the traffic ANYWHERE.

We currently have this set-up going with a few sponsors, and if anyone else is interested in making more sales from their members section, then please hit me up (ICQ #233854608)

Want to give it a go, but you're worried about your affiliates losing out and not wanting to send traffic to your paysite anymore?

We have THAT covered too!

We can INTEGRATE our affiliate program with yours so that you can also provide your webmasters with additional commissions for any upsells completed in your members section. And no, you don't have to give us ANY information on your current affiliates - the power and beauty of excellent programming

XtremePay is the perfect answer to making more money with your current traffic/members.

Anyone interested, please hit me up and let's get things rolling!

w00t w00t, that's the sound of a thread jack

Libertine · 12-11-2004, 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by RuthXtremePay
spam

Way to make yourself look like an asshole

Mutt · 12-11-2004, 12:19 PM

free content is for promoting the program who gave it to you - if you want to market it to your members as 'bonus content' that's fine - but sorry, when you're putting up galleries of 50+ images and multiple galleries from multiple sponsors your main intent isn't promoting the site the images came from - your main intent is picking up some free content for your members
area, and that does piss off most programs who sink big bucks into their own content.

this is a road well travelled during the heyday of AVS.

pornguy · 12-11-2004, 12:24 PM

Johny, Yes. infact that is the one requirment is that we can do this. And it is also the reason that we limit the number of photos and the number of sets. We do not fill our members area with other people stuff. We only have about 8 " Friends " listed at any given time. If they dont convert, we remove them.

KMR Stitch · 12-11-2004, 12:25 PM

Drama.....mpa2 sucks anyways ;-)

But MP rox I have had someone rebilling for 7 months now

Johny Traffic · 12-11-2004, 12:31 PM

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http://www.privateivy.com/girlfriends.htm

check the pop up..

I guess you could say shes using our content in the tour!

Penny Flame
Jade Hsu
Alexa

These 3 sets are confirmed to be ours.. looking for more still.

Thats theft

PrivateIvy · 12-11-2004, 12:31 PM

This will be my only post on this matter.

I have never stolen content from any company nor individual.

Each week within my members area and the members areas of 12 other websites I run, I feature a "Girlfriend" of the week and yes, these are mostly sponsors I'm promoting to my members.

It is qualified traffic...the best you can get and my members area traffic converts on average around 1:34.

I promote other single model sites like Naughty Allie and others and also use programs like Twisted Cash and NSCash and do very well with them.

Programs that don't offer zipped content, I email to ask for zipped galleries and let them know that I'm using them in my members area as an upsell.

We all make money and I'm using content that has been provided to me by each program.

As for medium pimpin, I am not promoting their program at all. I did so in the past and will have to check to see if perhaps there is something old in there that I've overlooked ( I have over 200 girlfriend galleries I believe) The only one that comes to mind is a gallery of Crissy Moran which is currently linking to a 404 because of all the drama they had when she left them and I just haven't had time to pull it down.

Again, this will be my only post to this thread. If someone has an issue with how I conduct my business, it is more professional to bring it up in email.

Ivy

beemk · 12-11-2004, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mailman
http://www.privateivy.com/girlfriends.htm

check the pop up..

I guess you could say shes using our content in the tour!

Penny Flame
Jade Hsu
Alexa

These 3 sets are confirmed to be ours.. looking for more still.

yeah thats definitely something for you to get pissed about, i agree with you as far as using it on the tour.

neverlearn · 12-11-2004, 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by Rictor
I hear she likes to do that.

thats not a nice thing to say at all...

Digipimp · 12-11-2004, 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by Rictor
So the average webmaster has no common sense and needs you to hold their hand? Noted.

yes, now welcome to the real reality of the average webmaster retard

MetaMan · 12-11-2004, 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by RuthXtremePay
Hey Jace.. good point! And that's why here at XtremePay we offer the option to build a custom 'store' that will nicely fit right into your current members section. That way you retain your customer, your customer also feels there is more value to YOUR paysite PLUS you get the upsell without losing the traffic ANYWHERE.

We currently have this set-up going with a few sponsors, and if anyone else is interested in making more sales from their members section, then please hit me up (ICQ #233854608)

Want to give it a go, but you're worried about your affiliates losing out and not wanting to send traffic to your paysite anymore?

We have THAT covered too!

We can INTEGRATE our affiliate program with yours so that you can also provide your webmasters with additional commissions for any upsells completed in your members section. And no, you don't have to give us ANY information on your current affiliates - the power and beauty of excellent programming

XtremePay is the perfect answer to making more money with your current traffic/members.

Anyone interested, please hit me up and let's get things rolling!

SHUT YOUR HOLE BITCH

Platinumpimp · 12-11-2004, 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by MetaMan
SHUT YOUR HOLE BITCH

Johny Traffic · 12-11-2004, 12:39 PM

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I have never stolen content from any company nor individual.

Is mailman not telling the truth about you using his content on your tour? I wouldnt know because I dont know his content or yours.

candyflip · 12-11-2004, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by Johny Traffic
Is mailman not telling the truth about you using his content on your tour? I wouldnt know becaue I dont know his content or yours.

She has made her one post on this matter.

Platinumpimp · 12-11-2004, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mailman
http://www.privateivy.com/girlfriends.htm

check the pop up..

I guess you could say shes using our content in the tour!

Penny Flame
Jade Hsu
Alexa

These 3 sets are confirmed to be ours.. looking for more still.

Funny though that somebody that was taking fights with HeatherHamptons to this board now says it is unprofessional to do this through the board and that they should e-mail her.

Yea rrrrrright

RuthXtremePay · 12-11-2004, 12:42 PM

LOL - not a thread jack, just seeing an opportunity where people are discussing about upsells in members areas to let them know what we can offer.

Isn't that how business is done? See an opportunity and go with it?

I forgot that GFY does biz differently..............

as for calling me a bitch - well, yep.. you hit the nail on the head.. so why don't you

MetaMan

candyflip · 12-11-2004, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by PlatinumPimp
Funny though that somebody that was taking fights with HeatherHamptons to this board now says it is unprofessional to do this through the board and that they should e-mail her.

Yea rrrrrright

Things change when the shoe is on the other foot.

MetaMan · 12-11-2004, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by RuthXtremePay
LOL - not a thread jack, just seeing an opportunity where people are discussing about upsells in members areas to let them know what we can offer.

Isn't that how business is done? See an opportunity and go with it?

I forgot that GFY does biz differently..............

as for calling me a bitch - well, yep.. you hit the nail on the head.. so why don't you MetaMan

TAKE THAT SPAM OUTTA YOUR ASS AND SHOVE IT IN YOUR MOUTH

RuthXtremePay · 12-11-2004, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by MetaMan
TAKE THAT SPAM OUTTA YOUR ASS AND SHOVE IT IN YOUR MOUTH

rock on Meta Man.. gotta love it

MediumPimpin · 12-11-2004, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by PrivateIvy
This will be my only post on this matter.

I have never stolen content from any company nor individual.

Each week within my members area and the members areas of 12 other websites I run, I feature a "Girlfriend" of the week and yes, these are mostly sponsors I'm promoting to my members.

It is qualified traffic...the best you can get and my members area traffic converts on average around 1:34.

I promote other single model sites like Naughty Allie and others and also use programs like Twisted Cash and NSCash and do very well with them.

Programs that don't offer zipped content, I email to ask for zipped galleries and let them know that I'm using them in my members area as an upsell.

We all make money and I'm using content that has been provided to me by each program.

As for medium pimpin, I am not promoting their program at all. I did so in the past and will have to check to see if perhaps there is something old in there that I've overlooked ( I have over 200 girlfriend galleries I believe) The only one that comes to mind is a gallery of Crissy Moran which is currently linking to a 404 because of all the drama they had when she left them and I just haven't had time to pull it down.

Again, this will be my only post to this thread. If someone has an issue with how I conduct my business, it is more professional to bring it up in email.

Ivy

Well your Crissy Moran page that was going to who knows where is now going to The Twsited Cash site, so I know you are looking at it, this was about three days ago when I joined and looked, you have about 10 full sets of ours in your members area, also the thumbs are on your free tour.

Rictor · 12-11-2004, 12:51 PM

Using your exclusive Crissy content to promote another Crissy site? That has to hurt.

MediumPimpin · 12-11-2004, 12:53 PM

I am not allowed to comment on the Crissy issue

Platinumpimp · 12-11-2004, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by MediumPimpin
Well your Crissy Moran page that was going to who knows where is now going to The Twsited Cash site, so I know you are looking at it, this was about three days ago when I joined and looked, you have about 10 full sets of ours in your members area, also the thumbs are on your free tour.

go get 'em

Theo · 12-11-2004, 12:54 PM

what's the difference between what Ivy does and AVS? I see no difference.

mailman · 12-11-2004, 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by PlatinumPimp
Funny though that somebody that was taking fights with HeatherHamptons to this board now says it is unprofessional to do this through the board and that they should e-mail her.

Yea rrrrrright

are you talking to me? just a bit confuesd?

I never talked to that girl??

mailman · 12-11-2004, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
This will be my only post on this matter.

I have never stolen content from any company nor individual.

Each week within my members area and the members areas of 12 other websites I run, I feature a "Girlfriend" of the week and yes, these are mostly sponsors I'm promoting to my members.

It is qualified traffic...the best you can get and my members area traffic converts on average around 1:34.

I promote other single model sites like Naughty Allie and others and also use programs like Twisted Cash and NSCash and do very well with them.

Programs that don't offer zipped content, I email to ask for zipped galleries and let them know that I'm using them in my members area as an upsell.

We all make money and I'm using content that has been provided to me by each program.

As for medium pimpin, I am not promoting their program at all. I did so in the past and will have to check to see if perhaps there is something old in there that I've overlooked ( I have over 200 girlfriend galleries I believe) The only one that comes to mind is a gallery of Crissy Moran which is currently linking to a 404 because of all the drama they had when she left them and I just haven't had time to pull it down.

Again, this will be my only post to this thread. If someone has an issue with how I conduct my business, it is more professional to bring it up in email.

Ivy

Pretty weak responce...

As for not promoting MP? you got that right using old links is not gonna make you or us any money! but you dont got a problem using our content!

Johny Traffic · 12-11-2004, 01:02 PM

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are you talking to me? just a bit confuesd?

I think he was talking to Private Ivy

Platinumpimp · 12-11-2004, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by mailman
are you talking to me? just a bit confuesd?

I never talked to that girl??

I was giving an example of her bringing an issue to the boards with HeatherHamptons, and now she says it is unprofessional to do so. I am not confused any means

mailman · 12-11-2004, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by PlatinumPimp
I was giving an example of her bringing an issue to the boards with HeatherHamptons, and now she says it is unprofessional to do so. I am not confused any means

Ahhh okay...

and damn seems she had sometime to pull our content already!

she works fast for someone who does not promote MP and does not have time to fix the Crissy Moran links.

Rictor · 12-11-2004, 01:12 PM

The bad thing is, you bought two memberships to her site and put money in her pocket...haha!

mailman · 12-11-2004, 01:16 PM

Small price to pay Rictor.. memberships are already cancled.. not going to rebill to see our own content

12-11-2004, 11:43 AM	#52
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12-11-2004, 12:19 PM	#72
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	free content is for promoting the program who gave it to you - if you want to market it to your members as 'bonus content' that's fine - but sorry, when you're putting up galleries of 50+ images and multiple galleries from multiple sponsors your main intent isn't promoting the site the images came from - your main intent is picking up some free content for your members area, and that does piss off most programs who sink big bucks into their own content. this is a road well travelled during the heyday of AVS. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

12-11-2004, 12:24 PM	#73
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	Johny, Yes. infact that is the one requirment is that we can do this. And it is also the reason that we limit the number of photos and the number of sets. We do not fill our members area with other people stuff. We only have about 8 " Friends " listed at any given time. If they dont convert, we remove them. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

12-11-2004, 12:42 PM	#85
RuthXtremePay Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 471	LOL - not a thread jack, just seeing an opportunity where people are discussing about upsells in members areas to let them know what we can offer. Isn't that how business is done? See an opportunity and go with it? I forgot that GFY does biz differently.............. as for calling me a bitch - well, yep.. you hit the nail on the head.. so why don't you MetaMan __________________ XtremePay Let's do business - hit me up - ICQ #233854608 Promote the Web's Best Selling All Inclusive Sites! 50-70% Recurring! Click here now!!

12-11-2004, 12:53 PM	#91
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12-11-2004, 12:13 PM	#68
mailman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,311	http://www.privateivy.com/girlfriends.htm check the pop up.. I guess you could say shes using our content in the tour! Penny Flame Jade Hsu Alexa These 3 sets are confirmed to be ours.. looking for more still.

12-11-2004, 12:25 PM	#74
KMR Stitch I am cool Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 14,494	Drama.....mpa2 sucks anyways ;-) But MP rox I have had someone rebilling for 7 months now

12-11-2004, 12:31 PM	#76
PrivateIvy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,257	This will be my only post on this matter. I have never stolen content from any company nor individual. Each week within my members area and the members areas of 12 other websites I run, I feature a "Girlfriend" of the week and yes, these are mostly sponsors I'm promoting to my members. It is qualified traffic...the best you can get and my members area traffic converts on average around 1:34. I promote other single model sites like Naughty Allie and others and also use programs like Twisted Cash and NSCash and do very well with them. Programs that don't offer zipped content, I email to ask for zipped galleries and let them know that I'm using them in my members area as an upsell. We all make money and I'm using content that has been provided to me by each program. As for medium pimpin, I am not promoting their program at all. I did so in the past and will have to check to see if perhaps there is something old in there that I've overlooked ( I have over 200 girlfriend galleries I believe) The only one that comes to mind is a gallery of Crissy Moran which is currently linking to a 404 because of all the drama they had when she left them and I just haven't had time to pull it down. Again, this will be my only post to this thread. If someone has an issue with how I conduct my business, it is more professional to bring it up in email. Ivy

12-11-2004, 12:51 PM	#90
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	Using your exclusive Crissy content to promote another Crissy site? That has to hurt.

12-11-2004, 12:54 PM	#93
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	what's the difference between what Ivy does and AVS? I see no difference.

12-11-2004, 01:12 PM	#99
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	The bad thing is, you bought two memberships to her site and put money in her pocket...haha!

12-11-2004, 01:16 PM	#100
mailman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,311	Small price to pay Rictor.. memberships are already cancled.. not going to rebill to see our own content