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  • Rictor
    Old Timer
    • Jan 2001
    • 12208

    #1

    Is Private Ivy stealing your content?

    I hear she likes to do that.
  • Fake Nick
    So Fucking Banned
    • Jul 2004
    • 7708

    #2
    stop the hatin hater

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    • Jace
      FBOP Class Of 2013
      • Jan 2004
      • 35562

      #3
      do you have any proof, or are you just like jewcash slinging shit around

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      • Rictor
        Old Timer
        • Jan 2001
        • 12208

        #4
        "Help Me Out Content Issue Here


        Another site takes our free webmaster content, now we give full sets so you can make more TGP gallery's with them.

        This person adds them to her members area and says join now to see all, well I did and damn she has the full complete sets up, and the up sell banner is dead from the old mpa2 days.

        Now other content from other programs is in there also, but I see fresh links from this month in there, were ours are all dead.

        Is this common practice to use all the promo, as a reason to join their site?"

        -Medium Pimpin

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        • Rictor
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          • Jan 2001
          • 12208

          #5
          http://********************/showthread.php?t=17163

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          • MakaveIi
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            • Jan 2004
            • 176

            #6
            oh boy.

            Quite the read..



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            • Manowar
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              • Dec 2003
              • 71528

              #7
              Wasnt there an issue with one of her models a while back that claimed she never got her cash.

              I dont know the truth of either issues so i wont comment, Ivy posts here so im sure it will be resolved

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              • mailman
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                • Mar 2001
                • 6311

                #8
                edit: link aredy posted
                Last edited by mailman; 12-11-2004, 09:03 AM.

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                • Fake Nick
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 7708

                  #9
                  you kind of anwsered your own question , stop being so ignorant please



                  she obviously had that content their to generate sales, you changed your linking codes and she didn't , just inform her to change them and be done with it hater

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                  • Rictor
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                    • Jan 2001
                    • 12208

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Fake Nick
                    you kind of anwsered your own question , stop being so ignorant please



                    she obviously had that content their to generate sales, you changed your linking codes and she didn't , just inform her to change them and be done with it hater
                    So it's cool to use full sets of say 100 pics a set, multiple sets for content for your paysite as long as you throw up a banner? I could understand maybe a gallery or two of free content in your members area advertising another site.

                    Are there are a lot of people here that run paysites that are made up of content sets from other paysites and that use that content as an advertising point in their paysite tour?

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                    • r3ap3r
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                      • Jul 2004
                      • 3535

                      #11
                      Have you tried to contact her? You'll probably accomplish more by doing that instead of posting your beef on 2 boards
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                      • beemk
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Fake Nick
                        you kind of anwsered your own question , stop being so ignorant please



                        she obviously had that content their to generate sales, you changed your linking codes and she didn't , just inform her to change them and be done with it hater
                        yeah really, plus not to mention the people viewing it are qualified surfers. if shes fucking anyone over its her revshare affiliates.
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                        • Jace
                          FBOP Class Of 2013
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 35562

                          #13
                          i just sent her this thread icq, she will probably be here shortly

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                          • Fake Nick
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 7708

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Rictor
                            So it's cool to use full sets of say 100 pics a set, multiple sets for content for your paysite as long as you throw up a banner? I could understand maybe a gallery or two of free content in your members area advertising another site.


                            it the content is available through the affiliate admin as free content then yes,


                            if she took the content out your members area without asking then obviously no


                            make better rules for the free content if you dont like people using all of it ........

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                            • iwantchixx
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 12860

                              #15
                              ruh roh. i'm sure PI will change the link code to relfect the changes though. But I can't help but wonder, why should someone be using sponsor content to fill up their own site.

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                              • Rictor
                                Old Timer
                                • Jan 2001
                                • 12208

                                #16
                                Originally posted by beemk
                                yeah really, plus not to mention the people viewing it are qualified surfers. if shes fucking anyone over its her revshare affiliates.
                                Well, yah, the site sucks, but that's beside the point.

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                                • mailman
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                                  • Mar 2001
                                  • 6311

                                  #17
                                  I love how you get diffrent responces to issues on diffrent boards.. this is shaping up to be a typical GFY.

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                                  • Rictor
                                    Old Timer
                                    • Jan 2001
                                    • 12208

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Fake Nick
                                    it the content is available through the affiliate admin as free content then yes,


                                    if she took the content out your members area without asking then obviously no


                                    make better rules for the free content if you dont like people using all of it ........

                                    So the average webmaster has no common sense and needs you to hold their hand? Noted.

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                                    • MakaveIi
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                                      • Jan 2004
                                      • 176

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by iwantchixx
                                      ruh roh. i'm sure PI will change the link code to relfect the changes though. But I can't help but wonder, why should someone be using sponsor content to fill up their own site.
                                      I think that's the main issue here. PI is using ALL their content to fill up her members area and simply putting up one text link or banner link back to that sponsor.

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                                      • fris
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                                        • Aug 2002
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                                        #20
                                        on another note, i just took a big nasty shit, and the soap suds formed the virgin mary i am going to sell it on ebay for 20k
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                                        • lloyd
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                                          • May 2002
                                          • 798

                                          #21
                                          spend some time writing very very clear terms and conditions / AUP for the use of that content perhaps? an alternative would be to only allow access to that content by request or something, so you only give it to webmasters who you trust or you agree with how they say they will use it.. obviously neither is perfect but at least in this case it would be very clear that they are in the wrong

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                                          • kmanrox
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                                            • Oct 2001
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                                            #22
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                                            • Johny Traffic
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                                              • Apr 2003
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                                              #23
                                              I think that's the main issue here. PI is using ALL their content to fill up her members area and simply putting up one text link or banner link back to that sponsor.
                                              Agreed, doesnt say much for her own content either,

                                              Also theres another issue, if she has an affiliate program, what do her affiliates get from the upsell?


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                                              • r3ap3r
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by fris
                                                on another note, i just took a big nasty shit, and the soap suds formed the virgin mary i am going to sell it on ebay for 20k
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                                                • Spunky
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                                                  • Jun 2002
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                                                  #25

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                                                  • Jace
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                                                    • Jan 2004
                                                    • 35562

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Johny Traffic

                                                    Also theres another issue, if she has an affiliate program, what do her affiliates get from the upsell?
                                                    typically upsells inside the site aren't credited to affiliates...only things on the tour are credited...that is pretty standard

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                                                    • TheFrog
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                                                      #27

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                                                      • Johny Traffic
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                                                        #28
                                                        typically upsells inside the site aren't credited to affiliates...only things on the tour are credited...that is pretty standard
                                                        Its not standard, there are many programs out there that dont try and upsell, alot of programs try to keep members. I dont have any upsells neither do the sponsors I promote


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                                                        • Jace
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Johny Traffic
                                                          Its not standard, there are many programs out there that dont try and upsell, alot of programs try to keep members. I dont have any upsells neither do the sponsors I promote
                                                          oh, you changed the subject from crediting upsells to just having them in general

                                                          i don't have upsells, but I am pretty sure most of the single girl sites out there that do have them don't credit the affiliate for them...which is a standard thing to do...

                                                          if I had dvdsforabuck, how would I credit a ccbill affiliate with a dvd that was sold through my members area?

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                                                          • Jace
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                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                            • 35562

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Johny Traffic
                                                            Its not standard, there are many programs out there that dont try and upsell, alot of programs try to keep members. I dont have any upsells neither do the sponsors I promote
                                                            i didn't say upsells were standard, i just said crediting affiliates for upsells int he members area is not common

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                                                            • candyflip
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                                                              • Jul 2002
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                                                              #31
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                                                              • Manowar
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                                                                • Dec 2003
                                                                • 71528

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by r3ap3r
                                                                Have you tried to contact her? You'll probably accomplish more by doing that instead of posting your beef on 2 boards
                                                                its not his beef, its MP's and i can see why they posted it on their own board. Rictor just brought it over

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                                                                • SGS
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                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                  • 5176

                                                                  #33
                                                                  We have had a one or two people doing this with our content and as this is in clear breach of our terms and conditions we put a stop to it straight away.
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                                                                  • Johny Traffic
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                                                                    • Apr 2003
                                                                    • 5461

                                                                    #34
                                                                    if I had dvdsforabuck, how would I credit a ccbill affiliate with a dvd that was sold through my members area?
                                                                    Thats my point. You cant, sorry I didnt put it clear enough.

                                                                    I wouldnt promote a program that I know is filling up their site with others content in an atempt to upsell. If I get a sign up I like to know that the site doesnt want the member to join else where, I like them to try and keep them as a member of the site that I sent them to.
                                                                    Last edited by Johny Traffic; 12-11-2004, 09:25 AM.


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                                                                    • mailman
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by candyflip
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                                                                      Its never to late...







                                                                      As for the upsells.. most any other paysite will have a link to another site etc but when using contnet in solo teen sites for example... they will use a whole set pointing to another site where they did a lesbian scene together or just use a gallery where its a small sample of pics.. for someone who we would assume is smart enough to get the big picture, takes a WHOLE set of 50+ pictures that are linked to FULL SIZE images and we get a broken banner at the BOTTOM of it all?? like come on!

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                                                                      • Johny Traffic
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                                                                        • Apr 2003
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        for someone who we would assume is smart enough to get the big picture, takes a WHOLE set of 50+ pictures that are linked to FULL SIZE images and we get a broken banner at the BOTTOM of it all?? like come on!
                                                                        agreed doesnt seem likely to me


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                                                                        • Jace
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by mailman
                                                                          Its never to late...







                                                                          As for the upsells.. most any other paysite will have a link to another site etc but when using contnet in solo teen sites for example... they will use a whole set pointing to another site where they did a lesbian scene together or just use a gallery where its a small sample of pics.. for someone who we would assume is smart enough to get the big picture, takes a WHOLE set of 50+ pictures that are linked to FULL SIZE images and we get a broken banner at the BOTTOM of it all?? like come on!
                                                                          oh no, i agree...i think that is kind of fucked up...i never even thought about taking MP and throwing full sets into our paysite with just a banner, until now...but I still won't do that, cause I don't feel like it is the right thing to do...

                                                                          as for things like penis enlargers and dvds, those are great upsells, but I think it is rather silly to send someone in your paysite to ANOTHER paysite....kind of defeats the purpose of making money and it will piss a lot of affiliates off...

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                                                                          • pornguy
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                                                                            • Mar 2003
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            IN the members area of our site we have a " Friends " section. Inside there we have done something very similar to what PI has done except that we check to make sure that the links to the aff programs are working. With no more than 10 to 15 photos of each set, and no hard core stuff. Infact we prefer just topless with flash of pussy.

                                                                            That way we convert thes sales at 1 in 50 and 1 in 70 or so. These are people that have already signed up to our site, so they are willing to sign up to someone elses.

                                                                            But We DO NOT advertise the " Friends " on the tour pages.
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                                                                            • Johny Traffic
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              oh no, i agree...i think that is kind of fucked up...i never even thought about taking MP and throwing full sets into our paysite with just a banner, until now...but I still won't do that, cause I don't feel like it is the right thing to do...

                                                                              as for things like penis enlargers and dvds, those are great upsells, but I think it is rather silly to send someone in your paysite to ANOTHER paysite....kind of defeats the purpose of making money and it will piss a lot of affiliates off...
                                                                              Totally agree, its not a good advert for your site or program


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                                                                              • Johny Traffic
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                That way we convert thes sales at 1 in 50 and 1 in 70 or so. These are people that have already signed up to our site, so they are willing to sign up to someone elses.

                                                                                But We DO NOT advertise the " Friends " on the tour pages.
                                                                                Do your affiliate webmasters know? Im curious


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                                                                                • mailman
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                                                                                  • Mar 2001
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by JaceXXX
                                                                                  oh no, i agree...i think that is kind of fucked up...i never even thought about taking MP and throwing full sets into our paysite with just a banner, until now...but I still won't do that, cause I don't feel like it is the right thing to do...

                                                                                  as for things like penis enlargers and dvds, those are great upsells, but I think it is rather silly to send someone in your paysite to ANOTHER paysite....kind of defeats the purpose of making money and it will piss a lot of affiliates off...

                                                                                  understandable...

                                                                                  But we have always been good with our content we have some of the best so we dont kill it by resizing it and watermarking it and we have a ton of issues with stolen contnet and russians and now stupid things like this from people who again we would assume knows better...

                                                                                  Things like this are going to make us want to change and just fall into the shoadows of everyone eles with small shitty content big watermarks and stupid shit, its really a shame...

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                                                                                  • Sly
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                                                                                    • Sep 2004
                                                                                    • 31377

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by mailman
                                                                                    I love how you get diffrent responces to issues on diffrent boards.. this is shaping up to be a typical GFY.
                                                                                    You do realize that your MP thread is going to be extremely bias, while a thread here at GFY is going to be a bit less bias since nobody is in love with MP or Ivy.

                                                                                    This issue should have been taken up with Ivy privately. If you don't have a TOS that forbids actions like this, make one. If Ivy's members section is so horrible that she relies on sponsor content, thats her problem.
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                                                                                    • mailman
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by pornguy
                                                                                      IN the members area of our site we have a " Friends " section. Inside there we have done something very similar to what PI has done except that we check to make sure that the links to the aff programs are working. With no more than 10 to 15 photos of each set, and no hard core stuff. Infact we prefer just topless with flash of pussy.

                                                                                      But We DO NOT advertise the " Friends " on the tour pages.
                                                                                      THIS would be the way to do it if you were going to do it..

                                                                                      PI on the other hand is just using it for her advantage with tons of full sets! Sure her members and webmasters might be happy if the site rebills but we get the shit stick!

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                                                                                      • Johny Traffic
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                                                                                        • Apr 2003
                                                                                        • 5461

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        . If you don't have a TOS that forbids actions like this, make one
                                                                                        Isnt it standard that you can only use content to promote the site who owns the content? Id be suprised if this wasnt in there TOC's

                                                                                        Maybe the broken link back to the sponsor was a mistake? maybe they got all the other links right but this one was a mistake?

                                                                                        If I was the sponsor I would think that maybe it wasnt, but would have also first taken it up with Private Ivy
                                                                                        Last edited by Johny Traffic; 12-11-2004, 09:38 AM.


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                                                                                        • Mutt
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                                                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                                                          • 34431

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          you guys haven't been very clear about describing the specifics of this situation

                                                                                          how many of these large MP galleries are inside Ivy's members area?

                                                                                          and is MP content used on her tour?
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                                                                                          • Jace
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                                                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                                                            • 35562

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by mailman
                                                                                            THIS would be the way to do it if you were going to do it..

                                                                                            PI on the other hand is just using it for her advantage with tons of full sets! Sure her members and webmasters might be happy if the site rebills but we get the shit stick!
                                                                                            send her an invoice from http://www.pimpincontent.com/

                                                                                            hahahaha

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                                                                                            • Jace
                                                                                              FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                                                              • 35562

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              you all need to realize that MP didn't bring this drama here......someone else did
                                                                                              i saw this on the MP board yesterday, and i think they are in the process of dealing with it

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                                                                                              • beemk
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Rictor
                                                                                                So the average webmaster has no common sense and needs you to hold their hand? Noted.
                                                                                                you're an idiot. your saying someone that uses too much free content that was provided to them is the same as stealing content. and if its not in the rules its the programs fault.
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                                                                                                • Johny Traffic
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                                                                                                  • Apr 2003
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  you're an idiot. your saying someone that uses too much free content that was provided to them is the same as stealing content
                                                                                                  No hes saying someone using all his content WITHOUT a correct link back is the same.

                                                                                                  Using someone elses content for your members area without a link back is the same.

                                                                                                  But maybe she didnt know?


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                                                                                                  • beemk
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by mailman
                                                                                                    Its never to late...







                                                                                                    As for the upsells.. most any other paysite will have a link to another site etc but when using contnet in solo teen sites for example... they will use a whole set pointing to another site where they did a lesbian scene together or just use a gallery where its a small sample of pics.. for someone who we would assume is smart enough to get the big picture, takes a WHOLE set of 50+ pictures that are linked to FULL SIZE images and we get a broken banner at the BOTTOM of it all?? like come on!
                                                                                                    was the broken banner link her fault or yours because you changed your codes and she didnt update? im sure either way the link isnt broken on purpose. dont you think it would have been more professional to ask her to fix the link?
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