I don't give a fuck where you live or how high / low the ratio of gun-toting people to those without guns is;
People are the problem.
People who are born into pathetic families that shouldn't be having children in the first place because they don't have the mental, moral, and emotional capacity to raise a child; that's the problem. People living in such over-populated areas where their only "seemingly" viable option for survival is to kill their neighbor; that's the problem. Ton's of other examples of either nurturing or the environment or both that create bad people are too many to list, but that's the problem.
Violence will always be, and unfortunately, so will bad people.
Originally posted by Battuss You are totally right. Thats why i said guns are a fundamental problem in the US. Banning them now is quite useless. They never shouldve been allowed in the first place.
Yeah, you really know your American history, don't you?
You would be speaking German now if we didn't like guns so much.
Originally posted by psili And it seems like you are mentioning that same thing here, that it's not the gun / cocain that kills people, it's the misuse of it by the person handling it.
Well, cocaine has been proven to have harmful bodily effects. Guns on the other hand, don't. Comparing guns and drugs is like comparing windows to saran wrap.
Originally posted by baddog Yeah, you really know your American history, don't you?
You would be speaking German now if we didn't like guns so much.
Haha please niggah!
If there were no guns the German wouldn't be able to overtake us! I guess THAT didn't cross your mind right? Another example why guns are bad...
Second: your grandpa and/or your pa fought for our asses and I'm grateful for that. NOT you. So quite with "us" and "we"
Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom You've proven that you have no idea what you're talking about.
I have proven that I live in a part of the world where I don't have to be scared and paranoid all day that some crackass junky is trying to put a bullet through my ass anywhere.
Guns are illegal over here and we are safe. Period
Originally posted by Nembrionic I have proven that I live in a part of the world where I don't have to be scared and paranoid all day that some crackass junky is trying to put a bullet through my ass anywhere.
Guns are illegal over here and we are safe. Period
As pointed out before, people will get guns whether they are legal or illegal. Just because guns are illegal doesn't meam you aren't going to get shot.
Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom Well, cocaine has been proven to have harmful bodily effects. Guns on the other hand, don't. Comparing guns and drugs is like comparing windows to saran wrap.
I was just trying to illustrate that one thing was said and then something completely different by the same person.
On top of that, I was also trying to illustrate (as Battuss seemed to be doing in his original post) that it's a person's misuse of an object that kills and not the object that's misused.
And yes, comparing guns, an object specifically designed to project a bullet, to cocaine, a processed powder made from a naturally growing plant, is a dumb comparison in regard to the objects being compared. But not in regard to what kills and what doesn't.
Forensically a bullet or cocaine overdose makes a body die. What killed the body (what was the essential cause behind the death) was the person shooting the gun or doing the overdose. That's all I'm trying to say.
Originally posted by psili I totally agree. However, I'm just saying that the gun, bullet, bomb, split atom isn't what causes death in the sense that it's a person who uses such a device to cause death. Without the person, the object would just remain harmless. Without the object the person would still be able to kill.
Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom As pointed out before, people will get guns whether they are legal or illegal. Just because guns are illegal doesn't meam you aren't going to get shot.
Wrong, people dont walk around here with guns because its very hard to get them for 99,9% of the people. Stop being so ignorant, from all people i expected more from you.
Originally posted by psili I was just trying to illustrate that one thing was said and then something completely different by the same person.
On top of that, I was also trying to illustrate (as Battuss seemed to be doing in his original post) that it's a person's misuse of an object that kills and not the object that's misused.
And yes, comparing guns, an object specifically designed to project a bullet, to cocaine, a processed powder made from a naturally growing plant, is a dumb comparison in regard to the objects being compared. But not in regard to what kills and what doesn't.
Forensically a bullet or cocaine overdose makes a body die. What killed the body (what was the essential cause behind the death) was the person shooting the gun or doing the overdose. That's all I'm trying to say.
Well, I wasn't referring to you specifically, more to the people who use assbackwards examples to try and illustrate a point, when really they know that they have no argument, so they try and pull some wacky example or comparison out of their ass to try and hide the fact that their argument is weak.
Originally posted by Battuss Wrong, people dont walk around here with guns because its very hard to get them for 99,9% of the people. Stop being so ignorant, from all people i expected more from you.
The original post stated something along the lines of "if guns are illegal I don't have to worry about getting shot." Sure, in Holland where guns are illegal to own, they may not be as easy to come by, but that doesn't mean that you'll never get shot. It's like me crossing a busy road while in a crosswalk, and saying "Oh, I am in a crosswalk, I am invincible."
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