psili

I was just trying to illustrate that one thing was said and then something completely different by the same person.

On top of that, I was also trying to illustrate (as Battuss seemed to be doing in his original post) that it's a person's misuse of an object that kills and not the object that's misused.

And yes, comparing guns, an object specifically designed to project a bullet, to cocaine, a processed powder made from a naturally growing plant, is a dumb comparison in regard to the objects being compared. But not in regard to what kills and what doesn't.

Forensically a bullet or cocaine overdose makes a body die. What killed the body (what was the essential cause behind the death) was the person shooting the gun or doing the overdose. That's all I'm trying to say.

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Dirty F

Wrong, people dont walk around here with guns because its very hard to get them for 99,9% of the people. Stop being so ignorant, from all people i expected more from you.

Shoehorn!

Well, I wasn't referring to you specifically, more to the people who use assbackwards examples to try and illustrate a point, when really they know that they have no argument, so they try and pull some wacky example or comparison out of their ass to try and hide the fact that their argument is weak.

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Shoehorn!

The original post stated something along the lines of "if guns are illegal I don't have to worry about getting shot." Sure, in Holland where guns are illegal to own, they may not be as easy to come by, but that doesn't mean that you'll never get shot. It's like me crossing a busy road while in a crosswalk, and saying "Oh, I am in a crosswalk, I am invincible."

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word

bringer

when a kid in LA robs a store with a mac10 or two guys rob a bank with ak47s, weapons banned in california, it makes me wonder where and how they get these guns. california has very strick gun laws yet criminals still get them and use them to commit crimes. if you're country was on the border of a weakly guarded country such as mexico it would be full of illegal weapons among many other things your government would deem 'illegal'.

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Wolfy

wisconsin usa baby. I own a .40 S&W and a Grendel .380 - anybody ever heard of that one? :D


Gun control is using both hands.

When the founding fathers gave us the right to bare arms, they were not talking about rolling up your sleeves.

What do you do if you miss your ex? Buy a SCOPE!

Wolfy

And somemight be tempted to compare that to the crime stats in Texas, where you can carry a gun with very little foreplay to get your license. Or Mississippi, where you can keep your gun in yoru car as long as it's in plain view, and the only reason to register it is in case it gets stolen.

Shoehorn!

Fuck yeah.

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Nembrionic

I'm bound to say "only in America"

If guns we're outlawed there wouldn't BE any kids with guns robbing stores.

RefaStud

Exactly..

The only thing the assault weapon's ban did was stop new weapons of that type from being developed, However all manufacturers making the assault weapons prior to the ban could keep making them as long as they weren't sold under the same name. Also the 30 round magazine's could no longer be made, but again, if you made them prior to the ban you were still allowed to manufacture and sell them leagally. In other words all the legislation did, was make those who think gun control is a good idea sleep all warm and fuzzy at night, while I sleep with my arsenal of weapons next to my bed.

I have a concealed weapons permit, and tell ya, you can't get me to turn it over. EVER.

BV

I laugh at people that are scared of guns. Nothing to be scared of. Everyone should own one and know how to use it if need be! Use it only to protect yourself, your family and loved ones and your Country!

bringer

how are they getting guns that are already outlawed in this state? outlawing guns will only remove them from the hands of people who register them seeing as how the kid with the ak47 couldnt register it anyways since its illegal. people who register their guns usually arent criminals seeing as how felons cant own weapons, so a ban on all weapons in the us would lead to chaos where the criminals have the guns and everyone else has nothing.

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Drugs are outlawed in this country, yet I'm sure I can go procure a fold of coke from a 12-year-old in my upper-middle class, white neighborhood. What's this "outlawed" shit have to do with keeping guns off the street and crime down.

What society has grown accustomed to is being afraid of the tools people use in the wrong way: drugs, guns, bombs, religion -- none of those things kill people, yet it is politicians, special interest groups and the media that makes society fear those things.

People kill people. People kill themselves. Just stop spending billions on useless "war on this", "war on that", and try and spend it fostering better families, inner cities, education and I'll guarantee crime, gun use and drug use will go down.

Fuck it -- I'd bet that after a few generations in a society that has everything legal (drugs, guns, prostitution, etc), and the money is spent wisely from the regulation and taxation of that (cuz, well, the government likes to tax and control shit), it'd be a pretty nice place to live. That'll never happen though, because people who are afraid of inanimate, harmless objects deemed dangerous, are easier to control than happy people who can live around objects that may be dangerous if used improperly.

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Nembrionic

OMG..EXACTLY the problem. People don't 'ONLY' use it for that...if they would, this thread wouldn't be here!

Evil1

I like to go out in the woods and blow the shit out of old tv's, wood, whatever the fuck i can find.. It's theraputic. If you were hungry and all your food stamps were gone you could go out in the woods and blow the head off a turkey.

Seems like "OTHER USE"s

This entire thread is giving me the urge to buy a street sweeper.

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Wolfy

People use asprin to overdose, people use gasoline to set houses on fire, people use fucking clotheshangers to abort babies - you wanna outlaw and ban those too?



The real solution is to raise the penalties on criminals. I.E. If you rob a store with a gun, you go to prison for life, no parole. If you shoot someone in the process, you die.

Implement your system (ban guns) there will still be guns. Implement mine and I garaundamntee you crime will drop.,

Libertine

I live in a country where guns are banned.

When someone tried to mug me a while ago, he didn't have a gun so I was able to scare him off quite easily.
If I get into a fight in a bar or whatever, it'll be a fistfight, and nobody will get killed.
When someone "goes postal" here, he and his potato knife probably won't do huge damage.
When some drunk moron gets pissed off or freaks out here, he might punch someone.
Most common criminals aren't able to easily get guns here, and most of the ones who are able to get guns, are part of organized crime - and those tend to kill eachother instead of innocent.

Many of you pro-gunners say you want to "protect your family". Guess what... over here we aren't scared enough to even think about needing a weapon for that.
If you honestly believe you need a weapon for self-defense, there is something really, really wrong, either with you or with the place where you live



And you Americans seem rather uninformed about the entire second amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Think about what "a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" means for a moment.


Oh, and in case you believe people should have the right to have handguns... why not machine guns, or handgrenades, or rocket launchers, or heavy artillery?
Hey, I'm pretty sure a machine gun will do a much better job at protecting you and your family (you paranoid freak) than a normal handgun, and surely nobody would even think about fucking with someone who has heavy artillery in his yard...

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Libertine

Seriously, don't you see how fucking insane that is?

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Dirty F

No he doesnt, its sad.

Wolfy

I like that line of thought. Call me a fanatic, but i have a right and I'll vote or fight or protest to keep it.

Wolfy

Are you going ot be the one to fuck with him? And just say you did decide to - are you going to be the wone who comes out on top?

psili

A beautiful post -- especially the part about the second Amendment. I always thought it was retarded that people used this as the reason for legalizing guns. And I'm a USA loving, country loving, good old American boy. There are no easy solutions, but I agree with the other poster who said it's too late to ban guns.

I still think the only GOOD GUN CONTROL (and drug control and a myriad of other society ills) is better education and better spending to create an environment that makes people mentally, morally and emotionally stronger instead of making them afraid. I also lived in Boulder, CO and vehemently hate the the smell of Patchouli. Go figure.

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Libertine

People generally don't fuck with me either, and I sleep all warm and fuzzy at night without being so fucking scared I need an "arsenal of weapons" by the side of my bed

Besides, if I were a criminal and I wanted to fuck with him, I'd still do it. I'd just make sure to shoot him in the face first (I would be able to easily get a gun, if they weren't banned), before he even had the chance to know I was planning on fucking with him - just to make sure he wouldn't pull out some weapon while I was stealing his shit.

For some interesting stats, look up the homicide numbers for the Netherlands vs the US. Your guns sure don't provide a lot of safety

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Wolfy

Well, to be honest, I like my guns and I believe in my right to keep them. I'm not going to shoot anybody in the face with my .40, anyway.

However...

With nuts like you running around there, it's a good thing guns are banned in your land

Shoehorn!

Exactly.

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So what happens when this happens to your woman when you are not around?



mine packs a Beretta in her glove box and she has her own 12 guage Mossberg pump for the house (she had both of these before she met me) lol

so if she breaks down somewhere and some thugs come around they will have quite a surprize

Wolfy

fuck em all.

Kevsh

You just proved my point, thank you.

It's not the 85% of responsible gun owners that's the problem, it's that every once in awhile a irresponsible, stupid, ignorant, criminal ass gets his/her hands on one.

And for that reason alone they should be banned. Every day some crazy shit happens in the US because everyone and their sister is packing. In Canada we don't have that problem because almost NO ONE is packing, except the cops. (Then again, that's a scary thought initself)

Kevsh

with all due respect, you are a moron.

It's that paranoid, delusional belief you have that has led to Bush being back in the White House. You are being brainwashed by the NRA and gun manufacturers to believe you need a gun, but in 90% of America being robbed at gunpoint or having your home broken into is unlikely, at best.

It's not the people that register guns, it's how those same guns get into the hands of criminals that is the problem.

Ask yourself: How do you think criminals get guns? They get them one way or another from legit people who registered.

Wake up, get your head out of the sand and come back to earth. A gun ban would NOT lead to anarchy. It's all in your imagination fueled by big business gun manufacturers and the pathetic politicians they bankroll.

baddog

Wait a minute, did we just enter the Twilight Zone or something? Are you saying, "oh, I wish guns were never invented?"

BTW, people have been warring and killing, and conquering lands long before guns.

baddog

I have to ask, do you think that Americans are scared and paranoid all day that some crackass junky is trying to put a bullet through my ass somewhere? you do watch too much tv if you think a measureable percentage of us feel that way.

baddog

And you think we do? Fuck, if I was living in Europe, and thought all Americans were walking around carrying guns, I sure the hell would not come here.

Why would you risk certain death?

baddog

why? you think those kids got the guns legally?

baddog

A couple pages ago you were saying guns had no purpose but to hurt and kill other people.

Make up your mind.

baddog

WTF, do you people think is going on down here? You think we are all packing, don't you?

Well we are. Be on your best behavior.

baddog

Let me guess, Michael Moore is a god, and you have seem Bowling for Columbine 136 times.

You sir, are the moron.

Shoehorn!

I hate Michael Moore.

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It's funny you mention that, becuase most Europeans have no idea what its really like in this country. Sure, the ones who have spent time here know, but most foreigners think that America is like in the movies, everyone carrying guns and running around shooting everyone and stuff. I suppose that could be somewhat of an excuse for their ignorance on this topic.

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Theo

Guns are all good till you or some family member be the outcome of something that possible could have been prevented through gun control. In such case you'll start examining the other side.


I can accept the gun possession as an issue of human rights and liberties, but at the same time having in mind that every punkass idiot can harm me with no reason within a second scares me and puts me in further thoughts. My paranoia regarding the protection of my family and myself can turn me to the punkass idiot i'm afraid with the difference the victim this time would be someone else.

Dirty F

Baddog, please stop it. I respect everybody's opinion here and im happy to discuss it but youre making a total fool of yourself. Leave this thread dude, your replies are a total waste of cyberspace.

Youre a fucking idiot, pro gun or not has nothing to do with it. I knew this before but im telling you again, you act like a retard trying to say something in a discussion but too stupid to understand whats going on. I know its not your fault, people get born that way but thats why im telling you know, stfu , get an iq test and go hang with people with your brain capacity. Try another thread. Plenty of other idiots around here.

Dirty F

Hey Smutpeddler, what it all boils down to is that per 1000 or per million people you guys have way more gun deaths than we do, WAY more. Thats my whole point, thats why guns are bad.

I dont care how, murder, accident, whatever, more people get killed by guns in the US than a non gun country.

Thats the whole point isnt it?

Now i cant wait to see how youre gonna defend yourself from this

And baddog, fuck off, although its not an Einstein subject, its way above your brain level so please dont reply to my posts anymore.

Adultnet

very true, guns were made to kill people.

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Libertine

In most cases, muggers will just want a purse of whatever. When your woman gets mugged, she'll pull out a gun, and so will the muggers - one has to assume that they are prepared for people carrying. So she has about a 50% chance of surviving? When my woman gets mugged, she'll lose her purse.

There's a reason why almost every police department in the world advices people to cooperate with robbers/muggers, and it's not the safety of the robbers

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Im starting to think that people who live in gun countries simply dont understand we dont have to fear people carrying guns or robbers with guns.

I think if you take 1000 random robberies in the US, more people get killed than 1000 robberies in Holland for instance, why, because both parties carry guns.

So in the end guns once again are killing more people. Its less safe in a place where you and the robber have a gun than in a place where neither one has one.

Libertine

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...20#post5987120

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AnaNicole

i think gun control is good cause not everybody should have one!!!


And i'm in Panama!!!

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Dirty F

Yup, i already meant to bring that up.

Fucking idiots pulled a gun blah blah SO I PULLED MINE AS WELL.

There is something so wrong in that part of the world and they just refuse to see it.