I think the first person who can beat it, should get 10 thousand dollars.

Needs modification for you:winkwink:

We at Mansion Productions are focusing more on making MPA3 and MAS the best products with the best support in its genre rather than joining in on biased discussions on the boards these days.

But thanks Raffi for the good words - it is our clients that finally determine how good we are in their feedback of our products.

2004 has been an interesting year, to say the least, for Mansion Productions - going from one extreme (rough first 6 months with complete company restructure and refining) to a superb last 5-6 months with better sales than ever.

Thanks for all your support.

I forsee that 2005 will be the year that we all get along and make love and not war... :Graucho

:winkwink: :thumbsup

Perhaps I'm not understanding you correctly, but if I'm sending hits to a NATS program with my campaign/tracking code, it would be very easy for me to see that the hits are not being counted.

Besides the fact that NATS is light years ahead of any version of MPA I've seen when it comes to stats reporting, ease of obtaining promo items.

Even if you can't trust the software, you CAN trust Duke :) Send him your traffic. www.dukedollars.com

"I will never support a program that supports a company scamming webmasters
fuck if its MPA 2, 3, 4 or 23

That product is dead. "

Just to clarify they did.

MPA just got busted for pushing their product to the program owners, but affiliates finding out about the built in shave feature

Those guys have a lot of friends, so it seems like he's Christ come down off the cross now for removing fetures that are designed to fuck me over

big thanks for that, yeah, you rock

As far as ANY software goes, I dont trust it implicity. Where there is a will, there's a way. But if the ratios/sales suck, I dont care what you run your program with - I cant afford to keep pushing hits to you.

So greedy fucks will shave hard and lose accounts that watch the traffic, while many dumbasses will pump in the hits blindly, so they'll still make cash

shit, I bet that one program that got busted TWICE still gets more traffic coming in than many other programs

if 5 people tried 5 people would lose thier software liscense

Yup, definitely agree with everything you said. :thumbsup

Exactly my point. Mansion gave themselves that reputation, no one else is responsible for it.

We personally have nothing against NATS... but have invested a lot of time and money into what is its own living and breathing version of MPA2. The first thing we did is pay to have the shave feature taken out, we show our stats to the public via www.mensniche.com/topten.php , paid for customizations such as email notifications on sales, email notifications at end of day on number of sales... we pride ourselves on offering the best webmaster support in the business, which we do.

We would never shave and never have... so ur post again tarnish's everyone under the same brush.

I have no reason to say this but its the truth MPA2 as came a long way, a very long way. Support was shit, things was not working and it was a fucking joke, but now we are happy with the software. Always looking to expand and NATS we are looking into as well... Don't promote your software by slagging off another persons... is my view.

Hell, I would want all of them to try. LOL :1orglaugh

I think it has something to do with supply and demand

Personally, Ive noticed a big improvement in my stats. Having promoted CoHF for over four years, I stopped sending a lot of traffic when you started using MPA2. In the last week, I've made
3 sales off 307 uniques. As soon as you drop the popups from the revshare program, I'll send more.

garce hit me up on ICQ 3427575


the convertions have been improved since we changed over and they were allready very good

Shaving is part of this industry now get over with it

Reading the tread from the top, it was not me who first brought up the fact of the shave feature Mansion once had. It's a very well known thing and it broke before NATS was even being openly marketed.

I did not program a shave feature into MPA2. Mansion did. It is their fault their software has a shitty reputation and lacks trust with affiliates, not ours.

When my product gets thown into the ring, I have to step in and speak on it. And yes, if someone asks me the differences between our product and Mansion's one of the things I mention is the reputation they each have with affiliates. It's not something to just sweep under the rug. It was a tool provided to programs (whether you used it or not) to defraud them. This is what gives MPA the reputation it has. We do not give them the reputation. We do not make things up about them. We do not lie to potential customers about pricing of their product.

It is Mansion who gave MPA a shitty name. I'm sorry you feel stuck on a software with such a bad rep. We're here anytime you might want to migrate to something else. We've done it a number of times now, and every move has been seamless.

Also, I'm sorry to hear you had to pay them to have the software send signup confirmation emails.

No shaving here ... check it out

http://www.kidlingtoncameraclub.co.u.../shaving-2.jpg

Interesting viewpoint.

I think other have already echoed the sentiment that i have about mpa, They cheated and lied, i dont trust them..

That being said nats and mpa3 are bth shaveable..

geo redirects of rotating ip blocks

You my friend are wrong!

Shaving is part of the shady companies you do biz with in this industry!

if you are not smart enough to ask around about peoples oppinions of companies then thats your fault

I always asked people about companies even the BIG ones I asked other webmasters

1 do you see accurate traffic reporting
2 what kind of trafic do you send them
3 do you get ratios you would expect?
4 do you get your checks
5 can you cash your checks

This is the Internet there is no brick and morter shop to go look at in most cases.

You should not just except that you are getting shaved you should seek out companies that have long standing relationships with lots of webmasters. Seek out companies that have somthing unique to sell, seek out someone who you know is going to appretiate your traffic and not just think of you as another account ID.

come talk to me!


Tanker

That my friend would cause issues with the NATS backend.

Well said Tanker.

Of course, depends on a few factors. If you redirected it off to a totally random site that had nothing to do with anything it would not.

You could also change your DNS every tuesday. There ARE ways. Most of them will eventually be seen by some reseller. And I've already stated our policy should we find out.

how so, the hits are redirected before they ever hit nats

exactly... Dont be so sure, i have seen it already... but no way of proving it without being inside..

what happens if NATS gets sold like porngraph did?

See what we have to Offer:
mAffiliate
:thumbsup

First, there is no indication at all that NATS has any chance of being sold. If it were, nothing will happen. Every NATS client has the ability and the premission to completely lock us out of their system. Everything runs on their server, it is theirs.

The Porngraph incident was disgusting and a huge disappointment. It was a non-profitable model and it was sold. What was done with it after it was sold still makes me sick to this day. I am very unhappy with what was done with it. It was very unfortunate.

see....

unfortunately you dont get a second chance to make a first impression.

if they could do this, then how could you prevent them from cheating affilliates?

Very interesting thread, and rare for GFY.

I'd like to point out that in the mainstream area (non-adult/casino) shaving occurs ALL THE TIME. In fact, the largest affiliate networks bank on it because they know their publishers won't pick up on it. One of them being cj.com.

I was sending some of their advertisers mortgage leads. Now I had a script that would automatically send a lead I got from one of my search engine sites directly into their signup form. The stats were fucking horrible. It would also fluctuate like mad, as if someone on cj.com's side was sitting there manually at different times during the day or week adjusting it themselves. In fact, I would have more weekend accepted leads than any other weekday, and the annoying part was that the weekends were slow signup days.

I would get 200 accepted leads on monday, whereas my stats would show over 350. After a while I thought it was just my site, and that maybe the leads were shitty, so I emailed them, and they told me a lot of the lead's phone numbers didn't match the addresses or names, which is understandable, so I took the leads to a private database, and sure enough, what do you know, I got credit for about 340 or so of the 350 leads that cj.com only accepted 200 of. Motherfuckers ripped me off for well over $30,000 because of their inhouse shaving feature.

Mainstream webmasters really are in awe of the adult webmaster. Mostly because we are ahead of everyone in terms of marketing tactics and methods. The fact that we are constantly on top of our shit doesn't hurt too. So again, thanks for pointing this one out, because I was debating on using MPA3 for my new mainstream affiliate site.

Yes, it can be done with any system. But NATS is promoted as a 100% shave free software.
That's why I find it odd that you have put so much effort into stopping more sofisticated ways of shaving and didn't stop the least sofisticated one.

I should undermark my former comment a bit...

I said....
"I will never support a program that supports a company scamming webmasters
fuck if its MPA 2, 3, 4 or 23

That product is dead."

My thoughts behind that were:
- Why support a program that is actively supporting a convicted scammer by making BOTH of them money where there are tons of other programs out there that in fact can be trusted in a certain way. I've talked to people involved in NATS privately and heard very interesting things that make me signup at ANY program running on nats without worrying to be fucked in the ass.

I don't say that every program running on MPA is trying to fuck me in the ass... both raffi and darren - who run programs on mpa - do have their points which I accept and understand (even though I would love to see them switch). I promised Raffi on our cab ride to the airport already: The day you move off MPA I will signup and send both: traffic and signups.
Also Darrens stuff kicks ass. Mensniche is truely top of its league. Congrats to that :thumbsup

Exactly.

Many sponsors will publicly feign shock that such a feature was offered - but privately kick themselves for not knowing sooner...

Perhaps Mansion made an unfortunate choice regarding feature set inclusion, which they have remedied, and are now paying the price for in forums such as this, but the folks who run the show are outstanding (and trustworthy) people who offer cutting edge products.

As a side note, most of the criticisim seems to be coming from competitors

:2 cents:

Thank you!

:glugglug

Bam.

I really like Oystein and the Mansion crew, and I really never had many problems with the support department. MPA2 and MPA3 are both great pieces of software, BUT once I switched from CCBill to MPA2 I lost alot of traffic and in turn sales because many of my webmasters were upset that we started using MPA2.

We have been around for almost 7 years now, and even though all the webmasters that have worked with us before know we are honest and above board, some of them started to shy away from using the MPA program we had. I had no choice but to run MPA and CCBill together which defeats the purpose of using it.

We have now switched to NATS and many of the features that I wanted in MPA that I would have had to pay extra for, are all included standard in NATS.

The bottom line to me was credibility. MPA worked fine, but the stigma that is carried with it, and me having to reassure my affiliates that we were NOT shaving them was more than I wanted to deal with. We have been getting alot better response from our affiliates, and we now can offer them alot more features for the same money.

:1orglaugh Mind if I use that?

Trustworthy? wtf , did you totally miss the point where they included the ability to defraud us? That qualifies as trustworthy? How does empowering program owners with the means to rip me off make someone trustworthy?

Tell me he's a great guy, he buys you drinks, he makes you tons of money - I can stomach that. But dont piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

looks like a base64 encoded string:
10002:3:

if possible, you could still modify it... not 100% secure.