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DarkJedi 09-15-2001 10:33 AM

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like 98% in exUSSR think like me and glad what this happenind at least
don't believe that fuck head. everybody here is outraged about these attacks.
It's just 1 little low-life-scum-bag that says it.

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Hot Tropical Babes 09-15-2001 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by LisaMarie:

you saw that pic that Marcus posted, huh?
HAHAHA


That pic could be a new niche! LOL
Bobbin Laddin

LisaMarie 09-15-2001 11:16 AM

Thanks Jedi!
and good one Tropical Babe!

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I think I know why he's so pissed now

now that Marcus has shown me the light, I think I owe Tolik an apology

I mean, if you're going to do someone infamous and ugly, you mide as well get the credit for it, right?

therefore, I'm sorry Tolik
they SHOULDN'T have cut off your head

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eRock 09-15-2001 11:47 AM

Maybe YOU should!
Where's the mahjority of your money coming from!?
Quote:

Originally posted by tolik:
you better think before you be write something next time....




baddog 09-15-2001 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sjayne:
There is genocide going on in Africa and we do nothing. Of course we are under no obligation to help - other than a moral obligation.
And if we do something then we are deserving being attacked by terrorists I guess


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eRock 09-15-2001 12:42 PM

So, you're saying we deserved this then!? What a piece of shit!
Quote:

Originally posted by Sjayne:
The fact of the matter is that over the years some very bad things have been done in our name around the world. Most of them are things that the majority of American don't even know took place.

We have caused the deaths of large populations of innocent people. Not always through bombing and outright war but by indirect but higly vidible (in those countries but not ours) means.

An example is the backing of dictaorships in Chillie. If you don't know what happened there then you need to read up on history. It has been in the news again over the last year because the British arrested the dictator that both of our governments once supported. We are talking people being tortured and killed in massive numbers.

Think about the Russians in relation to what is going on at the moment. A LOT of their people died fighting in war against Afghanistan and a lot of the time they died at the end of weapons that the United States supplied to their enemy.

Think about all those millions of people in countries that have been victims of terrible disasters in huge numbers that frankly the American public couldn't care less about.

There is genocide going on in Africa and we do nothing. Of course we are under no obligation to help - other than a moral obligation. However, I can understand why these people are wondering why their lives are worth less than American lives.

I think of those poor women that are under the rule of the Taliban that no one here gave a crap about. They are stoned in the street if they show too much skin or if they laugh. They didn't alwys live like that. They used to go to school and have right. They woke up one moring to a new government and their country had changed from a relativly liberal Muslim society to one where they could be killed on the spot for disenting. We as Americans are suppose to care about things like that but we did not demand that any action be taken to help these people. Would it have helped if they were white and European? Well the fact of the matter is again that that government was put in place with OUR gun and OUR backing. Top that off with the fact that the leader of the opppsition in Afghanistan (aka the good guy) was confirmed dead yesterday and these women must feel they have no hope. That is of course if they know it happened because TV is BANNED. So is the internet. So your tax dollars went to putting those women in hell and most of you (you being general) couldn't honestly care less. If you do why haven't you voiced your disgust to your government? Can you blame these trapped people from thinking their lives are seen as less important than those of Americans?

So..while I think ANYONE that would suggest that Americans deserved to die is evil..I also think that when things have calmed down a bit we all owe it to those that died to read the history of what our government has done around the world. To understand why people sometimes see our government as the bad guy. We do so much good in the world but as you know one bad deed over powers the good ones.


baddog 09-15-2001 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Sjayne:
There is genocide going on in Africa and we do nothing. . . .
I think of those poor women that are under the rule of the Taliban that no one here gave a crap about.

well that was weird, let me try this again.

So sjayne, you are saying we are damned if we do, and damned if we do not.

If we do something about genocide in Africa we are power hungry warmongers that deserve to be attacked by terrorists for putting our noses in other peoples business. If we do nothing, it is because we do not care or their lives have little value to us. We can do nothing right it seems.

However, I am glad all these anti-American webmasters are voiving their opinions, because now I know who to do business with and who not to do business with.

They hate USA but love our dollars. Well fuck that shit. I am making a list of these people available to anyone who requests it, or wants to add to it. If you have traffic trades with them, stop. If they have TGPs do not submit, if you have one that they submit to, deny it. If you host them or they host you, discontinue. You are only supporting terrorists when you do business with these assholes.

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tolik 09-15-2001 12:58 PM

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Amputate Your Head 09-15-2001 01:00 PM

Tolik, if you're trying to make some kind of point... I guarantee it's being lost on 99% of us here. I can't even pretend to be able to read that.

Sjayne 09-15-2001 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by eRock:
So, you're saying we deserved this then!? What a piece of shit!

Uh NO! And don't you DARE suggest I am saying that! For god's sake have you read anything I have written in other posts. Try the one called 'Please take a moment to read what I did today' and then go search out the one where I say that my stepdaughter has a friend who was injured and another one that is missing.

Top that all off with the fact that *I* am american. Whay the hell would I say we deserved it.

I am saying that it is our duty to know what our government is doing around the world in our name. Fact is most of us don't and sometimes they are doing very bad things. Other times they are doing very good things.

No nation is perfect and we are no exception and as we are a gov't for the people and by the people we need react when our government does do things - like back murderous dicators and turn a blind eye to genocide (and I am not making that up..it really is genocide) in non white countries.

I am proud to be an American..I would be even more proud if out of all this mess the American people took greater concern and informed themselves on our nation's forgien policy and actually voiced their opinions when they disagree with it.

I am sorry if this all too raw for you to understand what I am saying. I can understand that but don't even start to think I am in any - ANY - way saying we deserve this. I just think we need to wake up and realise there is a WHOLE world out there.



DarkJedi 09-15-2001 01:08 PM

Oh come on ! Will you ppl stop wrighting these essays ? Write something plain, like: Lets kill all arabs or lets kill all terrorists or lets not kill innocent people or ARMAGEDDON - like that. All these long threads make my eyes hurt http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

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tolik 09-15-2001 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
Tolik, if you're trying to make some kind of point... I guarantee it's being lost on 99% of us here. I can't even pretend to be able to read that.

last my post not for english-speaking webmasters....

as i see if i have a other viewpoint to something, and my viewpoint is other then americans then i bad?

usa have a democraty? no

americans can only make flame wars at forums as i see....



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Sjayne 09-15-2001 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog:
However, I am glad all these anti-American webmasters are voiving their opinions, because now I know who to do business with and who not to do business with.

They hate USA but love our dollars. Well fuck that shit. I am making a list of these people available to anyone who requests it, or wants to add to it. If you have traffic trades with them, stop. If they have TGPs do not submit, if you have one that they submit to, deny it. If you host them or they host you, discontinue. You are only supporting terrorists when you do business with these assholes.



I am dearly hoping that isn't aimed at me. I honestly don't how I could at all be considered anti-American.

Let me say this clearly - WE DID NOT DESRVE THIS. THE TERRORISTS (note terrorists..not all Arabs) THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH THIS DESERVE TO BE KILLED IN EXTREMELY PAINFUL WAYS.

However, if we as a nation do not sit down and discuss our role in the world it will happen again. I can not blindly agree with everything MY government does because not all of it is right. However - I will stand by it with what it decides to at the moment. If the nukes come out I will pull back that unconditional support because frankly I vistited the Smithsonian when the Enola Gay was on display (not sure if it still is) and that ws gut wretching.

In short: Do NOT! Call me Anti American. I am American and I belive in free speach. And what I am saying is a zillion times removed from those that have posted here saying we deserve it.

Amputate Your Head 09-15-2001 01:15 PM

tolik, dude, I didn't say your viewpoint wasn't worth expressing. Express away man... but how is anyone HERE supposed to either agree or disagree if they can't even read it? That's all.

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baddog 09-15-2001 01:24 PM

sjayne,
no, I was not saying you were un-american, I was asking you what are we supposed to do. If we get involved in problems in other lands then we are the bad guy, and if we do not we are the bad guy. We can not win.

The second part of my post was directed towards assholes like tolik and [email protected] and the others that I have been keeping track of.

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tolik 09-15-2001 01:27 PM

AYH - it been just a letter to other peoples here who know a russian... it not my viewpoint...

you can find my viewpoint at top of page
if you wish ofcource

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Rocky 09-15-2001 01:28 PM

sometimes i can't believe what people write

this is not about what one country or another has done in the past

it's about the staggering amount of lives lost due to a terrorist attack

the significance of the tragedy has nothing to do with it being waged against Americans, but rather the magnitude of the destruction and loss of innocent lives

and how anyone can start criticizing a country that is grieving makes me sick

Sjayne 09-15-2001 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rocky:
sometimes i can't believe what people write

this is not about what one country or another has done in the past

it's about the staggering amount of lives lost due to a terrorist attack

the significance of the tragedy has nothing to do with it being waged against Americans, but rather the magnitude of the destruction and loss of innocent lives

and how anyone can start criticizing a country that is grieving makes me sick


Rocky you are OF COURSE right. I just don't want it to happen again - to ANY country.

I don't want to get bombed here in London. When we attacked Libya we used UK bases and the Brits got attacked because of that. Those bases will likely be used again and I am not afraid to admit it scares the shit out of me. I don't want to die.

My mother in law was alive and lived here when London got bombed in WW2 and she is having shell shock moments this week. Serious stuff. She woke up screaming the other night and that would scare the crap out of anyone.

Just need to know that when we bomb (and we will) all of the nations on our side and who will fight next to our boys are terrified.

As to what we should do - well how about just keeping informed as a society. I know we can't be everywhere but on the African genocide issue - if you have any grandparents that lived in Germany in WW2 and were Jewish (I do in my family..tho I am not Jewish..long story) ask them if it was too big a risk?

LisaMarie 09-15-2001 01:41 PM

thank you Rocky! (my Canadian friend)

that's exactly what this is about!
loss of lives and tragedy!
not who deserved and who didn't!

everyone who thinks we deserved it should look in their OWN backyard!
and mind their own business,
instead of making rude comments!

just imagine how a victim's family would feel if they came here and saw "you deserved it"?

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FADE19 09-15-2001 01:44 PM

Sounds to me like this guy KNOWS something..We should all probably report him to the FBI...
Quote:

Originally posted by tolik:

and this not a end...

usa be attaced by terrorists in future much more time if americans start bomb Afganistan and other asians countryes...



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Speedy26 09-15-2001 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tolik:
nogi govorish...
a po aske popizdet ssish...
pizdet ne meshki taskat...


a cucumber poped out of your pooper?



LisaMarie 09-15-2001 01:47 PM

lmao

Rocky 09-15-2001 01:51 PM

big hugs and kisses to you LisaMarie
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Sjayne i know what you mean, i'm a peaceful person or what others would call a "bleeding heart liberal" or "tree hugger" myself

but the world has been forever changed

the terrorists have gone unchallenged long enough and it is time to start purging this sickness from our planet

it will be a world war, but this time i think it will be the world and it's countries fighting united against the terrorists

if we don't act now, these attacks will only continue and escalate

and everyone is a target

Balljoints 09-15-2001 07:32 PM

How are some people forgetting to point out that it wasn't just the USA that was involved in many of these latest conflicts (desert storm, bosnia etc), it was a little thing called the UN(United Nations for those that don't know). Yes the USA does provide a majority of the military might to the UN, buy there are MANY countries that are part of it and also sent troops and supplies. Canada, UK, Germany, RUSSIA(you need some history lessons tolik) and more. The USA just gets the criticism from these dipshit assholes that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground!

Balljoints

Sjayne 09-15-2001 08:24 PM

Very good point Balljoints. I think that is part of the reason there is so much emotion from non-us countries. They fight with us too and often in larger numbers then us (Bosnia..just ask the Brits and the French) and don't ever get a thank you from the people of the US. Instead they are told that it is only the US that comes to the rescue of the world.

Also (and this is not anti American so please don't read it that way..its just the truth you might not know) the United States has not paid its UN dues in years. We owe amazing amounts of money in dues. Yet tiny little countries that can hardly afford it pay their dues.

I know that the USA does a lot of the fighting but so does the UK, France, Canada and many other countries and they pay their dues. We almost lost our security council vote last year because we were under threat of some sort (I forget the exact method of the threat) action taken by the other countries on the the panel because we owe so much money.

Again, not anti-American..just something to help you understand why some of the other countries has tainted views.

[This message has been edited by Sjayne (edited 09-15-2001).]

LisaMarie 09-16-2001 09:15 AM

wow! I didn't know anything about these dues that we're behind on

thanks Sarah!

I can KIND OF see where they're coming from I suppose, but it's still not about grudges that they have against us, etc.
it's about human lives that were lost
and the fact that NO ONE is safe!

if WE'RE not safe, NOBODY is!

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if they're going to condemn our country and say we "deserve it" they better have a much better reason than past due UN dues or because of something our government did in the PAST

don't you agree?

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don't get me wrong...I'm not saying that you implied that, I'm just saying that's not a good enough reason to hate us, right?

Sjayne 09-16-2001 09:38 AM

Yes I agree. If anyone says this was deserved they are wrong and then they deserve a backlash.

However, some people are being attacked for just expressing any opinion that isn't 100% in support of the US. You can love your brother but still get mad at him.

I doubt those that are being horrid about the deaths even care about things like UN dues..they are just being arse holes (as the Brits spell it).

Just think amongst some members of the board (not you and not the letter you shared) are basiclly going after people on a witch hunt because they are trying to show people why the world sometimes gets frustrated with us. The world is not always wrong..just as the US is not always right..and not always wrong. We have some members of this board who are about to basiclly lose their livelyhoods because they didn't stay 100% in line with military action and tried to express a world view.

Go after evil bastards (as you are) but others need to think twice about persecuting others for having opinions. Freedom of expression is a beautiful thing.

LisaMarie 09-16-2001 10:09 AM

yep, that's true

especially the people who are all for killing all Arabs (I'm totally in disagreement with that)

I believe in "an eye for an eye"
but not BODIES FOR BODIES

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the real magoo 09-30-2001 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sjayne:
The fact of the matter is that over the years some very bad things have been done in our name around the world. Most of them are things that the majority of American don't even know took place.

We have caused the deaths of large populations of innocent people. Not always through bombing and outright war but by indirect but higly vidible (in those countries but not ours) means.

An example is the backing of dictaorships in Chillie. If you don't know what happened there then you need to read up on history. It has been in the news again over the last year because the British arrested the dictator that both of our governments once supported. We are talking people being tortured and killed in massive numbers.

Think about the Russians in relation to what is going on at the moment. A LOT of their people died fighting in war against Afghanistan and a lot of the time they died at the end of weapons that the United States supplied to their enemy.

Think about all those millions of people in countries that have been victims of terrible disasters in huge numbers that frankly the American public couldn't care less about.

There is genocide going on in Africa and we do nothing. Of course we are under no obligation to help - other than a moral obligation. However, I can understand why these people are wondering why their lives are worth less than American lives.

I think of those poor women that are under the rule of the Taliban that no one here gave a crap about. They are stoned in the street if they show too much skin or if they laugh. They didn't alwys live like that. They used to go to school and have right. They woke up one moring to a new government and their country had changed from a relativly liberal Muslim society to one where they could be killed on the spot for disenting. We as Americans are suppose to care about things like that but we did not demand that any action be taken to help these people. Would it have helped if they were white and European? Well the fact of the matter is again that that government was put in place with OUR gun and OUR backing. Top that off with the fact that the leader of the opppsition in Afghanistan (aka the good guy) was confirmed dead yesterday and these women must feel they have no hope. That is of course if they know it happened because TV is BANNED. So is the internet. So your tax dollars went to putting those women in hell and most of you (you being general) couldn't honestly care less. If you do why haven't you voiced your disgust to your government? Can you blame these trapped people from thinking their lives are seen as less important than those of Americans?

So..while I think ANYONE that would suggest that Americans deserved to die is evil..I also think that when things have calmed down a bit we all owe it to those that died to read the history of what our government has done around the world. To understand why people sometimes see our government as the bad guy. We do so much good in the world but as you know one bad deed over powers the good ones.



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