Cavecreek hosting, I wonder if this is legal ??? - GoFuckYourself.com

Jonathan Quarkschowski · 11-28-2004, 12:10 AM

Friend of mine received a payment reminder from cavecreek hosting containing the following line, wonder if this is legal ??

"If you are a CCBill customer, your CCBill account will also be placed on hold until your Cavecreek Web Hosting account is paid in full. CCBill funds will not be released until full payment is received for your Cavecreek Web Hosting account. CCBill funds cannot be used to pay the balance on your Cavecreek Web Hosting account."

Steen2 · 11-28-2004, 12:12 AM

They are the same company, right?

ONS · 11-28-2004, 12:17 AM

Sounds fair and they are the same company so you dont pay then you dont play. They can sure has hell withold payment from the CCBill side and if either side took it to court the money would get tied up even longer.

So what could be illegal about them asking to be paid what they are owed?

I think they should keep all your money forever so you will crawl in a corner and die of depression of that $5 you lost!!

Veterans Day · 11-28-2004, 12:22 AM

Idiot, now please go BOOOOOOOOMMMMMM

czarina · 11-28-2004, 12:33 AM

definitely legal... if you read their fine print, you may even find it in the contract you signed.

Steen2 · 11-28-2004, 12:35 AM

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Originally posted by czarina
definitely legal... if you read their fine print, you may even find it in the contract you signed.

Lol, who reads the contracts they sign?

beemk · 11-28-2004, 12:36 AM

yeah its probably in the contract

Bob Saget · 11-28-2004, 12:37 AM

stop wining

REGRET · 11-28-2004, 01:03 AM

Wow i can get the newbie special 7 1/2 gigs transfer for $50.00 at cavecreek.

Pornwolf · 11-28-2004, 01:04 AM

I usually change contracts on the spot before I sign them. Surprisingly the people who hand me the contract are the ones who rarely check them when they should.

hakkrdan · 11-28-2004, 01:14 AM

What's the general consensus of using Cavecreek as a hosting provider? Has anyone ever dealt with them personally? Please spam me with some feedback.

Thanks!
-dant

chodadog · 11-28-2004, 02:39 AM

That seems fair enough to me, although i don't get why the bill can't be paid with the CCBill funds.

MonsterCock · 11-28-2004, 02:40 AM

Get the fuck out of here you loser.

Fake Nick · 11-28-2004, 02:41 AM

all though I think the topic starter is a troll, it is not fair at all

why cant you pay with you money due with ccbill ? if they cross the business like that , it should be crossed in both their and your advantage ,

solonline · 11-28-2004, 04:17 AM

We were going to use cavecreek for some of our hosting, but seeing as we use ccbill as biller, decided best not to place all eggs in same basket. Nothing against CCBILL or Cavecreek
CCBILL r great and the package offerd by Cavecreek was good.
But still in todays climate thought it best to keep it seperate.

We still in the market though for top managed dedicated hosting ?
Any takers --

Fake Nick · 11-28-2004, 04:21 AM

imagine ccbill going bankrupt, and they still owe you like $10k

your hosting bill with cavecreek is something like $2k with this policy you would be required to pay that $2k while maybe never getting this $10k from them ! and thats just wrong !!!!!!!!!!

that policy is BULLSHIT !!!

the Shemp · 11-28-2004, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jonathan Quarkschowski
Friend of mine received a payment reminder from cavecreek hosting containing the following line, wonder if this is legal ??

"If you are a CCBill customer, your CCBill account will also be placed on hold until your Cavecreek Web Hosting account is paid in full. CCBill funds will not be released until full payment is received for your Cavecreek Web Hosting account. CCBill funds cannot be used to pay the balance on your Cavecreek Web Hosting account."

seriously, i would change hosts..

Mutt · 11-28-2004, 06:33 AM

not sure that is legal at all, it would depend on the contract you signed with them and I probably how CCBILL and Cavecreek are set up corporately. If they're seperate corporate entities I don't think they can legally withhold money owed to you from one company they own because of a debt you have to another company they own.

interesting though, i'm curious to hear from a lawyer what the law it on that situation.

odd that none of the adult industry lawyers have a board whore to answer questions and drum up business for them.

revsharerewards · 11-28-2004, 06:34 AM

Hang on a minute.

If your friend PAID his bills you wouldn't have anything to talk about.

Just a thought.

ZeroGalleries · 11-28-2004, 06:36 AM

Pay yoour bills fucker.

jimmyf · 11-28-2004, 06:41 AM

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Originally posted by chodadog
That seems fair enough to me, although i don't get why the bill can't be paid with the CCBill funds.

me either

misty_dayz · 11-28-2004, 06:45 AM

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Originally posted by solonline
We were going to use cavecreek for some of our hosting, but seeing as we use ccbill as biller, decided best not to place all eggs in same basket. Nothing against CCBILL or Cavecreek
CCBILL r great and the package offerd by Cavecreek was good.
But still in todays climate thought it best to keep it seperate.

We still in the market though for top managed dedicated hosting ?
Any takers --

i would have to agree with you there...you have to keep things seperate just in case.

jimmyf · 11-28-2004, 06:46 AM

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Originally posted by the Shemp
seriously, i would change hosts..

you got that right

Jace · 11-28-2004, 06:53 AM

why would anyone fucking host with them anyway?

i just did their custom server page...i set in my exact specs for my dedicated...and it came up to $4200 a month with a $5165 setup fee

i pay $299 a month and had free setup

Boss Traffic Jim · 11-28-2004, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by Steen2
Lol, who reads the contracts they sign?

Anyone with 1/2 a brain and good business sense reads the contracts they sign.

UnclePecker · 11-28-2004, 07:09 PM

media · 11-28-2004, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by Steen2
Lol, who reads the contracts they sign?

Savvy business people...

Mike Okitch · 11-28-2004, 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by media
Savvy business people...

Savvy business people is a rare thing on GFY

Kassidy · 11-28-2004, 07:28 PM

Maybe your 'friend' should pay 'his' hosting bill on time...

SpeakEasy · 11-28-2004, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jonathan Quarkschowski
Friend of mine received a payment reminder from cavecreek hosting containing the following line, wonder if this is legal ??

"If you are a CCBill customer, your CCBill account will also be placed on hold until your Cavecreek Web Hosting account is paid in full. CCBill funds will not be released until full payment is received for your Cavecreek Web Hosting account. CCBill funds cannot be used to pay the balance on your Cavecreek Web Hosting account."

Tell your deadbeat friend to pay his hosting bills and there wouldn't be any problems

SureFire · 11-28-2004, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jonathan Quarkschowski
Friend of mine received a payment reminder from cavecreek hosting containing the following line, wonder if this is legal ??

"If you are a CCBill customer, your CCBill account will also be placed on hold until your Cavecreek Web Hosting account is paid in full. CCBill funds will not be released until full payment is received for your Cavecreek Web Hosting account. CCBill funds cannot be used to pay the balance on your Cavecreek Web Hosting account."

Was your friend 3 days late, two weeks late ... or over 90 days late?

Major (Tom) · 11-28-2004, 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by the Shemp
seriously, i would change hosts..

Sounds like some sound advice.

Personally I dont think it's legal. If they are set up as two seperate corporate entities it is most definatley illegal, unless there is a clause saying they can hold funds for any reason.
But serioulsy, legal or not that is shady. Bottom line. I'd expect better from any ccbill ran company.

Duke

NoHassleSteve · 11-28-2004, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jonathan Quarkschowski
Friend of mine received a payment reminder from cavecreek hosting containing the following line, wonder if this is legal ??

"If you are a CCBill customer, your CCBill account will also be placed on hold until your Cavecreek Web Hosting account is paid in full. CCBill funds will not be released until full payment is received for your Cavecreek Web Hosting account. CCBill funds cannot be used to pay the balance on your Cavecreek Web Hosting account."

The first part makes sense... CCBill won't pay you all your $ if you still owe for hosting...

But the second part... That's the "rub".

i.e. if CCBill owes you $10K, and you owe CCWH $6K, you have to send CCWH $6K before CCBill will send you the $10K.
Rather than CC just sending you the $4K net in the first place.

Interesting.

European Lee · 11-28-2004, 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf
I usually change contracts on the spot before I sign them. Surprisingly the people who hand me the contract are the ones who rarely check them when they should.

Haha our lawyer usually changes them before we sign and send them back too

Been mighty handy in the past too i might add.. just because something looks similar to the one you sent me, you should still read it in its entirity to make sure

Regards,

Lee

Nasty · 11-28-2004, 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by the Shemp
seriously, i would change hosts..

He should take this advice

Imagine if he was hosted at iBill hosting

XxXotic · 11-28-2004, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kassidy
Maybe your 'friend' should pay 'his' hosting bill on time...

11-28-2004, 12:10 AM	#1
Jonathan Quarkschowski So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: I made people more money than you could ... Posts: 631	Cavecreek hosting, I wonder if this is legal ??? Friend of mine received a payment reminder from cavecreek hosting containing the following line, wonder if this is legal ?? "If you are a CCBill customer, your CCBill account will also be placed on hold until your Cavecreek Web Hosting account is paid in full. CCBill funds will not be released until full payment is received for your Cavecreek Web Hosting account. CCBill funds cannot be used to pay the balance on your Cavecreek Web Hosting account."

11-28-2004, 12:12 AM	#2
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11-28-2004, 12:36 AM	#7
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Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	I usually change contracts on the spot before I sign them. Surprisingly the people who hand me the contract are the ones who rarely check them when they should. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

11-28-2004, 12:17 AM	#3
ONS Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sparta Posts: 204	Sounds fair and they are the same company so you dont pay then you dont play. They can sure has hell withold payment from the CCBill side and if either side took it to court the money would get tied up even longer. So what could be illegal about them asking to be paid what they are owed? I think they should keep all your money forever so you will crawl in a corner and die of depression of that $5 you lost!!

11-28-2004, 12:33 AM	#5
czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,748	definitely legal... if you read their fine print, you may even find it in the contract you signed.

11-28-2004, 12:37 AM	#8
Bob Saget So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 312	stop wining

11-28-2004, 01:03 AM	#9
REGRET Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 134	Wow i can get the newbie special 7 1/2 gigs transfer for $50.00 at cavecreek.

11-28-2004, 01:14 AM	#11
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11-28-2004, 02:39 AM	#12
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11-28-2004, 02:41 AM	#14
Fake Nick So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: go troll goo! Posts: 7,708	all though I think the topic starter is a troll, it is not fair at all why cant you pay with you money due with ccbill ? if they cross the business like that , it should be crossed in both their and your advantage ,

11-28-2004, 04:17 AM	#15
solonline Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: EU- Posts: 718	We were going to use cavecreek for some of our hosting, but seeing as we use ccbill as biller, decided best not to place all eggs in same basket. Nothing against CCBILL or Cavecreek CCBILL r great and the package offerd by Cavecreek was good. But still in todays climate thought it best to keep it seperate. We still in the market though for top managed dedicated hosting ? Any takers --

11-28-2004, 04:21 AM	#16
Fake Nick So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: go troll goo! Posts: 7,708	imagine ccbill going bankrupt, and they still owe you like $10k your hosting bill with cavecreek is something like $2k with this policy you would be required to pay that $2k while maybe never getting this $10k from them ! and thats just wrong !!!!!!!!!! that policy is BULLSHIT !!!

11-28-2004, 06:33 AM	#18
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	not sure that is legal at all, it would depend on the contract you signed with them and I probably how CCBILL and Cavecreek are set up corporately. If they're seperate corporate entities I don't think they can legally withhold money owed to you from one company they own because of a debt you have to another company they own. interesting though, i'm curious to hear from a lawyer what the law it on that situation. odd that none of the adult industry lawyers have a board whore to answer questions and drum up business for them. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

11-28-2004, 06:34 AM	#19
revsharerewards So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: London Posts: 25	Hang on a minute. If your friend PAID his bills you wouldn't have anything to talk about. Just a thought.

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Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	why would anyone fucking host with them anyway? i just did their custom server page...i set in my exact specs for my dedicated...and it came up to $4200 a month with a $5165 setup fee i pay $299 a month and had free setup

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