What false accusations? I measured unique by unique the traffic I sent to you, and in my case most of it did NOT get counted, and it did not create any sales, in spite of my success on the VERY SAME traffic when I sent it to other sponsors.

This is fact, and I don't care to give you the relevant account numbers so that you can pull some annoying revenge action.

I do not agree with only having 1) shut up, and 2) have someone pull undeserved crap on you as options.

Cool.. done and done..

It was aim, you are correct about that....

Anyways.. I just don't like it when people hop on the bandwagon and make negative remarks for the sake of making a negative remark..

This thread started as a request from an affiliate, the request was promptly addressed. then people start some shit and it gets to this level..

Not that you started all this drama in this thread.. but god.. sometimes I hate people :(

That's weird, I track all my outclicks to every sponsor I promote, and there's only a couple that actually have stats that match what my totals say... Epic Cash is one of them :thumbsup

It will never match 100% with anyone, but in my case, I tried Epic Cash with two different acounts and in both cases the vast majority of the traffic was not reported at all. I am not talking fractions. This is fact, and I actually liked Epic Cash and even Trey before this happened (we had many polite chats on and off the board), but it really happened and I don't see too many possible theories for it.

Did you account for dialer traffic and all the raw clicks you could have gotten? We do geo targeted redirects and pay on all dialer revenue that is obtained by your traffic from countries that we do not offer cc processing to..

repetitive monkey,

Q: Someone really pissed me off. I want to slam them on the board. Is this cool?
A: First off make sure you have substance to do so. Show some proof. We all want to know who is dirty. And lets keep it Mono y Mono, leave the innocent bystanders out of the fray.


There are rules on this board, and you're the one who is breaking them. Anybody with a brain will look at you as the problem, and not epic cash... so just chill out dude.

He never told me it was necessary.

I am not breaking any rules by saying what happened to me, and I have good reasons to think that they are nagging for account IDs ONLY to get my info and pull some shitty stunt like they have in the past.

Look at it this way. I have no motive at all for lying. Record shows that we had a good relationship before suddenly I spoke of what happened. Nothing ever gave me any sort of motive to lie about them. Also consider the stunts that they have pulled in the past, and see the validity in my concerns about giving them account IDs.

Realize in addition that even if I supply them with account IDs, they could still lie about what went on. Why would their word be proof, and not mine? Because they are GFY sponsors? That doesn't make any sense.

What stunts are you referring to? I hate to burst your bubble, but we're not the bunch of vindictive kids that you think we are.

You're repeatedly telling us that there's a serious problem with our stats (while everyone else says differently). We'd like to investigate the problem, see if it was something wrong on your end or ours, and rectify the situation is possible.

If you're not interested in sharing your account information with us, that's your prerogative. But in that case, we'll ask you to stop making your unfair, one-sided allegations.

You keeping saying there's a problem, yet you have no interest in letting us look into the potential problem and fix it. And your primary excuse is that we'll pull some sort of stunt once we have your account information.

Oh yes he did

Unfair, one-sided allegations? Christ. I'm just saying what happened to me. I have no motive at all to lie, while in truth the very nature of this situation gives *your* side a motive.

Motive.

Re: vindictive kids comment; it is common knowledge on this board that Epic Cash on numerous occasions has made some very ill-fated posts, comments, and threats. "kill all nig*ers," "give this russian cheater a call," etc, are phrases that comes to mind in this regard.

Precedent.

Those comments were made by one person: Trey. In case you haven't noticed, he no longer posts here.

Others have made worse allegations than you and no mafia members showed up at their door.

Besides, your examples make very little sense. You're weary of providing us with your account name because doing so would enable Trey to come out of GFY retirement and tell people to "kill all ni**ers"?

You seem to be grasping at straws. At least come up with better precendent than that.

Your always coming into our threads and saying your ratio sucked blah blah... but why dont you provide us with your id?

You are indeed the one grasping at straws. You know perfectly well that what I believe you are likely to do is pulling some kind of lowly stunt to shut me up. I've already said this.

Look at the sanity of your boss, look at his postings and his actions, and ask yourself if that is the kind of guy you want to first confront (as you seem to see it any way) and then supply with all of your personal information.

I am being reasonable. You are not.

You quoted his answer. He's afraid Trey will swing by GFY and tell people to "kill all ni**ers" and to call some russian cheaters.

Makes sense, no?

Now you are lying. Are you lying about other things too, hmm?

My boss is perfectly sane. As for his postings, he has posted here once in the last 2-3 months, and that was in order to apologize to someone he had attacked.

I honestly have no clue what lowly stunt you're worried we'll pull in order to shut you up. And I guess I'll never know, because you're adamant in keeping it to yourself.

I mean, come on, are you afraid we're gonna send some hired goons to your door to bust your kneecaps? Or maybe we'll hire someone to find your family and give them some cement shoes?

Continue to think you're being reasonable and not grasping at some straws. Everyone else can see through your facade.

Yes you are. That was my whole point. You're not allowed to slam people without posting proper proof. You say you have no motive, how do I know that? How do I know one of the epic guys didnt fuck your girl friend? How do I know they didnt make you feel under appreciated and now you have something against them, etc. It's the same way I dont know if what you're saying is true or not. But the fact is, they're offering to investigate and correct any problems and you're just trying to keep the flaming going. That to me says that you do have motive and it is you who is lying.

Back up your numerous and senseless conclusions with some sort of demonstratable logic, please.

Lying? You stated you're afraid to provide us with account info because you're afraid we'll pull some sort of stunt. When I asked you to explain what kind of stunt you're worried about, you gave me two examples.

I'm simply using your own words. No lies here. Feel free to scroll up to the top of the page and read your own post.

Numerous and senseless conclusions? I haven't come to any yet. I'm sure others have though.

You are using ridiculous assumptions and ignorance of what I have already said to demonstrate why you believe that I am lying. Are you a troll, a friend of someone in Epic, or do you have something unsaid with me?

You said that I didn't supply my ID because I was afraid Trey would come on board and say, "kill all nig*ers."

When I mentioned the "nig*er" example, I clearly did it in the context of demonstrating that Trey "has made some very ill-fated posts, comments, and threats" (direct quote). I did this to add a point about Trey's behaviour, and therefore in extension his likelyhood of pulling some kind of shit.

In ADDITION, I repeatedly and provably said that the reason was that I didn't want my personal information posted to your goons, or have some kind of stunt to shut me up pulled.

Therefore you LIED.

Caught in another lie.

Direct quote: "Continue to think you're being reasonable and not grasping at some straws. Everyone else can see through your facade."

You concluded that I'm not being reasonable, that I am grasping at straws, and that I have a "facade", without posting the way which you used to come to those conslusions even.

Dude, you're absolutely right. You've seen right through me. We're out to get you. All the people who have sided with Epic Cash in this thread are actually fake accounts of mine created in order to try and coax you into posting your account information so that we can send some kids to egg and TP your house. And then afterwards, Trey will come out of GFY retirement in order to call some Russian cheaters and tell people to kill ni**ers. You're wayyyyy too smart for us, Monkey.

By the way, while you're adjusting your tinfoil hat, look up the terms "sarcastic" and "tongue-in-cheek".

That is one long piece of absolutely nothing. Instead of arguing your position or taking on my logic, you resort to bad sarcasm and create and molest a ridiculously contrived straw man version of myself in an utterly moronic and even self-destructive attempt to hit the post button with at least a trace of belief in that you have actually said something to make me look bad.

haha

this thread turned into D R A M A but at least i got my question answered ;]

Taking on your logic? You have none.

You have a problem with our stats tracking. Yet you won't give us your username so that we can look into the problem. Illogical on your part.

Your excuse for not posting your account info is that you're afraid we'll pull some some childish stunt based on some nonsensical "precedent".

I've argued my position. I've tried being reasonable. I've tried being helpful. It accomplished nothing positive. All I received in return for convoluted reasons and excuses from you.

I'm not going to continue this anymore. For some reason, you won't post your account info. Nothing I can say or do will change that. Feel free to keep it up if you so wish. But don't start whining or blaming Epic Cash if you get banned from here.

I am being completely reasonable in not posting the IDs because of reasons repeated too many times already. It also doesn't even serve a purpose, because you are not going to admit that you shaved me. Instead, we'll likely hear about "glitches" (remember?) and crap like that.

In any case, the way you have behaved tonight and your methods of argumentation speaks volumes about you and also your company. Thank you for your time.

PS: And tell your coworkers to stop harrassing me on ICQ.

Damn, this is still going.... I haven't read all the posts since I was in the thread last.

But it is good to know a new stats page is on the way - thanks. The current pages are usable and I can get the info I need from them.

Great job nofx :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh funny also

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