USA Patriot Act II would make news gathering a crime

[datezonline]

Think the first Patriot Act was a civil rights and personal privacy tragedy? Just wait until you see Patriot Act II. Section 102 of the police state bill would make it a crime to engage in any information gathering, meaning that people who gather news headlines on the Internet would suddenly be deemed criminals and terrorists.
Essentially, the law would destroy any last illusions of freedom in the United States. It would turn the USA into a communist-style police state, where no person is truly free.

News summary:
Source: http://www.rickieleejones.com/political/patriotact.htm


Congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex) told the Washington Times that no member of Congress was allowed to read the first Patriot Act that was passed by the House on October 27, 2001.
The first Patriot Act was universally decried by civil libertarians and Constitutional scholars from across the political spectrum.
1. The secretive tactics being used by the White House and Speaker Hastert to keep even the existence of this legislation secret would be more at home in Communist China than in the United States.
The fact that Dick Cheney publicly managed the steamroller passage of the first Patriot Act, ensuring that no one was allowed to read it and publicly threatening members of Congress that if they didn't vote in favor of it that they would be blamed for the next terrorist attack, is by the White House's own definition terrorism.
Whereas the First Patriot Act only gutted the First, Third, Fourth and Fifth Amendments, and seriously damaged the Seventh and the Tenth, the Second Patriot Act reorganizes the entire Federal government as well as many areas of state government under the dictatorial control of the Justice Department, the Office of Homeland Security and the FEMA NORTHCOM military command.
SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification Database) set up a national database of "suspected terrorists" and radically expand the database to include anyone associated with suspected terrorist groups and anyone involved in crimes or having supported any group designated as "terrorist."
These sections also set up a national DNA database for anyone on probation or who has been on probation for any crime, and orders State governments to collect the DNA for the Federal government.
SECTION 311 federalizes your local police department in the area of information sharing.


http://www.newstarget.com/002477.html

[xclusive]

Things are only going to get worse for the next 4 years I think it's time to fight back for our rights...

[Phoenix]

Goerge Orwell was only two decades off

[skillfull]

Originally posted by Phoenix
Goerge Orwell was only two decades off

sad but true

[datezonline]

funny how people talk of fighting back but never ever do

[nofx]

kill cops, because one dead cop makes a difference.

[datezonline]

[aico]

Didn't some time traveller dude predict a civil war next year?

Better get me two of them air guns that shot the shit out of that TV and mount them on the sides of my GSX-R, and some football shoulder pads and a mohawk.

[datezonline]

Originally posted by aico
Didn't some time traveller dude predict a civil war next year?

Better get me two of them air guns that shot the shit out of that TV and mount them on the sides of my GSX-R, and some football shoulder pads and a mohawk.

wow you really dont care about freedom or human rights do you? maybe you will when they start focing you to do shit...like killing jews in concentration camps

[woj]

It pisses me off that people actually support laws like that... They figure: "I'm not doing anything wrong, so I have nothing to worry about"

[aico]

Originally posted by datezonline
wow you really dont care about freedom or human rights do you? maybe you will when they start focing you to do shit...like killing jews in concentration camps

You mean things like stealing your land, making you live in a Reservation, and then celebrating it every year by commiting one of the seven deadly sins, then going shopping the next day??

[datezonline]

You can read the entire 87-page draft here http://www.publicintegrity.org/dtawe...703_Doc_1.pdf. Constitutional watchdog Nat Hentoff has called it "the most radical government plan in our history to remove from Americans their liberties under the Bill of Rights." Some of DSEA's more draconian provisions:


Americans could have their citizenship revoked, if found to have contributed "material support" to organizations deemed by the government, even retroactively, to be "terrorist." As Hentoff wrote in the Feb. 28 Village Voice: "Until now, in our law, an American could only lose his or her citizenship by declaring a clear intent to abandon it. But -- and read this carefully from the new bill -- 'the intent to relinquish nationality need not be manifested in words, but can be inferred from conduct.'" (Italics Hentoff's.)


Legal permanent residents (like, say, my French wife), could be deported instantaneously, without a criminal charge or even evidence, if the Attorney General considers them a threat to national security. If they commit minor, non-terrorist offenses, they can still be booted out, without so much as a day in court, because the law would exempt habeas corpus review in some cases. As the American Civil Liberties Union stated in its long brief against the DSEA, "Congress has not exempted any person from habeas corpus -- a protection guaranteed by the Constitution -- since the Civil War."


The government would be instructed to build a mammoth database of citizen DNA information, aimed at "detecting, investigating, prosecuting, preventing or responding to terrorist activities." Samples could be collected without a court order; one need only be suspected of wrongdoing by a law enforcement officer. Those refusing the cheek-swab could be fined $200,000 and jailed for a year. "Because no federal genetic privacy law regulates DNA databases, privacy advocates fear that the data they contain could be misused," Wired News reported March 31. "People with 'flawed' DNA have already suffered genetic discrimination at the hands of employers, insurance companies and the government."


Authorities could wiretap anybody for 15 days, and snoop on anyone's Internet usage (including chat and email), all without obtaining a warrant.


The government would be specifically instructed not to release any information about detainees held on suspicion of terrorist activities, until they are actually charged with a crime. Or, as Hentoff put it, "for the first time in U.S. history, secret arrests will be specifically permitted."


Businesses that rat on their customers to the Feds -- even if the information violates privacy agreements, or is, in fact, dead wrong -- would be granted immunity. "Such immunity," the ACLU contended, "could provide an incentive for neighbor to spy on neighbor and pose problems similar to those inherent in Attorney General Ashcroft's Operation TIPS."


Police officers carrying out illegal searches would also be granted legal immunity if they were just carrying out orders.


Federal "consent decrees" limiting local law enforcement agencies' abilities to spy on citizens in their jurisdiction would be rolled back. As Howard Simon, executive director of Florida's ACLU, noted in a March 19 column in the Sarasota Herald Tribune: "The restrictions on political surveillance were hard-fought victories for civil liberties during the 1970s."


American citizens could be subject to secret surveillance by their own government on behalf of foreign countries, including dictatorships.


The death penalty would be expanded to cover 15 new offenses.


And many of PATRIOT I's "sunset provisions" -- stipulating that the expanded new enforcement powers would be rescinded in 2005 -- would be erased from the books, cementing Ashcroft's rushed legislation in the law books. As UPI noted March 10, "These sunset provisions were a concession to critics of the bill in Congress."

[datezonline]

Originally posted by aico
You mean things like stealing your land, making you live in a Reservation, and then celebrating it every year by commiting one of the seven deadly sins, then going shopping the next day??

oh man, so you must be what? 400 years old?

[datezonline]

the US govt is going to kill you

the patriot act 2 says anyone with even the smallest terrorist ties (yes this includes anti war protesters
who have now officialy in the patriot act 2 been classed as terrorists) will be sentenced to death its one
of 15 new laws which get the death penalty, but heres the kicked....YOU DONT GET A TRIAL!

they just kill you, no trial no nothing!

[Serge Litehead]

from land of free choice to one big concentration camp

I would hate to see US flag in black and white.

[who]

Ant soon ve vill all be spikink in ze RUSHIAN akcent.

[project_naughty]

Originally posted by datezonline
Think the first Patriot Act was a civil rights and personal privacy tragedy? Just wait until you see Patriot Act II. Section 102 of the police state bill would make it a crime to engage in any information gathering, meaning that people who gather news headlines on the Internet would suddenly be deemed criminals and terrorists.
Essentially, the law would destroy any last illusions of freedom in the United States. It would turn the USA into a communist-style police state, where no person is truly free.

News summary:
Source: http://www.rickieleejones.com/political/patriotact.htm


Congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex) told the Washington Times that no member of Congress was allowed to read the first Patriot Act that was passed by the House on October 27, 2001.
The first Patriot Act was universally decried by civil libertarians and Constitutional scholars from across the political spectrum.
1. The secretive tactics being used by the White House and Speaker Hastert to keep even the existence of this legislation secret would be more at home in Communist China than in the United States.
The fact that Dick Cheney publicly managed the steamroller passage of the first Patriot Act, ensuring that no one was allowed to read it and publicly threatening members of Congress that if they didn't vote in favor of it that they would be blamed for the next terrorist attack, is by the White House's own definition terrorism.
Whereas the First Patriot Act only gutted the First, Third, Fourth and Fifth Amendments, and seriously damaged the Seventh and the Tenth, the Second Patriot Act reorganizes the entire Federal government as well as many areas of state government under the dictatorial control of the Justice Department, the Office of Homeland Security and the FEMA NORTHCOM military command.
SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification Database) set up a national database of "suspected terrorists" and radically expand the database to include anyone associated with suspected terrorist groups and anyone involved in crimes or having supported any group designated as "terrorist."
These sections also set up a national DNA database for anyone on probation or who has been on probation for any crime, and orders State governments to collect the DNA for the Federal government.
SECTION 311 federalizes your local police department in the area of information sharing.


http://www.newstarget.com/002477.html

What utter claptrap.

But hey, great PR for Rickie Lee Jones!

[12clicks]

ahahaha, and you idiots wonder why you're still living with mommy.

paying attention in school could have prevented this.

[Goatse]

Originally posted by datezonline
funny how people talk of fighting back but never ever do

A brief look at history will show that your statement is incorrect. Revolutions triggered by popular uprising are frequent, and they often happen incredibly rapidly.

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by xclusive
Things are only going to get worse for the next 4 years I think it's time to fight back for our rights...

You know damn well this won't happen

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by 12clicks
ahahaha, and you idiots wonder why you're still living with mommy.

paying attention in school could have prevented this.

Ok... prevent it ?