Gary, shut up, and grow up.

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OMG - I can't believe your going as low as saying Germans are currently nazis. Smarten up. It was the Nazi regeime, not the Germans who wanted their own ways. Same as these extremist terrorists. You're being just as ignorant as other people on here by stating everyone from a place is the same.

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PornMeister, man, i'm with u 100%.

killing innocent ppl is a crime in any conditions.

if blood hungry guys here want to kill arabs - why not they r not there?
why they r sitting in their warm houses in texas and shouting "kill 'em all, i have more popcorn, gimme show on TV!"

NOBODY can stop terror with a/h-bombing

let's imagine brave american pres sends b-2 on Afganistan with a-bomb...
NOTHING would be better
China, India, Russia (as countries close to Afganistan) will ally just to make sure that america is not going to use a-weapon again.
UN will be just a toy. if bush is going to bomb Afganistan without UN-resolution... bah... nobody will like america after it....

as some pictures posted here....
right after such explosion in Afganistan (killin' some sheeps and burning plants, indeed) some guy will bring one liter of bio-weapon in the center of Los-Angeles or NYC or any other big american city... 15 millions gone next minute

You fucking want this?

I am with our country's leader:

Deliver all leaders of al-Qaida to U.S. authorities.

Release all foreign nationals who were being imprisoned ? including U.S. citizens ? and protect journalists, diplomats and aid workers within the country.

Close every terrorist training camp in Afghanistan and hand over every terrorist and every person in their support structure to appropriate authorities.

Give U.S. representatives full access to terrorist training camps to ensure that they are no longer operating.

These demands are not open to negotiation or discussion. The Taliban must act and act immediately. They will hand over the terrorists, or they will share in their fate.

Very true, but maybe it should come from UN, not from us pres? maybe other countries mean something too?

this thing is 100% right for me and i think all UN members will approve it, why then u r going to bomb 'em without even asking UN?

all can be done _normal_ way http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

p.s. China already told that they will be against any attack on Afganistan without UN approval. I hope u understand that bush is helpless against China...

peace....

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Although the People?s Liberation Army (China) would be no match for U.S. forces in a major war, it is feared by neighboring powers and could conceivably do considerable damage to American forces in an Asian regional scenario. China?s aim may be to build a military that is perceived as so powerful that neighboring states with whom it has territorial disputes will capitulate rather than contest their claims.

well, i hope no 'major war' will happen. 'cuz it might be really the last war http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/frown.gif
i was talking about bush's politic helpless. the latest accident with american spy-plane that was hit by china has show that.

anyway, bush is not so powerful (yet) and he still has some wise ppl in his crew. so let's just hope for the best http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

I'm hoping for the best as well.

The aid workers are held there because they did something that was against the law. They knew it was against the law but that didn't keep them from doing it. They knew what was gonna happen to them if they did.
I'm sorry for them but it's their own fault. Beeing a missionary in Afghanistan is a crazy idea.

Yeah, I bet it was terrible. Owning a television is against the law there.

PM... I have to draw the line with your last statement... You were holding the lead in this discussion until that remark...

The Taliban is accusing those workers of doing something wrong.. They are NOT convicted nor have they been tried even under the kangaroo system they have in Afghanistan. At best they have been arraigned if you try to compare Western Court systems to theirs.

Lets watch the P's & Q's of talking BS.

EVERY country has its own laws. In Texas a guy was caught with 55 pounds of marijuhana. He was sentenced to 55 years in prison.
Do you think that's fair?

Apperantly some bibles written in the local language were found at their places. This was reported by cnn and various other news agencies. What do you think were they good for? To me it's clear that they tried to convert Afghans to christianity even though they knew it was a crime. I think that's a terrible law. But they knew the risk.....

Okay, well now you're just being a dumbass. It's obvious you are someone who is stuck in the whole world peace fantasy and would turn yourself in for jaywalking. But you might want to read to the bottom of posts before gettin' all self-rightous.

"These demands are not open to negotiation or discussion." -President Bush

He wasn't asking that they be released. He was TELLING.

Taliban - Hitler

that's because he is just plain stupid!
I really wonder why some 49% of the US voters voted for this idiot. Does it make you feel superiour or what?

PornMeister
You are a moron...Let me guess you are from East Germany

PM, what you just inferred was, because We happen to have some books written in say Italian and dealt with the facist way of life then, any Italian close by must have given them to us and must be put on trial.

Just because some Afghani has a Bible in English does NOT mean that those health care etc people gave it to them. Sheesh, how MANY English people have been there?? Never mind that even as oddly as they speak at times, British subjects ran Afghanistan for a very long time, AND they speak English! How many Bibles were left behind by them? You have those people tried and convicted before they have seen the judge.

Show me a picture or some other eveidence of one of those people being held handing over or other wise trying to convert an Afghani person and I'll vote they get jailtime. Elsewise, back up and allow them their trial.

Doesn't have anything to do with being stupid. The demands he made of Afghanistan are obviously impossible for them to fulfill because of their own fat-headed dictations. By stating that they are not open to discussion or negotiation, (meaning NOT flexible), and knowing there's no way in Hell Afghanistan is going to willingly comply with them, he's basically saying this:

"Run. We're coming. And it ain't gonna be pretty."

If you want to sum it up and say it's because he is stupid, that's your right. But I'm not gonna get all heated up again like yesterday because some fool flower child wannabe wants to sit around a fuckin' campfire and sing Kum-By-Ah until the worlds problems are magically solved through some ethereal projection of "love and goodness".

You're arguing with someone who can't be argued with. Good day sir.

PM..the orginzation called Fair Trials Abroad have not been allowed in to monitor those trials. Enough said.

No one says "let all the fuckin motherfuckers
play their bloody games". in my opinion they all should and will be erased from the earth surface but you can reach it without killing
hundred thousands of innocent people.
it's clear for everyone that the taliban wont give up and hand over bin laden but at the same time the suckers are sure enough to be able to kick ass every country in the world in afghanistan. i think they will get enough money from other fanatics to fulfill it thats the fact u should think about.

No Renegade... this is exactly what guys like you have failed to understand through the past weeks worth of arguments.

I don't need to think about any such thing. You just THINK I need to think about it. I will think what I damn well please. Not what someone else tells me to think.

This is why these arguments have gone on for as long as they have on this board. I (and others) give opinions... and you (and others) tell me what I'm supposed to fuckin' think about. I'm sick of it.

Think whatever you want, but don't fuckin' dictate to me what I'M supposed to think. Got an opinion? Great... I'd love to hear it. Mad? Express yourself. Wanna spread love and peace vibes... fine. But when someone tells me what I NEED to be thinking about, that's when I get pissed. And that's when the arguments ensue.

well, i dont dictate nothing here, just
post some reasonable thoughts and i sure as hell do understand that pure words wont kill
those terrorist bitches

p.s. i guess you democracy and isnt you favourite word

Ok then.

I'm not at all trying to dictate you what to think.
I'm trying to understand your logic behind your thoughts.
To me it seems insane to justifly the killing of innocent people because members of their religion killed other innocent people. Seems insane an inhuman. There is no reason behind this.
I think it's exactly your attitude that caused these attacks. Arrogant behaviour and a feeling of beeing the greatest.

And I think YOUR attitude it what causes people to have to live in Hell like those people in Afghanistan.

I never once said hunt down and kill innocent people. Those people are WELL AWARE of what's coming, due to their *leaders* (very loosely used here) lack of cooperation. If they choose to stick around and wait for it, then they should probably also be fully aware of the fact that they're going to die. Innocent or not.

I am STILL totally mystified at why this is such a difficult concept for you to understand.

Yeah right
what optios do those people have? Not everyone can just get away.

You know, nobody has ever tried to stop terrorism with a nuclear bomb so there is no data on which to base a conclusion one way or the other.
Interesting, I think.

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Be glad we are merely porn webmasters on a message board. Because if I was the guy behind the big red button on the US Nuke Machine, Afghanistan and Iraq both, would already be nothing more than big glass holes.

What were you saying again? I can't HEAR youuuu.

Try cleaning out your ears.

*I* am not on this page (3) saying that I never said to wipe out the country while on page 1, I did...

Good for you. You're a real fuckin' saint aren't ya.

Pornmeister

you're a fucking idiot and I deserve to shoot a huge load of cum to your face.

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Well, for not being able to get away, they sure look like they're doing a bang up job of it.

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Gemini,
Since you seem to be confused by what I guess you're calling *conflicting* posts, (I didn't see anything conflicting whatsoever, but what the hell...) I'll clear it up for you once and for all.

I feel those people have had their choice. Stay where they are... or run. They've known it's coming for a while now, so they have zero excuses left. If they're still to damn stupid to realize they're gonna die by staying, then so be it. We're not babysitters. We have billions invested in our military hardware, personnel, and ammunition. So, for the record now: (you might wanna get out your pen and make a note):

I hope when we get over there, we spend a fuckin' fortune. I hope we bomb every single square fuckin' inch of that place until they're crying and begging for forgiveness. And anyone else that wants a piece of it.
They've been told and warned repeatedly, yet they continue to spit at us in complete and utter defiance.

Well fuck 'em. No more talks. No more warnings. No more games. No more speeches. No more chances. Time to reap the whirlwind baby. Now they can feel the wrath of a pissed off America.

And THAT'S a post you can feel free to quote whenever you like.

I can't believe you guys helped this fucker win the DVD player ....LOL

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So working with THAT twisted plan of action, then we do that to Germany as well when we go there for the cells... oh and don't forget we'll have to do the same to the US, we have the cells... Hmmm better call your buddies at the Pentagon to stock up... supposed to be 50 different countries we'll be fragging and nuking since they all have cells...

Then there are the other terror groups. Hmmmm, why not follow your plan and just drop some in the San Andreas and crack the planet wide open and forget about it

Take your brother and go home.

I don't need clarification from your assinine ideas. Giving totally innocent civilizations a 24 hr grace period... where are they supposed to go? How will they get there? So yes YOUR grand plan is annihilation of innocents.

Whats your Serial Number since you served? Or is it even a US Serial?? Oh and thats NOT the number in your shoe either.

all has come to a very simple thing... surviving... it's not about moral, politics, war, peace... it's about surviving... does the bear have any other choice but to kill the snake that tried to attack it first? oh, wait, that won't be moral! the bear is in times larger than the snake! maybe, the bear would better kindly request the snake to stop doing so... yeah, right!

pornmeister - you're very brave to sit in your hole and to broadcast bullshit from there... but if a plane crashed 2 miles from your house and killed your child, what would you do? still talk about "peace and undertanding"?

you ALL miss one simple thing - it's all about your life now. and it must be protected. the price won't matter.

be an egoist and choose YOUR life even if you have to take THEIR ones.

"Well fuck 'em. No more talks. No more warnings. No more games. No more speeches. No more chances. Time to reap the whirlwind baby. Now they can feel the wrath of a pissed off America."

I`m surprised that more Americans don`t feel this way.

I'm done arguing Gemini. And not you or anyone else is going to lead me into any more of it by taunting me with silly shit like serial numbers and post comparisons. I've expressed my opinion, and made my point. Hopefully very clear. You don't have to agree with it, and you don't have to like it. Either way, you can stew in it if you choose to, but I'm not gonna do it.

I stand by my statements. And I will not back down from them.

Do you think that this will save your life? What your govemerment is planning on doing will create more danger than ever before. The comming decades will be like the 70's in Europe when leftist terror shocked everybody. But it will be a lot worse than that. A lot more deaths. They won't just attack israeli athlets or politicians. They will attack millions of innocent people.
You might find my next though perverted:
I really hope that no european nation will become to involved in that. Because if some crazy arab will get their hands on a nuke or some biological weapon (they are relativly easy to get in russia) I sure hope they'll target the US and not europe.
And this is what's gonna happen if you piss them off even more.
The arab world has been a playball between the 2 world powers in the past decades. That's the reason that these kind of religious fanatics exist. And right now the US is working really hard to destabilze the whole region even more than it is. Why? Because all goverments have no other choice than supporting the US. But the people don't support the US. Many are horrified by the attacks in the US just like you are and just like I am and everyone else I know. But all they see is that they've been used over and over again by the US and the sovjets.

So what problem will be solved when the US attacks Afghanistan and other Arab contries? Do you really think this would solve the problem. You kill one terrorist and you got 10 more. This is war. But that bad thing about it is that it can not be won by fighting. Because you don't know your enemy. It can only be won by accepting that their way to live is very different from yours and mine. Trying to force our ways of live on other people will create the problems we currently have. Mixed with a strong believe an some kind of supernatural beeing (god, allah or whatever) this becomes a very dangerous mixture.
It's gonna take decades for everyone to calm down. But that process has already started in some nations. Iran for example has a very modern president today. But you can't expect them to make any radical changes. Their civilization is propably 50 or even more years behind. Afghanistan has fallen back into the dark ages. You can't just change that from one moment to another.

The point of all this is that you gotta solve the cause of a problem and not it's symptoms. By just curing the symptoms you are gonna create more problems than you already have!