why does every sponsor have to shave? - GoFuckYourself.com

rj2kix · 11-23-2004, 01:34 AM

if sponsors can only afford to pay out $20 a sale, why dont they just pay $20 a sale, instead of having outrageous payouts and shaving 50% of traffic, or 50% of signups.

the bad thing is everyone in the industry does it.

do we as webmasters just have to accept that "that's how things are" and move on with our traffic, knowing we are getting signups that arent paid on?

this really frustrates me beyond belief

MetaMan · 11-23-2004, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rj2kix
if sponsors can only afford to pay out $20 a sale, why dont they just pay $20 a sale, instead of having outrageous payouts and shaving 50% of traffic, or 50% of signups.

the bad thing is everyone in the industry does it.

do we as webmasters just have to accept that "that's how things are" and move on with our traffic, knowing we are getting signups that arent paid on?

this really frustrates me beyond belief

its no ones fault u make shit off your tgp galleries.

rj2kix · 11-23-2004, 01:38 AM

i dont run tgp galleries, dick

it has nothing to do with my traffic or my sales of recent, its about the principle

hydro · 11-23-2004, 01:41 AM

To attract people to the program, offering $50 per sale will get alot more people talking about your program.

abyss_al · 11-23-2004, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rj2kix
if sponsors can only afford to pay out $20 a sale, why dont they just pay $20 a sale, instead of having outrageous payouts and shaving 50% of traffic, or 50% of signups.

the bad thing is everyone in the industry does it.

do we as webmasters just have to accept that "that's how things are" and move on with our traffic, knowing we are getting signups that arent paid on?

this really frustrates me beyond belief

it's more like 30%

hydro · 11-23-2004, 01:46 AM

don't forget that the billing companies like to do thier own "scrubbing"

venus · 11-23-2004, 02:01 AM

Do you really think those sites can payout to affiliates sometimes more then the cost of a membership?
Someone is going to get ripped, its either the affiliate or the customer and its to dangerous to rip the customer.

But as to your comment on everyone shaving, not everyone shaves, only those who have to trick webmasters into thinking they will be be millionaires are the ones shaving.

remember, its it looks to good to be true it probably is.

Quote:

Originally posted by rj2kix
if sponsors can only afford to pay out $20 a sale, why dont they just pay $20 a sale, instead of having outrageous payouts and shaving 50% of traffic, or 50% of signups.

the bad thing is everyone in the industry does it.

do we as webmasters just have to accept that "that's how things are" and move on with our traffic, knowing we are getting signups that arent paid on?

this really frustrates me beyond belief

Major (Tom) · 11-23-2004, 02:15 AM

Not all companies shave man. with my program, a bad day is simply just a bad day.
Cheers
Duke

Doctor Dre · 11-23-2004, 02:21 AM

I've seen proof of shaving by at least 1 BIG program lately ... made me wonder

Kard63 · 11-23-2004, 02:23 AM

Seems like it would be bad for business. Market consolodation might actually help this issue. I wouldnt shave.

Doctor Dre · 11-23-2004, 02:28 AM

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Originally posted by Kard63
Seems like it would be bad for business. Market consolodation might actually help this issue. I wouldnt shave.

Or make it worst

Fake Nick · 11-23-2004, 02:32 AM

I love shaving

Ian · 11-23-2004, 06:22 AM

We don't shave.

brand0n · 11-23-2004, 06:30 AM

sup rj

UltraSonic · 11-23-2004, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rj2kix
if sponsors can only afford to pay out $20 a sale, why dont they just pay $20 a sale, instead of having outrageous payouts and shaving 50% of traffic, or 50% of signups.

the bad thing is everyone in the industry does it.

do we as webmasters just have to accept that "that's how things are" and move on with our traffic, knowing we are getting signups that arent paid on?

this really frustrates me beyond belief

In the old days when i wasn't making any green i used to think the same, alot of frustration, alot of work and no money.
I understand what you feel BUT you have to keep working.
If you aren't making and green try changing galleries or the way you drive traffic....... in the end you will succeed. I don't care anymore about shaving or not shaving sponsors, if they wheren't here, i wouldn't be making the money i make right now. If i make a descent amount and they shave or i loose a few signups i don't care, after all, they make the sites, provide them to us and most of them provide you a way to make money with ZERO investement. If you don't like shaving, invest in your own paysite, setting up servers, buy scripts and maintain it all

studio · 11-23-2004, 06:37 AM

I don't know how one could shave when the program uses a 3 rd party for billing and stats tracking... Forget all these "pie in the sky" payouts! Join some rev. share programs and send traffic and get paid... They say, "You can lead a webmaster to the real money... but it's a bitch to make them take it!"

With that said, Join and promote the girls of pineapplepink!

Denny

Harmon · 11-23-2004, 06:43 AM

Find one of the numerous programs using NATS

- Jesus Christ - · 11-23-2004, 06:53 AM

All I'm gonna say is that I'm still making decent change off of rev-share sites I stopped promoting a long time ago.

Its always good to push some quality revshare sites.

Dirty Dane · 11-23-2004, 07:05 AM

Not every sponsor shave - only those who cant make money without shaving - or the greedy ones

In my opinion - saying "live with it" is totally BS. You don't have to live with it, because there are enough sponsors that dont shave and they deserve the traffic. All big serious affiliates who has promoted many sites know this, or should know it, and they stop promoting those sites.
Yeah, its expensive to run a paysite, but I dont think they will live much longer when they start shaving. Rumors will cost more than they gain in shaving.

Using 3rd part processor does not mean they cant shave. There are many tricks; they can still manipulate with scripts on FHGs, Potds and other sites, geotarget traffic, cut off cookies and so on.

If you wanna know some very good tips about avoiding shaving, hit me up on ICQ 217-240-358 and I will tell you how

Theo · 11-23-2004, 07:10 AM

www.dieselaction.com

we dont shave

CCBill stats/payments for

http://www.MashaWorld.com
http://www.GroupSexVirgins.com
http://www.IFuckThem.com

and back to the question, most of PPS sponsors shave. I completely agree with Dirty Dane. They claim high payouts as an effort to gain webmasters normally they wouldn't start promoting their sites.

DavePlays · 11-23-2004, 07:16 AM

rj2kix - where in ohio are you from?

Totemack · 11-23-2004, 07:23 AM

I can stand up with my pants down and tell you TotemCash don't shave! They're french, they're way too honest to shave!

TotemCash: The hairiest and most reliable webmaster program around.

Kevin2 · 11-23-2004, 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by Dirty Dane
Not every sponsor shave - only those who cant make money without shaving - or the greedy ones

In my opinion - saying "live with it" is totally BS. You don't have to live with it, because there are enough sponsors that dont shave and they deserve the traffic. All big serious affiliates who has promoted many sites know this, or should know it, and they stop promoting those sites.
Yeah, its expensive to run a paysite, but I dont think they will live much longer when they start shaving. Rumors will cost more than they gain in shaving.

Using 3rd part processor does not mean they cant shave. There are many tricks; they can still manipulate with scripts on FHGs, Potds and other sites, geotarget traffic, cut off cookies and so on.

If you wanna know some very good tips about avoiding shaving, hit me up on ICQ 217-240-358 and I will tell you how

I don't understand the logic either of offering high payouts knowing you have to shave your affiliates sales to afford the payouts. If affiliates are happy with it as some have stated here then the shaving will continue.

coolfuck · 11-23-2004, 07:50 AM

i think all of them shave.. not that i can prove it or something . .that what i think

Tam · 11-23-2004, 07:59 AM

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Originally posted by coolfuck
i think all of them shave.. not that i can prove it or something . .that what i think

Nahh.... not all of u s shave. But those of us that don't, we don't offer the insanely high payouts, so it's harder to compete with those that do. I know a few of the bigger ones don't, but a lot of them do.... and they are the ones that want to "look" big when they aren't. Those of us that don't shave, we payout what we can and still make a little cash and make sure you get credit for all sales as well.

Check out www.cswcash.com , we don't shave anything anywhere.. we offer you stats from the processor and our inhouse stats so that you can cross compare. If something doesn't match up somewhere on either end, you can damn well better believe I am going to be the first to demand to know why! You can choose your payout method with me as well... whether it be CCBill, Paycom, Epassporte or Wire payments...... the choice is all yours.

Dirty Dane · 11-23-2004, 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by Kevin2
I don't understand the logic either of offering high payouts knowing you have to shave your affiliates sales to afford the payouts. If affiliates are happy with it as some have stated here then the shaving will continue.

Happy or without knowledge.

I dont know about others, but I dont choose sponsors from which percental payout they offering. Most offer 50 %.

This hole focusing on % does not mean anything, except it "looks like a good deal", because in the end it is $/click that counts. Ratios are also meaningless to compare, if you dont calculate in the signup prices too.

So, some of my sponsors have 25 % payout, but $/click is better than many of the other 50 % sites.

XxXotic · 11-23-2004, 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by abyss_al
it's more like 30%

it's more like 50% and in pibcash's case most of the time it was 75%

ElvisManson · 11-23-2004, 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by Totemack

TotemCash: The hairiest and most reliable webmaster program around.

Considering Kourosh left a long time ago that is really scary.

Stephen · 11-23-2004, 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by rj2kix
if sponsors can only afford to pay out $20 a sale, why dont they just pay $20 a sale, instead of having outrageous payouts and shaving 50% of traffic, or 50% of signups.

Because you'll sign up a lot more affilates @ $40/ps than @ $20/ps

Of course, some folks will tell you they pay that without shaving by expertly handling exits, member's area upsells, and email collection boxes, etc.

Basic_man · 11-23-2004, 09:18 AM

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Originally posted by hydro
To attract people to the program, offering $50 per sale will get alot more people talking about your program.

For sure, but they will probably have "bad ratio" for sure ! Now, ask why !

Methodcash Rick · 11-23-2004, 09:56 AM

We don't shave, and we have PROOF..

Seriously tho. Saying that every sponsor shaves, just wreaks of ignorance.

11-23-2004, 01:34 AM	#1
rj2kix Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 928	why does every sponsor have to shave? if sponsors can only afford to pay out $20 a sale, why dont they just pay $20 a sale, instead of having outrageous payouts and shaving 50% of traffic, or 50% of signups. the bad thing is everyone in the industry does it. do we as webmasters just have to accept that "that's how things are" and move on with our traffic, knowing we are getting signups that arent paid on? this really frustrates me beyond belief

11-23-2004, 02:15 AM	#8
Major (Tom) Boomer Woffen Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Null Posts: 30,590	Not all companies shave man. with my program, a bad day is simply just a bad day. Cheers Duke __________________ My mother said, to get things done You'd better not mess with Major Tom

11-23-2004, 02:23 AM	#10
Kard63 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 237 619 975 Posts: 8,944	Seems like it would be bad for business. Market consolodation might actually help this issue. I wouldnt shave. __________________

11-23-2004, 06:30 AM	#14
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	sup rj __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

11-23-2004, 06:37 AM	#16
studio Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oshkosh, WI ICQ #251860879 Posts: 1,095	I don't know how one could shave when the program uses a 3 rd party for billing and stats tracking... Forget all these "pie in the sky" payouts! Join some rev. share programs and send traffic and get paid... They say, "You can lead a webmaster to the real money... but it's a bitch to make them take it!" With that said, Join and promote the girls of pineapplepink! Denny __________________

11-23-2004, 01:38 AM	#3
rj2kix Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 928	i dont run tgp galleries, dick it has nothing to do with my traffic or my sales of recent, its about the principle

11-23-2004, 01:41 AM	#4
hydro Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dirty 3rd Posts: 4,216	To attract people to the program, offering $50 per sale will get alot more people talking about your program.

11-23-2004, 01:46 AM	#6
hydro Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dirty 3rd Posts: 4,216	don't forget that the billing companies like to do thier own "scrubbing"

11-23-2004, 02:32 AM	#12
Fake Nick So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: go troll goo! Posts: 7,708	I love shaving

11-23-2004, 06:22 AM	#13
Ian Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,259	We don't shave.

11-23-2004, 06:43 AM	#17
Harmon ( ͡ʘ╭͜ʖ╮͡ʘ) Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 20,010	Find one of the numerous programs using NATS

11-23-2004, 06:53 AM	#18
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11-23-2004, 07:05 AM	#19
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	Not every sponsor shave - only those who cant make money without shaving - or the greedy ones In my opinion - saying "live with it" is totally BS. You don't have to live with it, because there are enough sponsors that dont shave and they deserve the traffic. All big serious affiliates who has promoted many sites know this, or should know it, and they stop promoting those sites. Yeah, its expensive to run a paysite, but I dont think they will live much longer when they start shaving. Rumors will cost more than they gain in shaving. Using 3rd part processor does not mean they cant shave. There are many tricks; they can still manipulate with scripts on FHGs, Potds and other sites, geotarget traffic, cut off cookies and so on. If you wanna know some very good tips about avoiding shaving, hit me up on ICQ 217-240-358 and I will tell you how

11-23-2004, 07:10 AM	#20
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	www.dieselaction.com we dont shave CCBill stats/payments for http://www.MashaWorld.com http://www.GroupSexVirgins.com http://www.IFuckThem.com and back to the question, most of PPS sponsors shave. I completely agree with Dirty Dane. They claim high payouts as an effort to gain webmasters normally they wouldn't start promoting their sites.

11-23-2004, 07:16 AM	#21
DavePlays Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: West (by God) Virginia Posts: 1,088	rj2kix - where in ohio are you from? __________________ THE BEST CONVERTING TGP If I were only going to submit to one TGP, it would be BOOK-MARK.NET.

11-23-2004, 07:23 AM	#22
Totemack Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 74	I can stand up with my pants down and tell you TotemCash don't shave! They're french, they're way too honest to shave! TotemCash: The hairiest and most reliable webmaster program around. __________________ Brian - Totemack - TotemCash.com Promote the hottest ladies stripping bare naked on PC desktops! [email protected] \| ICQ ME: 162712136

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11-23-2004, 09:56 AM	#31
Methodcash Rick Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,720	We don't shave, and we have PROOF.. Seriously tho. Saying that every sponsor shaves, just wreaks of ignorance.