Exactly. The quote is from the movie, Tony's response when they're in the detention camp and Manny tells Tony about hitting Rebenga for Frank Lopez.

1) Exacly, he declared only afteward. Don't you think that if the US supported him after he tried (successfully) to clean up his country by kicking out Bastida that he would have been a capitalist rather than a communist? He simply chose an ideology because that was the one that was going to help him rebuild.

2) How can you tax people who are poor, don't have jobs, and no economy?

Are you fucking kidding???

The guy was in kahoots with Kruschev to place nuclear missles 90 miles from the United States.

http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/vol46no1/CubaMap1b_w.jpg
http://multimedia.esuhsd.org/2000/ed...s/10019598.jpg
http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/vol46...misslesite.jpg

He has jailed an killed political prisoners. Go there and say "Fuck Castro" real loud and see if you don't find yourself in a cell somewhere.

Cuba was far from poor when He got it. It only became that way
after the USSR got done with them.

Your kidding me?


It is well known that anyone that opposses Castro is arrested and jailed, often times never seen again by family.

Only one thing you said is right...the education system there is good. Cuba is known to have the best medical schools in all of Central and Latin America!

As for him, yes he has a law degree, and his father took advantage of his mother and he was born! (father was rich mother was his cook!)

Thousands of Cubans leave...they all don't come to the US. There is a huge Cuban population in Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Colombia, Venezuela,& Panama.

If certain people don't protests it's because they can't. PEOPLE IN CUBA HAVE NO RIGHTS!! Over there you can't surf the internet, you can't study what you want, hell you can't legally leave the island....


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If the French were in the US running things and turning it into a wasteland, would you want to kick them out?

And after you did, and France wouldn't support you to rebuild in it's image, wouldn't you accept funds from wherever you could get them?

Russia offered to assist (obviously for political reasons). What would you have done?

I'm asking seriously. They have some of the best medical schools but don't allow you to study what you want? Seems strange.

Well if all those things are restricted it's definitely dictatorial.

Why don't we help the Cubans out instead of the Iraqi's. They're closer to us and it seems it would be easier to topple Castro than Iraqi insurgents.

I like how Mike scoffs off that whole little Cuban Missle Crisis by saying it was really the US's fault because we wouldn't help out a little communist island.

Like we forced their hand to aid in our utter and complete destruction and we should just move on from that and overlook the bad blood of the past. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

He is like Adolf Hitler reincarnation.:helpme

I didn't say it was our fault. We didn't put the missiles there. I'm saying don't you think Cuba only became communist out of necessity? If they didn't, today they'd look like an African country with no education and people starving to death.

Juke suggested they had money to be able to tax, so maybe they were doing fine. I don't know much about their financial situation immediately after Castro assumed power.

Mike
1 there was no Cuba before the US beat the Spanish and took
oner the island from the Spanish and gave the Cuban people the island.
2 when Castor took everything he took it from American investors on the island. voting investors so do you really think the US would help him
3 we have a treaty with the USSR to not invade Cuba that is what they got with the Cuban missile crises.

Most of you guys weren't around then and I was a little kid, but I remember everyone was ready to go to bomb shelters at a moments notice.

Military alert was raised to DEFCON 3 and instructions were given to be ready to launch nuclear ICBM's into the Soviet Union.

Twenty planes armed with nuclear bombs were also in the air ready to strike the USSR at exactly 7.00 p.m.

The next day, military alert was raised to DEFCON 2, the highest level ever in US history. The EAM notification, sent around the world, was purposefully left uncoded
so the Soviets would know just how serious the Americans were.

This was the closest we ever came to turning the entire planet into a nuclear wasteland.

Cool. Ok I'm getting better picture. Sorry, I just want to keep picking your brain.

1) Accepted

2) From what I understand, many if not most of these investors were actually mobs and although money came in, it was at the expense of the native population. Prostitution and gambling made money for the investors but not for the natives and having women having sex with johns everywhere didn't make it the most pleasant place to live. The impression I get is that it was a lot like Vegas except 100 times worse.

2) Interesting. How about now? The USSR has collapsed for over 10 years now. Can we not help Cubans now probably try our experiment there before going to Iraq?

every system takes it from the poor and gives it to the rich. were they starving NO.
WE will never help Cuba until the Cuban refuges that vote in the USA want us too. And they are very head strong, they would rather see all on the island die first.

You need to watch 2 movies: Scarface and 13 Days

He's a dictator and probably not the nicest guy but definitely no Hitler. Hitler wanted to take over the world, had a philosophy of racial superiority, huge army, was a world power, and exterminated millions of people.

That's my take on it. :Graucho

go ask some cubans in FL who risked their lives to get away from him

I like Castro :winkwink:

No...he chooses who goes to what schools. He chooses if you will be a doctor, lawyer, show shine guy...he controls everything that his people do....they don't have choices... :warning

But why did the US support the previous dictator Fulgencio Bastista? We approve of dictators so long as they are friendly with us?

Seems it's not the fact that he's a dictator why we don't like him or we wouldn't have supported any dictator in Cuba.

You have the power of knowledge at your finger tips, yet you chose to spout of at the mouth without knowing a fucking thing you are talking about.

First rule of debate: Knowledge is key. Know more than your opponent.

Tyranny is the same in all its shapes, even though sometimes it dresses in handsome names and grand deeds.

I totally agree.

So why did the US support the previous dictator Fulgencio Bastista? We approve of dictators so long as they are friendly with us?

Seems it's not the fact that he's a dictator why we don't like him or we wouldn't have supported any dictator in Cuba.

This is no debate, it's a question.

The U.S. supported Batista mainly for economic reasons. The millions of dollars (in 1950's money mind you) in contracts Batista gave to American contractors was a big factor. Unlike current U.S. policy, the U.S. wasnt in the habit of sticking our nose into other peoples business back then. Even in the 30's when Batista forced San Martín out of office, and fueding started, U.S. Ambassador Welles, stated to Batista "I will lay down no specific terms; the matter of your government is a Cuban matter and it is for you to decide what you will do about it." This of course is prior to the huge economic gains the U.S. received from Cuba.

Castro did not ask for Russias help because no other Country would help him. The revolution of 1959 was a Marxist one. Many Cubans realized that and fled the Country. Castro then seized all American assets. That was the start of economic sanctions placed on Cuba.

When Castro allowed our #1 enemy Khrushchev to build nuclear missles in Cuba, a mere 90 miles off of our coast, should we have just sat back and smiled?

Sorry bro. Watching The U.S. go to hell in a hand basket has made me a little punchy lately.

The hypocracy of the United States is that they maintain this hate for Castro, but line up to such China's dick.

Explain that one.

I guess they never teach you in 'merican classrooms about the nukes the US placed in Turkey.

Russian nukes in Cuba was retaliation.

I had the pleasure to personally meet Mr Abelardo Moreno, the minister of foreign affairs of Cuba.

I talked to him about 45 minutes, mostly about business, but also about politics.

I can't share everything with you though.

For more information , see this thread.

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...adid=390434&s=


Thomas

lol, Castro is harmless

Why don't you get on boat sneak over there and find refuge? You really sound like you love the guy and like the way he runs his country. Isn't the fact that he tried to incite the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. into a nuclear war enough to make everyone in the U.S. hate him? Your a douche! Later

Incite? From what it seems now, he was a pon in the game being played between the US and Russia. As somebody mentioned in this thread, we had bombs in Turkey. Should Russians hold a grudge against the Turkish today?

You're confusing "inquiry into" with "support for". I don't support dictators which is why it baffles me that we did support the one preceding Castro. I'm all for kicking him out to restore/start democracy for Cubans. Instead we sanction the powerless nation and everybody in it suffers, not Castro.

Too many people seem to accept our policy toward Cuba without even thinking about it.

np, I appreciate your post:thumbsup

Ah, Mikey, you aren't trying to gain knowledge....you are pretty much creatively trolling.

Because everytime someone sets you straight with facts, you reply with the "what if" question to excuse Castro's behavior or to air some doubt in the US's actions.

I just want to learn. Why is your mom a fucking whore? I'm serious, didn't she sleep with all those guys? No? Well, I'm sure she gave a few bjs, right?

I haven't seen anyone setting him straight with facts, just tired old rhetoric.

The bottom line is that there is no reason for the trade embargo against Cuba other than spite.

The USA should grow up and get over it and stop acting like a petulant child.

I see what you're saying. Perhaps I went about it wrong, but I really am trying to know why we have a policy toward Cuba and Castro. I have no excuse for Castro's behavior. What I'm saying is he was nothing amidst two world powers (back then the world had two powers, Russia and the US. Today it's only the US) and was used to serve Russia ends. I'm sure he could have told Russia not to build missles in Cuba just as Turkey could have told us not to place bombs there but you and I know with millions of dollars heads of state will let you do anything in their country.

I'm also saying it's now 2004, 10 years after the fall of Russia. Why don't we take Castro out instead of bleeding his people. He poses no threat, we'd win the war in a day, and the Cubans would thank us.

Ahhh, good ol Joe Citizen chimes in with his normal Anti-American rhetoric. :1orglaugh

Mike, we can't take out Castro as part of the treaty/deal signed with Russia. If we could, we would have.