I believe in two Gods.

Read the thread title.

You just said it yourself - evolution is just a theory.

How can a process that takes millions of years be observed in a 'controlled setting'?

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OMFG!!! Controlled setting? You realize evolution take a LONG fucking time. Also it wouldn't happen in a CONTROLLED setting, IDIOT. Species evolve to adapt to a changing enviroment. If their enviroment is the same( ie CONTROLLED ) of course the aren't going to evolve. There wouldn't be a point in it. Geesh!

I have better things to do that explain 3 grade science to a ignorant hypocritical Jesus freak that is in the porn business. OWNED is IGNORED form now on.

"If the universe was infinitely large than then there would be no end. If there was no end then there would be no beginning. There is only one "thing" that has no beginning and no end. He is the alpha and the omega. This would mean there are either two Gods and or there is no God. Since nether option could be valid because there is ONE true GOD the theory of the universe being infinite is to the best of my knowledge false."

- Einstein

Discussion on the Infinate Universe

Sure... so show me another scientific theory regarding origins.

Also, do you understand how the word 'theory' is used in a scientific context?

As far as I know creation of a planet in 7 days has not been replicated within a controlled setting either, not to mention bringing a dude back to life after 3 days...........

I guess you shouldn't believe any of that either then.

Translation: I've been throughly owned in this discussion. I don't have a single proven fact regarding the evolution.

Maybe this will help

http://gofuckyourself.com/member2.ph...user id=31500

"science" itself is a man-created consept.

Oh no, not this arguement again..

Not "Just" a theory. It is a theory.

Within the context of science, you have a hypothesis formed first. If you find enough evidence of the hypothesis then it graduates and becomes a theory....

Nice thing about science is that it is open to proof and disproof. A theory remains valid as long as it is not disproven. Once it is disproven it is invalid. If enough time passes and enough evidence is gathered for it and no disproof is found then it eventually becomes a law.

But even then, if it is proven wrong once it is invalidated.

The theory of evolution has been around for a pretty good stretch now and has yet to be disproven.

heres your proof, idiot:

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/member...&user id=7592

Anything that comes from a human's mouth or through a human's endeavours is a "man created concept". By the way, that includes religion.

"The terms "hypothesis", "model", "theory", and "law" have a different use in science to colloquial speech. Scientists use the term model to mean a description of something, specifically one which can be used to make predictions which can be tested by experiment or observation. A hypothesis is a contention that has not (yet) been well supported nor ruled out by experiment. A physical law or a law of nature is a scientific generalization based on empirical observations.

Most non-scientists are unaware that what scientists call "theories" are what most people call "facts". The general public uses the word theory to refer to ideas that have no firm proof or support; in contrast, scientists usually use this word to refer only to ideas that have repeatedly withstood test. Thus, when scientists refer to the theories of biological evolution, electromagnetism, and relativity, they are referring to ideas that have survived considerable experimental testing. But there are exceptions, such as string theory, which seems to be a promising model but as yet has no empirical evidence to give it precedence over competing models.

Especially fruitful theories that have withstood the test of time are considered to be "proven" in the scientific sense ? that it is true and factual but of course can still be falsified. This includes many theories, such as universally accepted ones such as heliocentric theory and controversial ones such as evolution, which are backed by many observations and experimental data. Theories are always open to revision if new evidence is provided or directly contradicts predictions or other evidence. As scientists do not claim absolute knowledge, even the most basic and fundamental theories may turn out to be incorrect if new data and observations contradict older ones.

Newton's law of gravitation is a famous example of a law falsified by experiments regarding motions at high speeds and in close proximity to strong gravitational fields. Outside of those conditions, Newton's Laws remain excellent accounts of motion and gravity. Because general relativity accounts for all of the phenomena that Newton's Laws do, and more, general relativity is currently regarded as our best account of gravitation."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

Is it still going on (evolution from simian to human)? Or has the evolution from simian to human stopped? And why? Also why did it start? I do understand animals learning and evolving to some degree based on adapting to surroundings and what not, but how the change to human? And yes to become a different species is dramatic.

It all boils down to this:

People who believe in religion are very unlikely to accept any theories that have been logically developed due to the fact that their beliefs have simply been "adopted", not learned.

I have foudn that debating logicially with someone who holds a faith based belief is pointless. There are always unlimited rebuttals they can pick out of a bag, because faith never requires empirical proof. What is proof? Well, we all make that judgement ourselves.

During my PhD, I examined the isotopic abundances of metal in a meteorite. The material was perviously dated pre-solar (4.5+, and that value could be disputed with some success). However, It's isotopic abundances were different than those found on our planet.

There is proof (according to Dusen) contrary to the claims of most religions right there. It formed in a different environment than our earth did. Proof that there was NOT one single creation in this universe.

But when you get down to it, there will never be any absolute proof for most faith arguists - as I said they can always claim false data or fallacious technique without requirement of support.

People believe what they believe. I think it is great that people get strength from religion. I have never felt the need to convince anyone in my life that what I believe is absolutely correct - I just wish others would follow my lead.

Scientific research that fails to explain its own beginnings. Methinks not young man, stay in your lane.

Have the Bible to a triple bypass surgery on your heart.


I like it when ultra right wing Christian people go to the doctor.


HAHAHAHA

Can you please repeat that in English?

I see satan has gotten to you.

http://www.jesusoftheweek.com/art/j2k3-15.jpg

"Hey OWNED, evolution is REAL! Jesus says so. Oh and you're going to hell for being in the porn biz."

I'm not.

Its not a sin. I dont do people any harm.

Occam's Razor: When multiple explanations are available for a phenomenon, the simplest version is preferred.

That to me explains why so many believe in Creationism.




Geology: The scientific study of the origin, history, and structure of the earth.
IE: Geology shows that fossils are of many different ages.


Paleontology: The study of the forms of life existing in prehistoric or geologic times, as represented by the fossils of plants, animals, and other organisms.
IE: Paleontology shows a fossil sequence, the list of species representing changes through the process of time.


Taxonomy: The classification of organisms in an ordered system that indicates natural relationships.
IE: Taxonomy shows biological relationships between and among all species.


Evolution: A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form, directly in relation to environment.
IE: Evolution is the explanation that threads it all together. It's not just another "Religion" as the Creationists will have you believe.


Creationism: Belief in the literal interpretation of the account of the creation of the universe and of all living things related in the Bible.
IE: The practice of closing a persons eyes shut and screaming "DOES NOT!"

OWNED, if you are trying to provide us with alternate theories to Newton's UNIVERSAL LAW OF GRAVITATION, you are a fucking idiot. If not, carry on with your little debate...

oh, and by the way

you don't get to make up what is and isn't a sin. closet homosexual child molestors who wear black robes and funny hats do. so sorry but you're going to hell.

Here is a current example of modern human evolution:

http://phreeque.tripod.com/grady_stiles.html

It's a tripod site, so GFY will probably kill it, but here we have a mutation that is passed on to future generations. That is all evolution is. If the mutation benefits the spreading of those genes, it will propagate - if it is of no benefit or detrimental to the spreading of those genes, the line will die off.

Evolution is as much a theory as is gravity.

Theory means a different thing in science as it does in common language.

GRAVITY IS NOT A THEORY, IT IS A SCIENTIFIC FUCKING LAW

It's not dramatic at all.

The process of speciation is a lengthy one.

Sorry, it is still just an unfalsified theory.

Look it up.

A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.

Tell NASA to look it up too

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/YBA/cyg...vitation3.html

Hell, that's not Christian doctrine...

That's Libertarian :)

Wow, this topic again. I'll be glad when mankind evolves. I'll also be glad when people learn the definition of the word "theory". It's not a guess, and it's not dogma. It also is not synonymous with "unproven".

Neanderthals were actually the same species as us but were a subspecies.

There was a degree of genetic transfer between Neanderthals (Homo sapiens neandertalensis) and Cro Magnon Man (Homo sapiens sapiens - modern humans), which means that some of the Neanderthal genetic code is alive and well within some humans today, albeit highly diluted.

Ultimately, the Neanderthals couldn't compete with the intelligent Cro Magnons and died out about 35,000-40,000 years ago, if memory serves.

It is also a theory. If you were to read my post which you quoted you would have notice the sentence "Theory means a different thing in science than it does in common language."

Humans are still the only species of life that are self-aware.

That's got to make you feel a bit special, even if it was just a freak accident of nature.

Sure it makes me feel special.... doesn't make me want to believe in fairy tales though.

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thanks, im well aware of the scientific process.

however, there is a scientific law which Newton formulated called the Law of Universal Gravitation. it is proven mathematically that there is such a thing as gravity -believe me, i'm not making it up.

if there's any doubt in your mind that it's not gravity holding your ass to that chair your sitting in, you need to go back to 3rd grade where you learned about the apple falling from the tree.

back to evolution...

radiation, temperature/climate changes and mutation. need i say more?

humans are always evolving. glitches in the dna code create various differences.. less visible now because there's more people now with different dna structures.. plus we dont marry our cousins anymore. but for example.. in the last few hundred years humans have grown almost a foot in height, and it is becoming more and more common that people are born without an appendix or wisdom teeth.

I'll ask you for the second time to reread what I wrote before.

A "theory" in science can still be fact. It doesn't mean the same as in layman speech.

Gravity has been proven by maths.
Evolution has been proven by observation, the fossil record, biochemistry, genetics, bio-mechanics, etc, etc, etc.

If you want to call the Theory of Evolution the Fact of Evolution or the Law of Evolution then do so. It is still true whatever it is called.

That's not entirely accurate. Other primates and certain mammals display a degree of self-awareness.

Humans are always evolving, but at a very slow pace now that we have huge control over our environment.

The growth of humans is little do to with evolution but has alot to do with optimisation of our genes by eating better food, better healthcare and sanitation and generally more healthy lifestyles.

For example, a man who lived 300 years ago may well have genes which coded for growth to 6' but because his diet was poor and he lived in an unsanitary environment he may have only reached the height of 5'8''.


Future factors governing the direction that human evolution will take will be such things as the possession of the religious gene. Those with it are less likely to procreate than those without it. This is being demonstrated in Iraq right now where those with the religious gene are being killed by Allied troops whilst those without it (who just want to live a peaceful life rather than trying to create an Islamic dictatorship) are generally surviving.

A theory and a law are two different thing in the scientific process. For a Theory to become a Law, it must be scientifically [iproven. There is proof behind theories, but the theory itself cannot be proven. If it was, it would become a law. All Laws start as Theories but not all Theories become Laws.

Bored aliens.

Just to poke the ant hill. God did it all in 7 days a few thousand years ago, satan made all the evidence to the contrary.

Where is your god when so many of his choosen creations made in his image are dying everyday. When religious zealots are killing in his name in violation of his laws?

I proclaim my god is Bacchus, lets have another drink and some naked women.

Evolution is accepted as fact to the same degree as is gravity by modern science, so call it what you will.

The religious freaks do not have a leg to stand on :)

God is bullsh*t.

But evolution fails to explain the millions of various creatures on earth. You have to consider:

1) Their would have to be millions of ideal conditions to have existed over millions of years for life to exist as a single cell and to "evolve" into other organisms. We all know how fragile life - you don't get enough energy in the form of food, water, or air - you're dead.

2) All so called examples of speciation are contentious. They are extremely rare and when they supposedly occur, it hardly seems like a new species is created. More like the same species with some slight changes. The fruitfly link posted in this thread is a good example of how we try to stretch the truth about findings to support the theory. And within the scientific community their is no agreement yet as to whether it occurs or not.

3) Much of the evidence that supports evolution can be used to support an alternate theory. That creatures as they exist today always existed in their current form. Whatever bones you find may be abberations or may be of species that died out long ago completely unrelated to those that exist today. What we do know is that man has been in his current form for thousands of years.

4) Evolutionary theory is supported for scientific as well as political reasons. We could bomb every other nation on earth tomorrow to have full control on earth, and at the end declare that it's an example of "the survival of the fittest" as a weak way to justify our actions. If you believe that you're somehow superior than others by virtue of evolution, you can sleep at night even if you're actually brutalizing your equals.

5) Looking out your front door and observing not only the millions of animals (birds, insects, germs, beasts, trees) and the trillions of cells it takes to make each one, but also the natural balance of things (predator/prey), one has to put their sheer faith in evolution theory because no amount of evidence thus far can allow an impartial mind to accept that a handful of cells that magically appeared led to the grandeur of life we see on earth.

6) Many examples of "evolution" are actually only examples of natural selection or recessive mutations that are passed off as evolution. Evolution is a positive force not a negative one. When they breed dogs to the point where they can hardly breed on their own, that's not an example of evolution. If everything evolved in that manner there would be no life on earth.