U.S. Marines Rally Round Iraq Probe Comrade

[CET]

U.S. Marines Rally Round Iraq Probe Comrade

"I can see why he would do it. He was probably running around being shot at for days on end in Falluja. There should be an investigation but they should look into the circumstances," said Lance Corporal Christopher Hanson.

If your'e stressed, it's OK to execute unarmed and wounded prisoners.

"I would have shot the insurgent too. Two shots to the head," said Sergeant Nicholas Graham, 24, of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. "You can't trust these people. He should not be investigated. He did nothing wrong."

Never mind breaking the Geneva conventions that forbid the unordered execution of POWs.

Marines have repeatedly described the rebels they fought against in Falluja as ruthless fighters who didn't play by the rules. They say the investigation is politically motivated.

Yeah, fuck the rules we hold ourselves to, let's just throw them away and play by whatever rules we feel like. The Geneva conventions are only holding us back from being complete barbarians and we want our turn to run loose and act like complete animals.

If this guy was stressed, then he shouldn't have been in a combat theatre and needs to be under observation. If he wasn't stressed, then he knowingly executed an unarmed and wounded prisoner. Either way, he needs to be taken out of theatre and put away for either mental treatment or criminal acts.

[CET]

A bump for those who give a shit.

[dropped9]

Ahhh I see we forget about

"About a block away, a Marine was killed and five others wounded by a booby-trapped body they found in a house after a shootout with insurgents."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...obe/index.html


Idiots.

[Fake Nick]

war shit happens it is that simple, if you cannot except that you live in your own little world

[donnie]

Originally posted by CET
A bump for those who give a shit.

Nobody does. I just hope Bin Laden can do 9/11 again. Payback bitch

[dropped9]

Originally posted by donnie
Nobody does. I just hope Bin Laden can do 9/11 again. Payback bitch

why dont you help him you fucking pussy.

[webmaster x]

Originally posted by donnie
Nobody does. I just hope Bin Laden can do 9/11 again. Payback bitch

that's sick man. you should be ashamed. another 9/11? that's cruel.

[donnie]

Originally posted by Headless
why dont you help him you fucking pussy.

Why aren't you in Iraq??

[Rob]

UNLESS YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN COMBAT THEN PLEASE - SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

[CET]

Originally posted by Fake Nick
war shit happens it is that simple, if you cannot except that you live in your own little world

Of course shit happens, but that doesn't make it right.

[CET]

Originally posted by HighOnAcid
UNLESS YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN COMBAT THEN PLEASE - SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

I have, have you? Does this mean that only combat veterans are allowed to discuss matters of war?

[woodman]

Your goddamn right that his buddies are going to stick up for him when the shit goes down. They may kick his ass in private but publically they have his back all the way.

Their lives depend on the other guy watching their back. You are fucking naive if you think they are going to publicly denounce him

[donnie]

Originally posted by webmaster x
that's sick man. you should be ashamed. another 9/11? that's cruel.

This is cruel



9/11 was nothing. You deserve much worse. Fucking terrorists.

[woodman]

what country u from donnie?

[Fake Nick]

Originally posted by CET
I have, have you? Does this mean that only combat veterans are allowed to discuss matters of war?

no this means only combat veterans can JUDGE a soldiers actions in the line of duty !


if a soldier is WAAAAY out of line another soldier would see this and tell him this , in this case it was wrong uncalled for , but he was NOT waaaaay out of line


he did what he thought was right at that moment, people make mistakes it is that simple,

[CET]

Originally posted by woodman
Your goddamn right that his buddies are going to stick up for him when the shit goes down. They may kick his ass in private but publically they have his back all the way.

Their lives depend on the other guy watching their back. You are fucking naive if you think they are going to publicly denounce him

I understand Marine mentality, I served with many of them. I sweat and bled next to marines. They are supposed to watch each other's back, but that does not extend into when one of them fucks up. You back up your buddies when you're in the field, in the gym, on the street, and most everywhere else. However you don't back someone up when they execute a wounded prisoner. You don't blindly back up your buddies regardless of what they do.

[CET]

Originally posted by Fake Nick
no this means only combat veterans can JUDGE a soldiers actions in the line of duty !


if a soldier is WAAAAY out of line another soldier would see this and tell him this , in this case it was wrong uncalled for , but he was NOT waaaaay out of line


he did what he thought was right at that moment, people make mistakes it is that simple,

Absolutely, people do make mistakes. However, we also hold ourselves accountable for our mistakes.

[donnie]

Originally posted by woodman
what country u from donnie?

Civilized country, where we don't kill children.

[PerfectionGirls]

How quickly people for Vietnem.

It happened hundreds of times a day there and people got medals for it. War is not pretty people and trying to make it a politically correct thing is ignorant.

People are going to die, even people that dont deserve it.

Get over it.

[woodman]

Originally posted by CET
I understand Marine mentality, I served with many of them. I sweat and bled next to marines. They are supposed to watch each other's back, but that does not extend into when one of them fucks up. You back up your buddies when you're in the field, in the gym, on the street, and most everywhere else. However you don't back someone up when they execute a wounded prisoner. You don't blindly back up your buddies regardless of what they do.

the difference is that I bet you didnt have fucking reporters imbedded with your group when you were sweating and bleeding with the marines asking you your opinion of what just went down in a hostile situation.

You would have been the one quoted as saying it was a violation of the genevea convention and it was wrong?

Or would you have preferred to deal with it internally without it unfolding before the entire world?

[woodman]

Originally posted by donnie
Civilized country, where we don't kill children.

probably just the unborn children

[Anthony]

The marines rally for their comrade. They UNDERSTAND what life is over there.

Threads and post like yours CET make me really doubt you have ever done any military service at all.

Not only are you a fucking asshole, you are also a lying piece of shit.l

It's one thing to be against this war, it is another to judge a member in arms in harms way.

Fucking cocksucker.

[Sly]

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were there. What's the latest scoop? How is the food?

And where are those that always scream about CNN being bull shit and nobody should blindly believe what's being shown because its all doctored? Suddenly everything reported on CNN is the straight up truth and there is no third side of the story?

He'll get his day in court.

[Tanker]

Originally posted by CET



If this guy was stressed, then he shouldn't have been in a combat theatre and needs to be under observation. [/B]

I dont know anyone that would not be stressed out in war

NOT ONE PERSON that after 30 minutes of engagement would walk away not stressed out

[CET]

Originally posted by woodman
the difference is that I bet you didnt have fucking reporters imbedded with your group when you were sweating and bleeding with the marines asking you your opinion of what just went down in a hostile situation.

You would have been the one quoted as saying it was a violation of the genevea convention and it was wrong?

Or would you have preferred to deal with it internally without it unfolding before the entire world?

That's a damn good question. I don't think I would have given an opinion, because I don't want to publically comdemn the guy next to me. That's an invitation to a blanket party to say the least.

[Sly]

Originally posted by CET
I understand Marine mentality, I served with many of them. I sweat and bled next to marines. They are supposed to watch each other's back, but that does not extend into when one of them fucks up. You back up your buddies when you're in the field, in the gym, on the street, and most everywhere else. However you don't back someone up when they execute a wounded prisoner. You don't blindly back up your buddies regardless of what they do.

How is Marine #476 supposed to know what happened more than you or I? He wasn't there. He didn't see what happened. What does his opinion even matter besides making great headlines?

[ColBigBalls]

i think the point here is the moral question...

How do you rationalize killing. How is a man who shot his daughters rapist being convicted of murder different then a soldier killing out of the loss of a comrade. Where is the moral line...?

All i knows is it wonts be settled on this message board.

[Rich]

Originally posted by woodman
probably just the unborn children

ahahahaha

[Anthony]

Originally posted by CET
That's a damn good question. I don't think I would have given an opinion, because I don't want to publically comdemn the guy next to me. That's an invitation to a blanket party to say the least.

Blanket party?

What fucking military movies have you been watching? Blanket parties don't happen after fucking bootcamp

You fucking liar.

Tell me again how you did combat ops in the Middle East.

[CET]

Originally posted by Tanker
I dont know anyone that would not be stressed out in war

NOT ONE PERSON that after 30 minutes of engagement would walk away not stressed out

Fair enough, but 30 minutes of engagement won't give someone shell shock. These days shell shock is called PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder). Also, this guy was released from being in medical custody the day before. I can't help but wonder if the doctors administered any sort of tests to find out if he was mentally stable enough to go back into the field.

[CET]

Originally posted by Sly
How is Marine #476 supposed to know what happened more than you or I? He wasn't there. He didn't see what happened. What does his opinion even matter besides making great headlines?

I'm simply arguing against the concept that Marines back each other up no matter what.

[CET]

Originally posted by ColBigBalls
i think the point here is the moral question...

How do you rationalize killing. How is a man who shot his daughters rapist being convicted of murder different then a soldier killing out of the loss of a comrade. Where is the moral line...?

All i knows is it wonts be settled on this message board.

Both are wrong. The rapist should go to prison where he will become somebody's bitch. That's a better pay back then a quick death from a bullet.

[Sly]

Originally posted by CET
I'm simply arguing against the concept that Marines back each other up no matter what.

Arguing the concept? This isn't a Marine thing. Its a human nature thing.

Police do it. Doctors do it. Teachers do it. Students. Pornographers. Salesmen. Computer techs.

People tend not to spit on those in similar situations. Try arguing human nature next time.

[Sly]

Originally posted by Sly
Arguing the concept? This isn't a Marine thing. Its a human nature thing.

Police do it. Doctors do it. Teachers do it. Students. Pornographers. Salesmen. Computer techs.

People tend not to spit on those in similar situations. Try arguing human nature next time.

A cop shoots a black man in the ghetto.

How do cops respond?

How do the blacks respond?

[codymc12]

Originally posted by donnie
Civilized country, where we don't kill children.

Right... but you applaud the death of 3000+ innocent civilians, many who were not American, and hope it happens again.

How civilized of you.

[CET]

Originally posted by Sly
A cop shoots a black man in the ghetto.

How do cops respond?

How do the blacks respond?

I understand your point and group mentality is part of human nature, but sometimes it goes against what is morally right and that's when group mentality needs to be broken.

[Sly]

Originally posted by CET
I understand your point and group mentality is part of human nature, but sometimes it goes against what is morally right and that's when group mentality needs to be broken.

And how exactly do you plan on doing that? By saying "this isn't right, we need to change the way HUMANS react and think!"

This isn't a perfect world. Never has been. Never will be. People stick up for their own. Always have, always will.

How many Germans fought against the Nazi's?

[Anthony]

CET is supposedly a Combat Ops Veteran of the Middle East.

He should understand about closing ranks, especially in the military.

I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions Cet.

Or jsut admit you lied.

[CET]

Originally posted by Sly
And how exactly do you plan on doing that? By saying "this isn't right, we need to change the way HUMANS react and think!"

This isn't a perfect world. Never has been. Never will be. People stick up for their own. Always have, always will.

How many Germans fought against the Nazi's?

We do that by accepting responsibility and living by the rule of law.

[Sly]

Originally posted by CET
We do that by accepting responsibility and living by the rule of law.

And remind me how this eliminates mob mentality?

GFY has a huge mob mentality problem. Maybe you can start working your miracles here.

[Tanker]

Marines will defend to the end thier comrades they rely on that in combat and in the rear everything marines do is based on a buddy system

[Joe Citizen]

Originally posted by Sly
And remind me how this eliminates mob mentality?

GFY has a huge mob mentality problem. Maybe you can start working your miracles here.

So you support lynch mobs do you?

[CET]

Originally posted by Sly
And remind me how this eliminates mob mentality?

GFY has a huge mob mentality problem. Maybe you can start working your miracles here.

This is something that each individual has to resolve themselves to do. I can't make anyone do anything, all I can do is hold myself to that standard and hope others follow my example.

[Sly]

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
So you support lynch mobs do you?

I prefer hangings myself.

[Tanker]

there will be an internal investigation and his commander will discipline him befor he gets that opportunity to go in front of a judge


you cannot be punished twice under the UCMJ Uniform code of military justice

I got my ass saved once thanks to this clause wasnt for somthing this bad but it saved my hide ;)

[canplayer]

The guy who got shot was obviously involved in a gunfight, and knowing that he was still alive and could be hiding a gun/explosives is haunting to anyone. If you're a marine and you have those thoughts in your head, it's either him or me, well you know what the choice will be.

Innocent civilian?? Wasn't Fallujah pretty much evacuated weeks ago leaving just rebels in the city. I think the probability is pretty high that whoever was shot killed in that video was involved just before in an attack against troops or at one point had a gun firing at troops. NOW for all the hating retards out there, think of this. If this guy was a rebel, which, in all likelyhood he was, he at one point was firing a gun at US troops. He got what he deserved, plain and simple. I wouldn't have ANY mercy for anyone who pointed a gun at me. Let me tell you something else, if I had to make a quick choice on whether I make sure this poncho is dead, or have him take my life with his bomb belts/hidden guns, you damn be sure that he's going to hell first.

[CET]

Originally posted by Tanker
there will be an internal investigation and his commander will discipline him befor he gets that opportunity to go in front of a judge


you cannot be punished twice under the UCMJ Uniform code of military justice

I got my ass saved once thanks to this clause wasnt for somthing this bad but it saved my hide ;)

Actually, you can be punished twice. He can go to captain's mast (or GQ) as well as a courts martial. His commanding officer does not have the authority to punish him for executing a wounded prisoner. He does have the authority to punish him for a more minor offense.

[CET]

Originally posted by canplayer
Innocent civilian?? Wasn't Fallujah pretty much evacuated weeks ago leaving just rebels in the city.

1. Not all civilians left, lots of them refused to evacuate.

2. Even if he was a combatant, he was unarmed, wounded and detained by previous troops, which that later platoon was relieving. That's still executing a prisoner, which is against the Geneva conventions.

[Sly]

Not trolling, just genuinely curious because I don't know how I would respond. If they found a bomb on this guy afterwards, would your reaction be any different?

[donnie]

Originally posted by codymc12
Right... but you applaud the death of 3000+ innocent civilians, many who were not American, and hope it happens again.

How civilized of you.

You are the terrorists. You are killing children in Iraq. WHY????
For every child you kill I hope 1 million of you will die. The world would be a better place without you fucking uneducated/bible/christian/pedo mothefuckers.