John Titor - Timetraveler

[vixm]

John Titor - Timetraveler from 2036

He posted on a bunch of bulletin boards in 2000 and 2001 that he was a time traveler from 2036.

He made a bunch of predictions :: so far they've all come true. like the ground zero suicide, patriot act, so on . . .

His next prediction is Olympics being cancelled in 2004 and a Civil War in the US in 2005.

Titor claimed to be a serving soldier who was recruited to a governmental time travel project. He was supposedly sent from 2036 back to 1975 to retrieve an IBM 5100 computer which he claimed was needed to overcome a Unix bug - Unix-based machines would no longer function after 2038 - a known bug related to the 32-bit nature of the Unix clock.

Read More

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor

http://www.anomalies.net/time_travel/john.html

http://www.johntitor.com/

What do you all think?


Image of the Time Travel Unit

This is a picture taken in the fall of 2035 during my training. It shows my instructor beaming a handheld laser outside the vehicle during operation. The beam is being bent by the gravitational field produced outside the vehicle by the distortion unit. The beam is visible through smoke that is coming from his cigar.


The time travel device

The time travel device

The time travel device


This is the same model of computer John took back to the future. Its an IBM Series 5100

There's even a book published on Amazon!

[European Lee]

Welcome to 4 years ago

Regards,

Lee

[vixm]

Originally posted by European Lee
Welcome to 4 years ago

Regards,

Lee

Yeah but his WMD prediction came true

Also as John said, 2004 US elections will bring civial unrest, the Olympics will be cancelled in 2004 and Waco-Like events will start in 2005.

I read the Wikipedia story ... scary shit!

[European Lee]

Originally posted by vixm
Olympics will be cancelled in 2004

OMG we better go back in time to re-write history then

Regards,

Lee

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally posted by vixm
Yeah but his WMD prediction came true

Also as John said, 2004 US elections will bring civial unrest, the Olympics will be cancelled in 2004 and Waco-Like events will start in 2005.

I read the Wikipedia story ... scary shit!

ummm the olympics werent cancelled , and anyone can predict civil war watch..

the great smokey predicts future civil unrest and violence.


see.

everything else substantial has many years to come. and has been predicted before

[SmokeyTheBear]

but a few mistakes he made are easiy spotted.

like his time travel machine that he shows pictures of him and his instructor in 2036 shooting a laser out the window.. ( the window of a 1970's sedan )

im sure ge and the us military built a time machine in the future inside an old beater lol

[oldnewbie]

Originally posted by vixm
the Olympics will be cancelled in 2004

[mastermikex]

if i remember correctly, it wasn't that the olympics would be cancelled in 2004, but that the olympics would not be held again after this year

[the indigo]

Originally posted by mastermikex
if i remember correctly, it wasn't that the olympics would be cancelled in 2004, but that the olympics would not be held again after this year

Exactly.

That means we have to wait until 2008 to see if it's true or not.

[Sambo]

Originally posted by mastermikex
if i remember correctly, it wasn't that the olympics would be cancelled in 2004, but that the olympics would not be held again after this year

yep......

[mastermikex]

actually we will only have to wait till 2006...the winter olympics are supposed to be held in italy...i'm sure he didn't just mean the summer olmypics would be cancelled after 2004

[AkiraSS]

The pic with the laser was proven it's fake.

A fluorescent string was used...

[vixm]

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
but a few mistakes he made are easiy spotted.

like his time travel machine that he shows pictures of him and his instructor in 2036 shooting a laser out the window.. ( the window of a 1970's sedan )

im sure ge and the us military built a time machine in the future inside an old beater lol

He originally went back to the 75 that's why he has a 70's sedan. Cant have a 2036 Corvette in 1970.

You all need to read the links ;)

[Varius]

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
but a few mistakes he made are easiy spotted.

like his time travel machine that he shows pictures of him and his instructor in 2036 shooting a laser out the window.. ( the window of a 1970's sedan )

im sure ge and the us military built a time machine in the future inside an old beater lol

Maybe that was all that was left in a post-nuclear world


I've read lots of this guy's posts in the past though (pun intended), and they are entertaining atleast.

I just hope his "interesting" notion for 2012 is the return of Atlanteans like in a dream I had

[Lykos]

Originally posted by European Lee
Welcome to 4 years ago

[bestwaysex]

Originally posted by vixm
a Civil War in the US in 2005.

You dont' have to be from the future to know this. My buddy was speaking of this just the other day..

[keyboard warrior]

just seen the site forum
http://communities.anomalies.net/cgi...tart_po int=0

they say john titor is a fake to boost there website traffic.

[bestwaysex]

Time travel is not possible.

It doesn't work like in the movies. On top of that, 2036 is not even far enough into the future for humans to get smart all of a sudden and invent a time machine.

Nobody would risk changing the timeline to make sure Unix works... but that's only IF time travel was possible.

If people were traveling back in time, you would see things that don't make sense to you.

Good laugh though

[VeriSexy]

Anyone watch the movie "Twelve Monkeys" ?

[Bigjohn]

The guy's a quack... although his writings do make for a fun read

[dozey]

Is that the corner of a steering wheel I see in his time travel machine?

[Varius]

Originally posted by dozey
Is that the corner of a steering wheel I see in his time travel machine?

Well he might have to make a left or a right in the timestream

[CET]

If he's a time traveler from the future, sent back to find an IBM 1500, then:
[list=1][*]Why did he spend so much time on the internet in chatrooms? That has almost nothing to do with finding a computer.[*]Why did they need a physical computer from the past. All the specs for it exist and it would be much easier to build that simple computer then to build a time machine and risk screwing up the world.[*]Why did they need an IBM 1500 to fix a UNIX bug? UNIX is a very simple operating system.[*]Why do the people from the future need specific hardware to fix a software problem? Go find a freakin programmer for cryin out loud.[/list=1]

I don't buy it. I'm skeptical of extra ordinary claims without extra ordinary evidence, and there's too many problems with his story.

[Argoz]

Originally posted by VeriSexy
Anyone watch the movie "Twelve Monkeys" ?

Good movie!!!!

[volante]

Originally posted by bestwaysex
Time travel is not possible.

Do you remember what you were doing last week? If time travel wasn't possible, you'd still be doing it.

[CET]

Originally posted by bestwaysex
Time travel is not possible.

According to modern physics that is true, but that does not make it true or that physicists may discover how to make time travel possible.

[bestwaysex]

Originally posted by volante
Do you remember what you were doing last week? If time travel wasn't possible, you'd still be doing it.

It's one thing to move along with time, it's another thing to find a way to reverse ONLY YOURSELF back into time. If time travel into the past WAS possible, you would be reversing the clock, resulting in EVERYTHING being backtracked.

Ofcourse we all want to BELIEVE it is possible, because it would be so "cool".. but reality is that something like that is not possible, atleast not for another couple hundred years.. if mankind can survive that long, and with the way this world is going.. i'm not too sure that we would last that long.

[bestwaysex]

Originally posted by CET
According to modern physics that is true, but that does not make it true or that physicists may discover how to make time travel possible.

If time travel was possible, that would mean that we are being visited by future human beings.. which would result in spontaneous changes in our surroundings that were unexplainable.

[untitled]

Originally posted by bestwaysex
If time travel was possible, that would mean that we are being visited by future human beings.. which would result in spontaneous changes in our surroundings that were unexplainable.

so iraq really did have wmd's!!!!!!!!!!! i KNEW ITT!!11

[CET]

Originally posted by bestwaysex
If time travel was possible, that would mean that we are being visited by future human beings.. which would result in spontaneous changes in our surroundings that were unexplainable.

How do you know that? Maybe this is the time line that was created by that visit. Further, if things spontaneously changed around us, then so would we, which means we would have no memory or record of the change.

[Varius]

Since time is a man-made concept, time travel will become possible once an accepted definition comes around

[Icon]

I thought he used a Dolorean. But that pic looks like the Flux Capacitator...hurry Marty......

[Rantan]

Originally posted by CET
How do you know that? Maybe this is the time line that was created by that visit. Further, if things spontaneously changed around us, then so would we, which means we would have no memory or record of the change.

we wouldn't have any memory of the change because speaking in quantum terms, we would simply begin down a new path in the timeline.

[CET]

Originally posted by Varius
Since time is a man-made concept, time travel will become possible once an accepted definition comes around

Only in the sense of how we divide it and measure it. Time is one of the 4 dimensions universally accepted by physicists.

[Shoplifter]

Originally posted by AkiraSS
The pic with the laser was proven it's fake.

A fluorescent string was used...

Needless to say anything projecting enough gravitational force to bend light so abruptly would also be bending a lot of other things. One could only imagine what would happen to the interior of a car. Clearly BS.

[Varius]

Originally posted by CET
Only in the sense of how we divide it and measure it. Time is one of the 4 dimensions universally accepted by physicists.

I learn something everyday

However on that note, I don't believe anybody at present time is mentally able to actually comprehend or explain time.

If you believe the theories that we use only ~6-8% of our brains, maybe we can comprehend the true concept of time as a dimension around 20%

[CET]

Originally posted by Varius
I learn something everyday

However on that note, I don't believe anybody at present time is mentally able to actually comprehend or explain time.

If you believe the theories that we use only ~6-8% of our brains, maybe we can comprehend the true concept of time as a dimension around 20%

That's pretty well debunked too. From what I understand, we only use around 10% at any given time. However, over all we use most of our brain's power.

[bestwaysex]

Originally posted by CET
How do you know that? Maybe this is the time line that was created by that visit. Further, if things spontaneously changed around us, then so would we, which means we would have no memory or record of the change.

If that person came back.. that means this timeline is UNCHANGED.. because it has already happened in his history.

The only way it were possible is that if someone came, it would change everything automatically.. and a parallel universe was created.. where the new changes took effect and we continued as we are now, in our own.

It gets really confusing

Let me try to clarify it a bit..

Assume that someone comes from the future and you meet him.. as time goes on and you reach the point where the person you met came from, you would suddenly disappear because in that time, it was HIM who went back in time and you didn't exist then.. therefore you would already know what was going to happen in the future.

It would be a giant loophole that we would be stuck in and would not be able to move forward in time.

To me, time would start to reverse when our universe starts to compress instead of expanding.. and who knows when that is going to happen.

[bestwaysex]

What he changed in the past has already happened so he cant do it so he cant go to the past and do it so it never happened

Get it?

[volante]

Originally posted by bestwaysex
To me, time would start to reverse when our universe starts to compress instead of expanding.. and who knows when that is going to happen.

Never - the expasion of the universe is accelerating, not decelerating.

[bestwaysex]

Originally posted by volante
Never - the expasion of the universe is accelerating, not decelerating.

Yep..

If the universe was to contract, everything would collide..

But our neighboring galaxy "Andromeda" is heading towards the milky way at 250,000MPH as we speak

[CET]

Originally posted by bestwaysex
If that person came back.. that means this timeline is UNCHANGED.. because it has already happened in his history.

The only way it were possible is that if someone came, it would change everything automatically.. and a parallel universe was created.. where the new changes took effect and we continued as we are now, in our own.

It gets really confusing

Let me try to clarify it a bit..

Assume that someone comes from the future and you meet him.. as time goes on and you reach the point where the person you met came from, you would suddenly disappear because in that time, it was HIM who went back in time and you didn't exist then.. therefore you would already know what was going to happen in the future.

It would be a giant loophole that we would be stuck in and would not be able to move forward in time.

To me, time would start to reverse when our universe starts to compress instead of expanding.. and who knows when that is going to happen.

Let's not get TOO deep into this, because over examination of this stuff can give me a headache.

We can use the concept of superpositions from quantum physics. Whenever there is a choice, an alternate universe is created for each possible choice. We have to determine which universe we are in by determining which choice was made. If we are visited by an individual from the future, we have a superposition where an alternate universe is created. The universe we exist in is the one where that individual made the trip and if he does anything that changes the future then our time line is altered appropriately.

This brings up the idea of predestination. Is his universe already existant and dependant on the changes the time traveler made? Then he was destined to make that trip and do that thing, therefore there is no freewill. If he is not destined to do what he did, then his timeline changes and we do have freewill. He may or may not be directly affected by the change. If he is, then he ceases to exist in our time, which creates a paradox. We are back at not having freewill and we are stuck with predestination.

This may be one of the philosophical reasons that it is said that time travel is not possible. It would be too easy to create paradoxes and the laws of physics cannot live in contradiction to themselves, because that would break the logical law of non-contradiction.

[bestwaysex]

Originally posted by CET
Let's not get TOO deep into this, because over examination of this stuff can give me a headache.

We can use the concept of superpositions from quantum physics. Whenever there is a choice, an alternate universe is created for each possible choice. We have to determine which universe we are in by determining which choice was made. If we are visited by an individual from the future, we have a superposition where an alternate universe is created. The universe we exist in is the one where that individual made the trip and if he does anything that changes the future then our time line is altered appropriately.

This brings up the idea of predestination. Is his universe already existant and dependant on the changes the time traveler made? Then he was destined to make that trip and do that thing, therefore there is no freewill. If he is not destined to do what he did, then his timeline changes and we do have freewill. He may or may not be directly affected by the change. If he is, then he ceases to exist in our time, which creates a paradox. We are back at not having freewill and we are stuck with predestination.

This may be one of the philosophical reasons that it is said that time travel is not possible. It would be too easy to create paradoxes and the laws of physics cannot live in contradiction to themselves, because that would break the logical law of non-contradiction.

My head hurts

I think one could argue back and forth about it and achieve nothing. Good points though

[CET]

Originally posted by bestwaysex
My head hurts

I warned you!

[OzMan]

Originally posted by CET
Let's not get TOO deep into this, because over examination of this stuff can give me a headache.

We can use the concept of superpositions from quantum physics. Whenever there is a choice, an alternate universe is created for each possible choice. We have to determine which universe we are in by determining which choice was made. If we are visited by an individual from the future, we have a superposition where an alternate universe is created. The universe we exist in is the one where that individual made the trip and if he does anything that changes the future then our time line is altered appropriately.

This brings up the idea of predestination. Is his universe already existant and dependant on the changes the time traveler made? Then he was destined to make that trip and do that thing, therefore there is no freewill. If he is not destined to do what he did, then his timeline changes and we do have freewill. He may or may not be directly affected by the change. If he is, then he ceases to exist in our time, which creates a paradox. We are back at not having freewill and we are stuck with predestination.

This may be one of the philosophical reasons that it is said that time travel is not possible. It would be too easy to create paradoxes and the laws of physics cannot live in contradiction to themselves, because that would break the logical law of non-contradiction.

Great post


I think the Laws of Physics do not exclude physical time travel.
It was recently proven that time and space do indeed bend or warp near large masses using a couple lasers in space.

I also think that free will and infinite possibilities can co exist.

Please do not reply, I only have four tylenol left


edit: I believed Titor right up until I found out he DIDN'T use a De Lorean, now that is just TOO far fetched

[Centurion]

Originally posted by CET
How do you know that? Maybe this is the time line that was created by that visit. Further, if things spontaneously changed around us, then so would we, which means we would have no memory or record of the change.

WOW! maybe he DID mess up the "timeline".
Go a LONG ways towards explaining some of the people & their posts on gfy!

[Centurion]

Originally posted by bestwaysex
If that person came back.. that means this timeline is UNCHANGED.. because it has already happened in his history.

The only way it were possible is that if someone came, it would change everything automatically.. and a parallel universe was created.. where the new changes took effect and we continued as we are now, in our own.

It gets really confusing

Let me try to clarify it a bit..

Assume that someone comes from the future and you meet him.. as time goes on and you reach the point where the person you met came from, you would suddenly disappear because in that time, it was HIM who went back in time and you didn't exist then.. therefore you would already know what was going to happen in the future.

It would be a giant loophole that we would be stuck in and would not be able to move forward in time.

To me, time would start to reverse when our universe starts to compress instead of expanding.. and who knows when that is going to happen.

You just seriously messed up a large segment of the gfy population who just grabbed their bowl and said "Oh wow man. I think I understand!"

Their therapy bill is going to be heavy duty!

[xenophobic]

quote:
Titor claimed to be a serving soldier who was recruited to a governmental time travel project. He was supposedly sent from 2036 back to 1975 to retrieve an IBM 5100 computer which he claimed was needed to overcome a Unix bug - Unix-based machines would no longer function after 2038 - a known bug related to the 32-bit nature of the Unix clock.

This is referring to the Epoch bug, which is set to hit UNIX around 2038 will it be an event? or the next Y2k is unknown.

http://www.2038.org

[hydro]

time travel is possible you just have to treat it as the 4th dimension but you could only travel back to when a time machine existed and nothing before that

[mastermikex]

i think what Titor was saying was that going back in time was no problem at all. Paradoxes don't and can't exist. For example, if you went back in time and killed your father before you were born, nothing would happen because you are existing in another timeline. in YOUR timeline, your father is still alive. His time travelling operates on the theory that every single possible outcome in the world has happened and is happening at this moment. In one timeline, i'm not writing this. Instead i'm whacking off or something. and so on and so on. Its much like that tv show "sliders". If i was go to back in time right now, then i would be in the timeline where i went back in time. At the same time, another timeline exists where i didn't go back in time. get it? good :D