Another sane person. :thumbsup

lmfao, you know you're in big trouble when you're calling Pathfinder sane.

I don't disagree that those who abuse their position and break the rules need to be fired, but that's not what's going on. What's going on is a round of firings based on political sway, not job performance.

If there's no wall between the administration and the intelligence agency, then it's not an intelligence agency, it's a propaganda department.

That of course is exactly what would not be going on. A purging would apply only to those that...based upon their individual political sway...attempted to subvert Administration Policy. If you think that they are going to fire all of those of another polictical party...you are just foolish.

You truly are a sheep. That's scary.

Exactly. They already have enough of those.

You didn't read the article.

Don't waste your time. :2 cents:

There is a wall. CIA emloyees are protected by Civil Service employee regs...within the confines of the various oaths/contracts they signed...upon employment by the Agency. They cannot be fired...willy nilly.

50 plans..

You contradicted yourself. First you admitted that they're being fired over political sway. Then you denied people are being fired over what political party they belong to.

You already admitted that they're being fired "willy nilly".

So you're sticking with the "Associated Press is a commie rag" line.

Good choice, denying is the best way to avoid looking completely stupid. You still look stupid, but not quite AS stupid. Apologizing is much worse, RocHard for example, look how stupid his comments are. "We lost, get over it", lol. Yes winning an election entitles the President to get ride of anyone in the intelligence community who doesn't agree with his ideology. Just every day stuff... If you're living in communist Russia.

Of course I read the article...and if there are agents of the CIA that have been attempting to subvert Administration Policy (no matter what their polictical party may be) they should be fired. They are not policy makers...the Administration is the policy maker...and they are required by law...no matter what their personal position and/or polictical persuasion...not to attempt to subvert Administration Policy...and in certain circumstances can be criminally prosecuted for said action.

Yep every single person known to disagree with the war and the intellegence Bush was saying was accurate is being tossed on his ass for being RIGHT!

Directors in the agency for decades gone.

If your not willing to lie to benifit Bush's plan for world dominancy, then your not welcome to work for our intellegence agency. Truth and facts are frowned upon by the good ol U S of A

Wrong.

Wrong.

You know what, I'm getting tired of trying to tell that shit to dumb americans. It's always the same waste of time.

It's like telling them hey 1+1 = 2 and they always believe it's still 3. Fuck that.

Rochard that is a moronic statement. Your disagreeing on how to distribute porn is quite different from not agreeing with your boss on what you know is false bullshit lies thats going to end up fucking up your entire country and countless thousands of ours and other countries lives all over money.

When your the CIA, and you got a governement using their intellegince as gospel as to what we do to protect our country and citizens, your damn fucking rights I expect people who disagree with the bullshit being created to speak up.

Our desire to let our president do what he wants unquestioned is turning us into the biggest dictatorship of them all.

To simplify the issue...CIA agents are basically in the same position that Military Officers are in...they cannot subvert the policies of their Commander In Chief or they will be fired...the most famous firing being General MacArthur by then President Truman.

The CIA works for the Administration and no matter their personal feelings or political persuasion they cannot subvert the policies of the President...without consequences.

your new gestapo? :)

In the first place it is a quote by an unkown source (may or may not be the truth...the whole truth...and nothing but the truth). In the second place anyone that was attempting to subvert the Administrations policies...should be fired...as that is not their job.

Obviously you completely misread it. I quote it again...

It's not saying that the White House is getting rid of people who are both obstructing the president's agenda and liberal Democrats. It says that the White House has ordered the purging of people who are obstructing the president's agenda AND of people who are liberal Democrats.

That's not why they're being fired. If subversion and neglegence of duty were a problem, they would already be fired and there would be no need for a "purge".

Nice rationalization. :thumbsup

He's not going to get it.

1. It is a courts martial offense to obey an illegal order.

2. It is not the intelligence community's job to support policy, but to give the best intelligence possible. If that intelligence goes against policy, then by firing intelligence agents Bush is shooting the messanger.

theKing:

Someone can't be fired willy nilly?? :-) Want a bet on that??

It happens every day the world over - for all kinds of reasons. The CIA is not some organisation that is immune to real life.

On the thread in general... sure, there is a continuance of an idiots agenda and underlying removals of as much of a real democracy as is left.

The CIA have had problems and these were high profile, however that is not an excuse by a load of political trash to politicise this - it's the damned intelligence services we are talking about, - not some sniping at an opponent during election time.

It's clearer by the day this Admin are totally alien to anything of this world and the degree of ineptitude surpasses almost any other country.

Tho these people were elected - so what's the problem in the US? You get what you vote for - another four years of lunacy and financial ruin.

Not rationalization...you...to put it simply...lied about what I posted.

BULLSHIT! That's bullshit and you know it. I quoted you and described how you contradicted yourself, and that's it.

Watch the accusations, you are perilously close to slander.

Folks actually concerned about GFY's military advisor?? :winkwink:

All ya will get outta King is a playing on words, some mind games and semantics.

It's not worth the effort - King would make an attempt at defending the devil if he was in the Whitehouse. (That may be another point of discussion tho)

There is an illness when it comes to "defending" any country to this degree...

No country on this planet qualifies for that level of defense by it's citizens.

I've got the bit torrent, but I can't get a connection. Anyone else have that problem?

bingo

What does number one have to do with the issue at hand?

As to your number two statements...it is the intelligence community's job to support Administration Policy...in the sense that they do not do anything to subvert Administration policy. It is also their job to provide the best intelligence possible...and seldom is there 100% agreement among the analylists of our 15 intel agencies...thus consensus comes into play. If an agent were not among the consensus and took it upon himself to attempt to subvert Administration Policy then he should be "purged". I repeat...if you think that all of the "liberal Democrats" are going to be purged from the CIA...you are foolish.

yes

You used a partial statement...thus you lied...period.

Number one describes how one is not supposed to blindly follow orders.

It is NOT intel's job to support the president, it is their job to serve the people by providing the president with the best intelligence possible.

It's not like that's what was reported.

theking
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Consider this conversation and all future ones over, you twisted lying irrational fuck.

Edit: There is a difference between taking someone out of context and highlighting the specific relevant bits. If you can't tell the difference, then you're simply not worth talking to anymore. I should have done this when you kept making endless copy/paste posts onto the evolution thread that were 3-6 pages long.