my final post on this thread cuz i gotta go.


i just believe War is not a solution, furthermore its gonna cost lives and money. The justice has to be done with other ways. The terrorists and their supporters shouldnt get away with this. We are developed enough to find better solutions for this. Iraq/Iran or other middle east countries are the ones who try to solve the problems with wars.

we are modern people, this is how we should act too.

PEACE i am outta here

regards,
Lane

Lane...are you on drugs at this moment? The U.S. is not the strongest country in the world for playin' tiddley winks w/ our enemies! We make sure it's known that we are NOT to be fucked with! Whining & crying about world oeace will get you or anyone else NOwhere!

I think maybe your next vacation should be Afganistan. Write us...tell us how it was! http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

Okay...what's your solutiuons? It's already cost lives & money!

As a veteran recently leaving the military I have a few words myself!

1. as a former security forces serving in the marines. you have to let the countries that harbor terrorist know that we are not going to tolorate it.. if we bomb the Afgans we are not going to launch strikes on hosptals and non military or terrorist targets we are going to hit the terrorist and the military hard though! there will be one hell of a lot less innocents dieing in afganistan then died on the 11th in NYC...

And by bombing them it will make other terrorist harboring assholes realize that it will not be worth it to harbor them...

2 as a former Tanker in the Marines and Army
in some of the most deployed units in the service...

Lane the military is designed as a deterent designed to make another country or organization think twice about attacking.. however when attacked it should be able to strike back fast and hard to once again become a deterent.. seeing that we were attacked and they got away with it so far they dont see attacking as a hard thing to do.. we now have to attack back and let them see that we can kick there asses....

As for we should just be a defense NO NO NO
if we just become a defense that means they have to come back here and attack again and again on our home turf!! they know where we are and how to get to us if we go on the offense they have to become the ones on the move constantly trying to keep from getting there asses stomped... we cannot sit back like cowards and watch them bomb us when ever they feel like it and being terrorist we are not going to know all the time where they are..

They come to the country become citezens and live amongst us for years some join the military some become police officers some are teachers and doctors and then because of there beliefs and training befor they got here many years ago.. Instantly turn and attack and we have no clue about it untill its happened

We are not watching them, they are productive members of society only deep down they are covert and just waiting for the signal....


anyway I thing sitting back in a defense is not the way to go we should take offensive measures Soldiers are not innocent people they are soldiers airman sailors Marines Sworn to uphold and defend this great nation against all enemies and they do a hell of a good job with what little they get some make less then 1200 dollars a month with families.. I know I was there and they will defend us and our way of life... and they will go into that country and kick ass and ensure that terrorist harboring nations will think twice before knowingly let terrorist hide within there borders

Sorry for the ranting and who knows how much I just said 2 or 3 times over But I had to say it

I am proud to be an american as I know are the rest country





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CDSmith I don't know if that answer was for me.
But do you really think that is paceful arm them to attack another country?
Like USA do with Irak to attack Iran, or to Osama Ben Ladem to Attack Russians in afghanistan.
Is that a peaceful way?
If so, Wow! I must be really insane!

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if the WTC attack was carried out when US was at peace with the terrorists, wonder what will happen when you start attacking them..

havent you (US) people learned anything from your history? what happend when you tried to kill off communism in Vietnam? the VC used gerilla warfare tactics. what happend? you lost.

what do you think will happen when the enemy have a whole world to use for their gerilla warfare? do you think that you will win that?

now this post may seem anti-american to the witchhunters, but im just stating facts. if GW decides to attack afganistan, the terrorists will go underground and counterattack. then what?

thats one of the resons that im against a conventional war...

I quote:

"...the end of terrorism may result from one or more of the following situations:

Success. The terrorists may have accomplished their objectives...

Preliminary success. A corollary to achieving objectives is having at least achieved public recognition for an organization and the cause it espouses...

Organizational breakdown. Terrorist organizations, like any organizations, must constantly work to maintain themselves. If recruiting dries up, or if funding becomes unavailable, the organization may be unable to sustain itself...

Dwindling support. Organizations may lose the support of their various constituencies--the populations they seek to represent or the governments or other organizations that support them...

New alternatives. At times, other options for political change emerge. They can include more traditional forms of warfare or revolution, mass protests, or political negotiations..."

Do you believe any of those apply to Bin Laden, in particular? They might apply to Western terrorists, but I'm afraid they have no relevance to the issue at hand.

And I don't believe for a moment that this will be a conventional war. It has to be unconventional because the threat itself is unconventional. The term "war" is being used loosely. We'll all have to see what that means in practise.

Damn Swedes! Ergen, sporgen, dirgen, dorken!
Relax everyone...I'm Swedish (by decent, but American 100%)
Think before you speak my fellow Scandinavian friend!

Is this guy for real?
ok lane, what do you think would be the ideal way to handle this? Host a pot luck dinner and invite ladin and his followers. Maybe even say "Please, dont do this again"

Are you afraid of being drafted? Is this the real fear you have?

I do not like war, but we dont have alot of choices right now, they drew first blood (more than once).

How many of our own have died in "Peace Keeping"? Many have.

Our troops have been all over the world in the name of "Peace Keeping"

Our military men and woman are trained to protect and keep America free. How free do you feel right now?

I think we should of started a campaign after the uss cole bombing. Why they didnt is beyond me.

There are a few things we need to change within our borders. First is to look who is living among us. We have housed these asswipes for years it seems, unfortunately the very state I live in. Matter of fact the very town my husband grew up in.

If and When you fly Old Glory, you need to think about what the stars and stripes stand for exactly. I hope apple pie and baseball dont come to your mind first, as sadly it does to so many.

Dont think I am sitting back just spewing hot air. I have a 19 year old son that may be on his way there. He chooses to fight for his country, and I am damned proud of him. Wonder if your mamma thinks the same of you?

remember those 2 crackers at columbine

that was great

americans killing americans

just like oklahoma

and just like millions of ******s doing it everyday

By the way...we didn't loose the Vietnam War. We just didn't win! Either did they (win)!

Don't even try hartman. I've read the entire history of the Vietnam War. We didn't lose because somebody used guerilla warfare. We fucking invented guerilla warfare. We lost because of the assholes in OUR leadership. They fucked us over in Vietnam by putting leashes on our dogs. Had they let the military do their job, Vietnam would be a golf course right now.

So don't take the conclusion to an event and sum it up in one ignorant statement without some factual background.

Lane - Guess I'll see ya in Hell, then. If peace allowed these attacks to take place then war just might be the answer.

If they were not afraid to die then they wouldn't be hiding in the Desert!

On and I agree that we don't need to use soldiers to bomb the enemy... we should use bombs for that!

You, Sir, are a complete moron! That statement made no sense whatsoever!

"Well, fuck, they are not killing us right now so we can't shoot back"

JACKASS!

Lane,
nobody likes war, but we didn't start this. We were attacked by our own planes used as missles. If you were attacked in your home, would you do nothing? Or would you defend yourself, even if it meant killing your attacker to protect yourself and your family. If you say you wouldn't you're either an idiot or a liar.

You can't compare this to Vietnam. That was a government fuck-up in a place we had no business being in. This was an attack on our home turf. We can not let this happen again and peace talks don't work with those that are taught to hate us from the day they are born.

No one wants war, but I want to be able to sleep peacefully, and that won't happen without action.

Red

people will die of course they will
but you do nothing and terrorists
will do this again if not worse
the army have to go in and take them
out and anyone harbouring them will
die also by taking them out now
we send a message to all terrorists
this way saving lives

I always appreciate when people from Europe yell at us and tell us that violance is not a good solution. . . the only reason they are not currently speaking german and living behind an iron wall is United States violance

Would you people rather wait 3 or 4 years when Bin Laden's group has nuclear power?
I certainly don't. it's bad enough know that they're getting ready to hit us with germ warfare.

Red

i'll help you myself get those terrorist bastards but don't start a war for this.

Lane, your a pussy.

Lets just let them think it is O.k. to attack us with out consequences. So the rest of the world can see that we are pussys that will put up with getting killed.

Thank god your not in charge.

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This is my first post since last monday, I have avoided posting during the entire event for several reasons. But I feel the need to defend Lane here.

All out warfare on another country is NOT the answer here. For some reason some of you think there are 2 choices, bomb the fuck out of a country or do nothing and its pretty clear what the opinions for doing nothing are. There are actually choices in the middle, ones that may take a bit longer, arent as high profile or cnn worthy but could save many lives.

I am not saying that war is always wrong, there are times when using all out warfare is acceptable. But I dont believe that this situation is the right one.

The problem becomes that as soon as we start bombing a country, then they will be under attack, and then they will want to defend themselves. And if you think for one second that this war is only going to be in the middle east then you are either very dilusional or a crack head. Men, women and children are going to die right in the United States as the Terrorists start to fight back.

No matter what happens, a shit load of innocent people are going to die, American, Canadian, along with many others. It will be very tragic.

near six years later ....

:1orglaugh

lol nice bump

congrats lane .
but it is needed.

because of american economy gets worse and worse everyday.

you have to kill people and get their petrol from them to make your economy better.

Hmm, and i guess we never fucked up any other countries or killed inocent people now did we.. get a clue dude

old ass thread, yet the war still goes on

this actually would be quite funny if it wasn't so sad...

Major relevance, - but it will take more than just stopping wars to have a turnabout on the economy - much more. Bets on that the dollar will be worth at least 10% less than now in 5 years time (and that's conservative estimate).

You mean murder and steal? :)

we are sure teaching them a lesson in iraq.
those bastards won't mess with us anymore.
it shouldn't take us much longer. it's only been
a few years.

iran is next and they should be a piece of cake.
after all, they already fear us. so they'll do whatever
we tell them to do. we'll just beat them up and take their lunch money! (oil)

but wait...their big brothers china and russia were going to share lunch with iran.

looks like we'll teach them a lesson too and kick their asses. their a bunch of punks anyway.

if we can just do this, we will rule the world.
it will be a NWO.

no more wars and everyone will live in peace and harmony!

amen

Ahh the retarded mystic:1orglaugh