USA Election 2004 Fraud! Keith Olbermann (MSNBC) reports... (VID)

[Peacemaker]

Maybe you missed this one. So here is a link.
His show yesterday:

http://home.comcast.net/~hugh.moore/...ing_irregs.wmv


more on his website (blog):
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

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Electronic Voting Angst (Keith Olbermann)

NEW YORK - Bev Harris, the Blackbox lady, was apparently quoted in a number of venues during the day Monday as having written ?I was tipped off by a person very high up in TV that the news has been locked down tight, and there will be no TV coverage of the real problems with voting on Nov. 2? My source said they?ve also been forbidden to talk about it even on their own time.?

I didn?t get the memo.

We were able to put together a reasonably solid 15 minutes or so on the voting irregularities in Florida and Ohio on Monday?s Countdown. There was some You-Are-There insight from the Cincinnati Enquirer reporter who had personally encountered the ?lockdown? during the vote count in Warren County, Ohio, a week ago, and a good deal of fairly contained comment from Representative John Conyers of Michigan, who now leads a small but growing group of Democratic congressmen who?ve written the General Accountability Office demanding an investigation of what we should gently call the Electronic Voting Angst. Conyers insisted he wasn?t trying to re-cast the election, but seemed mystified that in the 21st Century we could have advanced to a technological state in which voting - fine, flawed, or felonious - should leave no paper trail.

But the show should not have been confused with Edward R. Murrow flattening Joe McCarthy. I mean that both in terms of editorial content and controversy. I swear, and I have never been known to cover-up for any management anywhere, that I got nothing but support from MSNBC both for the web-work and the television time. We were asked if perhaps we shouldn?t begin the program with the Fallujah offensive and do the voting story later, but nobody flinched when we argued that the Countdown format pretty much allows us to start wherever we please.

It may be different elsewhere, but there was no struggle to get this story on the air, and evidently I should be washing the feet of my bosses this morning in thanks. Because your reaction was a little different than mine. By actual rough count, between the 8 PM ET start of the program and 10:30 PM ET last night, we received 1570 emails (none of them duplicates or forms, as near as I can tell). 1508 were positive, 62 negative.

Well the volume is startling to begin with. I know some of the overtly liberal sites encouraged readers to write - but that?s still a hunk of mail, and a decisive margin (hell, 150 to 62 is considered a decisive margin). Writing this, I know I?m inviting negative comment, but so be it. I read a large number of the missives, skimmed all others, appreciate all -- and all since -- deeply.

Even the negative ones, because in between the repeated ?you lost? nonsense and one baffling reference to my toupee (seriously, if I wore a rug, wouldn?t I get one that was all the same color?), there was a solid point raised about some of the incongruous voting noted on the website of Florida?s Secretary of State.

There, 52 counties tallied their votes using paper ballots that were then optically scanned by machines produced by Diebold, Sequoia, or Election Systems and Software. 29 of those Florida counties had large Democratic majorities among registered voters (as high a ratio as Liberty County - Bristol, Florida and environs - where it?s 88 percent Democrats, 8 percent Republicans) but produced landslides for President Bush. On Countdown, we cited the five biggest surprises (Liberty ended Bush: 1,927; Kerry: 1,070), but did not mention the other 24.

Those protesting emailers pointed out that four of the five counties we mentioned also went for Bush in 2000, and were in Florida?s panhandle or near the Georgia border. Many of them have long ?Dixiecrat? histories and the swing to Bush, while remarkably large, isn?t of itself suggestive of voting fraud.

That the other 24 counties were scattered across the state, and that they had nothing in common except the optical scanning method, I didn?t mention. My bad. I used the most eye-popping numbers, and should have used a better regional mix instead.

Interestingly, none of the complaining emailers took issue with the remarkable results out of Cuyahoga County, Ohio. In 29 precincts there, the County?s website shows, we had the most unexpected results in years: more votes than voters.

I?ll repeat that: more votes than voters. 93,000 more votes than voters.

Oops.

Talk about successful get-out-the-vote campaigns! What a triumph for democracy in Fairview Park, twelve miles west of downtown Cleveland. Only 13,342 registered voters there, but they cast 18,472 votes.

Vote early! Vote often!

And in the continuing saga of the secret vote count in Warren County, Ohio (outside Cincinnati), no protestor offered an explanation or even a reference, excepting one sympathetic writer who noted that there was a ?beautiful Mosque? in or near Warren County, and that a warning from Homeland Security might have been predicated on that fact.

To her credit, Pat South, President of the Warren County Commissioners who chose to keep the media from watching the actual vote count, was willing to come on the program - but only by phone. Instead, we asked her to compose a statement about the bizarre events at her County Administration building a week ago, which I can quote at greater length here than I did on the air.

?About three weeks prior to elections,? Ms. South stated, ?our emergency services department had been receiving quite a few pieces of correspondence from the office of Homeland Security on the upcoming elections. These memos were sent out statewide, not just to Warren County and they included a lot of planning tools and resources to use for election day security.

?In a face to face meeting between the FBI and our director of Emergency Services, we were informed that on a scale from 1 to 10, the tri-state area of Southwest Ohio was ranked at a high 8 to a low 9 in terms of security risk. Warren County in particular, was rated at 10 (with 10 being the highest risk). Pursuant to the Ohio revised code, we followed the law to the letter that basically says that no one is allowed within a hundred feet of a polling place except for voters and that after the polls close the only people allowed in the board of elections area where votes are being counted are the board of election members, judges, clerks, poll challengers, police, and that no one other than those people can be there while tabulation is taking place.?

Ms. South said she admitted the media to the building?s lobby, and that they were provided with updates on the ballot-counting every half hour. Of course, the ballot-counting was being conducted on the third floor, and the idea that it would have probably looked better if Warren had done what Ohio?s other 87 counties did - at least let reporters look through windows as the tabulations proceeded - apparently didn?t occur to anybody.

Back to those emails, especially the 1508 positive ones. Apart from the supportive words (my favorites: ?Although I did not vote for Kerry, as a former government teacher, I am encouraged by your ?covering? the voting issue which is the basis of our government. Thank you.?), the main topics were questions about why ours was apparently the first television or mainstream print coverage of any of the issues in Florida or Ohio. I have a couple of theories.

Firstly, John Kerry conceded. As I pointed out here Sunday, no candidate?s statement is legally binding - what matters is the state election commissions? reports, and the Electoral College vote next month. But in terms of reportorial momentum, the concession took the wind out of a lot of journalists? aggressiveness towards the entire issue. Many were prepared for Election Night premature jocularity, and a post-vote stampede to the courts - especially after John Edwards? late night proclamation from Boston. When Kerry brought that to a halt, a lot of the media saw something of which they had not dared dream: a long weekend off.

Don?t discount this. This has been our longest presidential campaign ever, to say nothing of the one in which the truth was most artfully hidden or manufactured. To consider this mess over was enough to get 54 percent of the respondents to an Associated Press poll released yesterday to say that the ?conclusiveness? of last week?s vote had given them renewed confidence in our electoral system (of course, 39 percent said it had given them less confidence). Up for the battle for truth or not, a lot of fulltime political reporters were ready for a rest. Not me - I get to do ?Oddball? and ?Newsmakers? every night and they always serve to refresh my spirit, and my conviction that man is the silliest of the creator?s creations.

There?s a third element to the reluctance to address all this, I think. It comes from the mainstream?s love-hate relationship with this very thing you?re reading now: The Blog. This medium is so new that print, radio, and television don?t know what to do with it, especially given that a system of internet checks and balances has yet to develop. A good reporter may encounter a tip, or two, or five, in a day?s time. He has to check them all out before publishing or reporting.

What happens when you get 1,000 tips, all at once?.........

(click on link for more)
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

[Fake Nick]

I have no doubt this election was rigged, but I also have no doubt nothing will happen about it and George W will stay pres no matter what happens

[Peacemaker]

Originally posted by Fake Nick
I have no doubt this election was rigged, but I also have no doubt nothing will happen about it and George W will stay pres no matter what happens

Would it not be sad if you are right?

[Sambo]

I thought this bit was funny....

"Talk about successful get-out-the-vote campaigns! What a triumph for democracy in Fairview Park, twelve miles west of downtown Cleveland. Only 13,342 registered voters there, but they cast 18,472 votes.

Vote early! Vote often!"

[12clicks]

I only hope the liberals believe this.
Then they'll be side tracked from the real reasons they lost and come back with the same game plan in '08 and lose again.

oh, please, please please, believe the election was rigged!

[Sambo]

Originally posted by 12clicks
I only hope the liberals believe this.
Then they'll be side tracked from the real reasons they lost and come back with the same game plan in '08 and lose again.

oh, please, please please, believe the election was rigged!

I assume the numbers can be checked.....

So how do u explain it?

Surly it has to be checked out.... it CANT be ignored

[Peacemaker]

Originally posted by Sambo
I assume the numbers can be checked.....

So how do u explain it?

Surly it has to be checked out.... it CANT be ignored

ofcourse they can ignore it.

(just look at the replies here)

[sickkittens]

Originally posted by Sambo

it CANT be ignored

But it will be ignored, at least by those who should look at it.

[mardigras]

Originally posted by Peacemaker
Would it not be sad if you are right?

I feel he's right.

[StuartD]

Originally posted by 12clicks
I only hope the liberals believe this.
Then they'll be side tracked from the real reasons they lost and come back with the same game plan in '08 and lose again.

oh, please, please please, believe the election was rigged!

I wonder what your response would have been if Kerry won and all these reports of tampered votes came out...

hhmm.....

[mardigras]

Originally posted by Sambo
I assume the numbers can be checked.....

You assume wrong. The machines in question leave no paper trail and it is against the law to open and examine them.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Sambo
I assume the numbers can be checked.....

So how do u explain it?

Surly it has to be checked out.... it CANT be ignored

how do I explain the theory that all across states liberals *think* something doesn't seem right and scream fraud?
they're poor losers, thats how I explain it.

you want to believe that the election was rigged, please, lay out the story of how this could be done. once you try to explain it, you'll see that its just not possible.

[mardigras]

Originally posted by MaskedMan
I wonder what your response would have been if Kerry won and all these reports of tampered votes came out...

hhmm.....

I imagine his response would be quite 180

My response would be the same as it is now. If there is indication of fraud it should be investigated. And there needs to be a move to BAN voting machines without the safeguard of paper receipts.

[Peacemaker]

Originally posted by mardigras
You assume wrong. The machines in question leave no paper trail and it is against the law to open and examine them.

Land of the free

[Sambo]

Originally posted by mardigras
You assume wrong. The machines in question leave no paper trail and it is against the law to open and examine them.

But if they are registering X number of votes and the number of registered voters is less than that figure - something is wrong.

And wrong enough for another election. (recall?)

[12clicks]

Originally posted by MaskedMan
I wonder what your response would have been if Kerry won and all these reports of tampered votes came out...

hhmm.....

don't jerk yourself off about it too much.
There are no reports of "tampered" votes. Just liberal crying because they did all this registering of rabble and were foolish enough to think that the rabble would actually get off of their couch and vote.

[mardigras]

Originally posted by 12clicks
please, lay out the story of how this could be done. once you try to explain it, you'll see that its just not possible.

So a distinctive pattern of exit polls being off in prescints with Diebold machines is all coincidence?

If the machines had paper receipts we wouldn't be having this issue.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by mardigras
You assume wrong. The machines in question leave no paper trail and it is against the law to open and examine them.

can you please link to the law that says the machines can't be checked.
I missed that one.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by mardigras
So a distinctive pattern of exit polls being off in prescints with Diebold machines is all coincidence?

If the machines had paper receipts we wouldn't be having this issue.

do you know how exit polls are taken?
are you calling them more reliable than actual votes?
this is why you are so confused by this.

[Peacemaker]

Originally posted by 12clicks
do you know how exit polls are taken?
are you calling them more reliable than actual votes?
this is why you are so confused by this.

fact is, that till 2000 the exit polls were very accurate..
you may find alot of statistic if you try to search for them

[kenny]

Fraud?

Does Kerry know this?

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Peacemaker
fact is, that till 2000 the exit polls were very accurate..
you may find alot of statistic if you try to search for them

since you know these "facts" you must have them at your finger tips.
post the links and lets have a look.

[Peacemaker]

Originally posted by 12clicks
do you know how exit polls are taken?
are you calling them more reliable than actual votes?
this is why you are so confused by this.

and here is a link where you will see how the exit-post are beeing made:

http://www.exit-poll.net/pool.html


What is the National
Election Pool?

ABC, AP, CBS, CNN, Fox, and NBC, have created the National Election Pool to provide tabulated vote counts and exit poll surveys for the 2004 major presidential primaries and the November general election.

These six major news organization, in a joint decision, have appointed Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International as the sole provider of exit polls for the most important political races of 2004. The AP will tally the vote

The exit poll data is available for purchase by TV-affiliates, newspapers, internet sites and other news outlets. The polling data will be delivered through a secure web application directly to subscribers on primary and election days. Political candidates may subscribe as well, but the data is available one week past voting day.

[malakajoe]

Originally posted by 12clicks
how do I explain the theory that all across states liberals *think* something doesn't seem right and scream fraud?
they're poor losers, thats how I explain it.

you want to believe that the election was rigged, please, lay out the story of how this could be done. once you try to explain it, you'll see that its just not possible.

LOL! You really don't think things can be rigged by either side? Your alarm clock is going off..time to wake up.

Most of these electronic voting systems have no paper trails. It has been shown they can easily be changed to put more votes one way or another. How can you explain more votes than voters? Please, explain that one...I would love to hear an explanation.

[reynold]

Originally posted by Fake Nick
I have no doubt this election was rigged, but I also have no doubt nothing will happen about it and George W will stay pres no matter what happens

yes, it's rigged alright. told you so.

[kenny]

If Bush was able to throw two elections without being caught then he deserves to be president.

You have to be a bad motherfucker to be able to get away with that two times.


On a further note, if the left is to fucking stupid to let it happen twice should they be running this country?

[StuartD]

Originally posted by 12clicks
don't jerk yourself off about it too much.
There are no reports of "tampered" votes. Just liberal crying because they did all this registering of rabble and were foolish enough to think that the rabble would actually get off of their couch and vote.

ah, I see... a news story in favour of Bush is a "report" and a news story in favour of Kerry is "liberal crying."

I got it now, thanks for clearing up my confusion

[StuartD]

Originally posted by kenny

On a further note, if the left is to fucking stupid to let it happen twice should they be running this country?

Yeah, it's sad that the peaceful bunch are the ones that would actually expect the war mongers to play fair for once.

[malakajoe]

Originally posted by MaskedMan
ah, I see... a news story in favour of Bush is a "report" and a news story in favour of Kerry is "liberal crying."

I got it now, thanks for clearing up my confusion

This is the new American way. Better get used to it.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Peacemaker
and here is a link where you will see how the exit-post are beeing made:

http://www.exit-poll.net/pool.html


What is the National
Election Pool?

ABC, AP, CBS, CNN, Fox, and NBC, have created the National Election Pool to provide tabulated vote counts and exit poll surveys for the 2004 major presidential primaries and the November general election.

These six major news organization, in a joint decision, have appointed Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International as the sole provider of exit polls for the most important political races of 2004. The AP will tally the vote

The exit poll data is available for purchase by TV-affiliates, newspapers, internet sites and other news outlets. The polling data will be delivered through a secure web application directly to subscribers on primary and election days. Political candidates may subscribe as well, but the data is available one week past voting day.

its clear by this response that you *don't* know how exit polls are taken.
are the rest of your "facts" going to be dodged as well?

[kenny]

It must suck to have the big bad right just take that shit from you.

Nobody was powerful enough to stop them, nobody will dare listen to your cries.

"Owned"

Doesn't that summarize it?

[12clicks]

Originally posted by malakajoe
LOL! You really don't think things can be rigged by either side? Your alarm clock is going off..time to wake up.

Most of these electronic voting systems have no paper trails. It has been shown they can easily be changed to put more votes one way or another. How can you explain more votes than voters? Please, explain that one...I would love to hear an explanation.

why do children quote my question and then pretend to answer it with something irrelevant.
son, please lay out how the election could be rigged for a candidate.
in the mean time, post links to factual news articles about more votes than voters and that these votes were republican.
also pleas post the links where it has been shown "they can easily be changed to put more votes one way or another"

[12clicks]

Originally posted by MaskedMan
ah, I see... a news story in favour of Bush is a "report" and a news story in favour of Kerry is "liberal crying."

I got it now, thanks for clearing up my confusion

please son, put me in my place and post where they've found "tampered votes" otherwise, you're just a crying liberal.

[mardigras]

Originally posted by 12clicks
can you please link to the law that says the machines can't be checked.
I missed that one.

"Against the law" was an overstatement after I checked. There has to be a court order to examine the machine. The companies that make the voting machine claim that will endanger their proprietary software and courts have ruled against allowing it in every instance of challenge except once in 1984 with Votomatic punch-card machines made by Computer Election Systems (CES)
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0...w=wn_tophead_7

[Peacemaker]

Originally posted by 12clicks
its clear by this response that you *don't* know how exit polls are taken.
are the rest of your "facts" going to be dodged as well?

i just give you a link to see how the exit polls were taken.
nothing MORE but nothing LESS.

you asked, i give you an answer.

and about the exit polls beeing accurate. i found some links in a forum, but i cant find them again now.
so, yes, i am sorry for that that i cant prove it now. you got me there, and i am sorry. i have no problems to admit something.

[mardigras]

Originally posted by 12clicks
please son, put me in my place and post where they've found "tampered votes" otherwise, you're just a crying liberal.

Palm Beach County Logs 88,000 More Votes Than Voters

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Peacemaker
fact is, that till 2000 the exit polls were very accurate..
you may find alot of statistic if you try to search for them

are we still waiting on links to this so called "fact"?

[malakajoe]

Originally posted by 12clicks
why do children quote my question and then pretend to answer it with something irrelevant.
son, please lay out how the election could be rigged for a candidate.
in the mean time, post links to factual news articles about more votes than voters and that these votes were republican.
also pleas post the links where it has been shown "they can easily be changed to put more votes one way or another"

Link to show how it can be changed? http://www.blackboxvoting.org . That part was easy.

I will answer your rigged question in a second. But you also avoided my question. Please tell me how more people can vote than registered voters in a county? It sounds strange, doesn't it?

Now..to your question. To be honest, who knows. I am not Karl Rove and don't know as much as he does in how the system can be played.

But here is the problem. When things come up like it, shouldn't they be looked into? Or is it not a good American to want to make sure our voting system runs smoothly and without any tampering?

When you have a private company supplying Florida with a list of names that shouldn't be allowed to vote because they say they are felons, isn't this a problem? Shouldn't the state know? Why a private company supplying this list?

Things like this is what is wrong. I don't say look into these things because I want Kerry in the office more than Bush. I say this because the political and voting system is getting worse each time. People are not running for high office anymore because they want to be a public servant...they run because they have agendas. The democrats and the repubicans both treat the elections as a game now...fuck both parties. They are killing American democracy.

Fuck "My country, right or wrong". Fuck the new one "My party, right or wrong". People need to stand up more and question things...ask for real answers (not just in elections). I love this country, but hate the direction it is going.

[StuartD]

Originally posted by 12clicks
please son, put me in my place and post where they've found "tampered votes" otherwise, you're just a crying liberal.

Ahh... I said there were "reports" of tampered votes. As in... rumours, gossips... hear say.

You're the one who thinks that I'm stating it as a fact. You're the one on the defensive so quickly.

A news report is just that... a report. Apparently the only one here who's jumping around crying that about whether it's fact or not... is you

My question to you was simple... what if Kerry won and all these reports came out. Not once did I ever say any of it was true... just that the "reports" have happened.

What's the matter? Guilty conscience??

[12clicks]

Originally posted by mardigras
"Against the law" was an overstatement after I checked. There has to be a court order to examine the machine.

exactly.

Originally posted by mardigras
The companies that make the voting machine claim that will endanger their proprietary software and courts have ruled against allowing it in every instance of challenge except once in 1984 with Votomatic punch-card machines made by Computer Election Systems (CES)
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0...w=wn_tophead_7

I'm sorry, did you just say Clinton stole the first 2 elections and Bush the second 2?

[Peacemaker]

Originally posted by mardigras
Palm Beach County Logs 88,000 More Votes Than Voters

Broward machines count backward
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politic...VOTE_1105.html

Broward County III - Those Missing Absentee Ballots
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/col...1684609.column

Hundreds Of Ballots Tossed Out
http://www.wesh.com/politics/3881646/detail.html

etc etc..

too long to list
http://shadowbox.i8.com/stolen.htm

for the whole list with links etc

[12clicks]

Originally posted by MaskedMan
Ahh... I said there were "reports" of tampered votes. As in... rumours, gossips... hear say.

and in the real world, rumours, gossip, and hear say are discounted by people with a brain.

[malakajoe]

Originally posted by 12clicks
and in the real world, rumours, gossip, and hear say are discounted by people with a brain.

Why so easily dismiss? Why not look into things more? If more votes than voters, shouldn't this be investigated?

Why are people so easy to dismiss without investigating? Welcome to America, I guess.

[mardigras]

Machine Error Gives Bush Extra Ohio Votes

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Peacemaker
Broward machines count backward
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politic...VOTE_1105.html

kerry won Broward County by a 2-1 margin.
so are you claiming that Bush really won and he should be looking into democratic voter fraud?

I'll bet not.

[StuartD]

Originally posted by 12clicks
and in the real world, rumours, gossip, and hear say are discounted by people with a brain.

I bet you wouldn't just dismiss it if someone made up a rumour that was costing you and your business thousands a day.

Would you and your brain just discount it or look into it?

[12clicks]

Originally posted by malakajoe
Why so easily dismiss? Why not look into things more? If more votes than voters, shouldn't this be investigated?

Why are people so easy to dismiss without investigating? Welcome to America, I guess.

here in America, we pay attention to facts.
facts of voter fraud present themselves very quickly. when you have to rely on gossip, rumor and inuendo, you're down to your last 3 straws.

[malakajoe]

Originally posted by 12clicks
kerry won Broward County by a 2-1 margin.
so are you claiming that Bush really won and he should be looking into democratic voter fraud?

I'll bet not.

Take the Kerry vs. Bush out of it. There is a problem with our voting system and needs to be fixed. I am sure Bush got more votes in some areas (as reported in a link here to a county that gave him over 3,000 more votes than he should have got)..and I am sure Kerry got some other areas.

But the real problem is their is a problem! We got to Iraq and other places to help them setup democratic voting systems. But we can't get it right here.

[Peacemaker]

Originally posted by 12clicks
kerry won Broward County by a 2-1 margin.
so are you claiming that Bush really won and he should be looking into democratic voter fraud?

I'll bet not.

Sir,
County -> state

Why not making more votes for bush, or less for Kerry when this influece the reult of the state in total?

[Sambo]

Originally posted by 12clicks
and in the real world, rumours, gossip, and hear say are discounted by people with a brain.

People with a brain would surely look into the allegations and make there own minds up?

Isnt the whole legal system based on this?

Every alledged crime is nothing more than hear say until proved otherwise