son, if my business relied on rumors, I'd have been gone long ago.
to answer your question, no.
I live in the world of facts.

Now you are just rambling to ramble. Obvious you believe what you want to believe. Am I saying every report is correct? Fuck no. But as I have stated over and over, their is obviously a problem, both with the Democratics and Republicans playing to many games with our election process.

That explains a lot about you... thanks for clearing it up :1orglaugh

Another Rigged Election? The Elephant in the Voting Booth

This piece links a good number of news articles.

Heep your eyes on http://blackboxvoting.org
Those guys are conducting a massive Freedom of Information Act campaign. Also, check out the Democratic Underground.

Old man, facts don't become facts until people investigate them. Pretty simple but tough for someone that wants to believe only what he wants to believe.

this is your response when you provide a link claiming the vote totals where switched?
if your believe that then Bush would have done better state wide if he didn't switch them.

I think you're down to your last grasp.:1orglaugh

Originally posted by 12clicks

"and in the real world, rumours, gossip, and hear say are discounted by people with a brain."


I got buried down at "49".......

Too damn funny.. you do know that by listening to the news, you're basically just subjecting yourself to hearsay.

So uhmm... you heard on the news that Bush was elected president... so then... uhmm... it must not be true, it's just a rumour.

ah yes, now we come to the part of the argument where you're out of straws to grasp so we'll say that my position is "only what I want to believe"
here's a clue son, I'm right. I've made my living being right.
you run around and jerk yourself off about how smart you are for believing every rumor that comes down the pike.
I know it sucks running your stories past people who are 5 steps ahead of you but really, some of us can discount rumors with common sense while others cling to them as the last hope at being proven right.:1orglaugh

say, are you so stupid or do you play so stupid?

you asked a question and you get an answer.

i just said, even in a "kerry county" there is an idea to "modify" the results of an county to have the total of e.g. Florida or Ohia affect in total.

this is just ONE way to affect the WHOLE election

This information doesn't exist.

This post doesn't exist.

Go buy petroleum products!

:1orglaugh

And ignored because it made sense. Like other posts that made sense.

People who want to believe what they want only respond to the posts they can have a comeback with. This is why message boards suck at times. Too easily too ignore relevant posts and ignore real posts until a) no one points out the ignore and it is forgotten or b)the person has time to think up a response.

SexEd is great at this one.

I'm sorry, how do you run your business? maybe I can learn something.

"hey, there's a rumor that that douchbagTGP.com is accepting submissions. I better run over there and submit"
:1orglaugh

oh, I'm sorry! I must be stupid.
After all, Bush the puppet is now Bush the mastermind again and has rigged polling stations all over the country.


the idiocy of this board is astounding until I remember that I'm not arguing with other business people I'm arguing with college kids.

then it all makes sense.:winkwink:

LOL! What a spin on things.

You never said how a fact can be proven a fact without investigating it. It is impossible.

If I read something that I think has merit, I read more on it. I don't dismiss it. If I don't think it has merit, then I dismiss it. It is called thinking and making your own mind up.

Spin spin spin away...while avoiding things.

-How can you have more votes than voters?
-One Ohio County already admitted to releasing more votes for Bush than really were voted.

Again, I will say...something is wrong with our election process. Both Democrats and Republicans are too blame. To me, not about parties. To me, it is about there being a problem that needs to be fixed.

well, as in my example above, if someone creates a rumour about me or my company and it's costing me thousands a day... I check into it, instead of just turning on the tv because me and my brain just discount those things.

BTW..you just be a debater. You would be good. You keep with the "I am right about everything and my opponents are wrong about everything" very well.

Must be nice to know everything and always be right.

if you think the legal system acts on rumors and gossip, you're a fool.
is that what you really think?

(I didn't mean to miss you, its just tough posting to 5 fools at a time, each trying to wriggle out of being wrong.

hey, you're the one saying a news report isn't a report.

it is.
if you worked at it, you could be right more often too.

"You must pursue this investigation of Watergate even if it leads to the president."
-- Richard M. Nixon

really?
quote that for the class. which post # did it come from?:1orglaugh

cute, but unless you're going to explain yourself, worthless.

I'm sorry. how are these rumors costing Bush again?

also child, don't try to imagine what its like in the business world. My business never suffers from rumors.
the weak fear rumors the strong laugh at them.

see you kids after lunch.

I don't feel like playing today. Maybe another day.

Have fun :)

as I said, worthless post.

but still cute.

Well, if you use your brain you could understand it.

Things need to be investigated. I was just born during this time, but have spoken with my parents and others about this time. People dismissed it..said it couldn't be true. People had your attitude.

Well, you know the rest of history.

Uhmm... mixing 2 examples often leads to confusion and running a discussion off topic... a good tactic when faced with a question that you are unable to answer and seem "right."

First off, my example was for you.. you said people with a brain discount rumours. I asked you if you would discount a rumour if it was costing you. I guess you do have a brain, because you'd discount it... it would cost you lots of money though, apparently.

Secondly, never once did I mention Bush in the question I asked of how you'd deal with rumours, so I guess it wouldn't cost him much, would it?

A fool because I think your wrong?

I used the phrase "hear say". Of course any allegation is "hear say" until proved otherwise.

It isnt the best phrase to use but I was quoting.

Well MSNBC is a news organization with factual information. You have to decide whether you believe this sounds irregular to you or just "liberal whining." As far as the people with a brain, most of those voted for Kerry except for those like Karl Rove and the other Bush brain trust--Dubya not included because he isn't that smart--who decided to taget two states, Florida and clearly Ohio, to swing the election in their favor.
Florida was easy. Jeb's the governor. Ohio took a little more work but more votes than registered voters? That has to be explained a little better to me.

There must be a lot of pressure on you being right all the fuckin' time.
Go jerk your right wing cronies off because it's not working here.:321GFY

Wow! You really hit the nail on the head with that post! Now that I think about it, you are absolutely right.

If the left spends all it's energy digging into a "rigged election" theory, then they won't even realize how far they are getting away from the mainstream of America, and they will think that they just need to send the same message next election....only louder and more stirdent this time. We could see the far left dragging the democratic party almost completely out of power over the next 4 to 6 years at this rate....

Very, very interesting to see how this will unfold....

man thats bull shit, fuck bush

ahahaha, sure kid. having been around for that time, I'll be happy to point out where you're wrong.
Watergate started out with a break in, the break in was investigated and the trail led to the whitehouse.

I assure you, despite your wishful thinking, rumor and gossip had nothing to do with watergate.

Oh how the bitter do sqeal.:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

ROFLMAO...

This thread is classic.

It's funny how one man can stay calm while 3-4 others get so wound up, trying to disprove every post he makes.

You guys are pathetic. 12Clicks could tell you your date of birth and your mothers maiden name and you would all hit google trying to find links to disprove him, then get wound up, because the links you posted were irrelevant.

Think ill just skip working today and follow this thread. So far it has been good for a few laughs.

:thumbsup

= blubb

:)

I approach threads at GFY with the same approach I have done with usenet for years.

Debating is fun and very informative as articles to support both sides are often posted that you may have missed on your own. The more info you have the better armed you are to extract the realities. Sometimes there are those who wish to push a skewed view with little support. I like to respond to those with facts not to influence their viewpoint (they either believe it or they are trolling) but to provide information to other readers who may be looking for more information on issues they may not know about. :glugglug

Spin, spin, spin. I laugh out loud any time I see someone on a board like GFY saying that they understand the 'Mainstream of America'.

If you sling porn, or are related to slinging porn, you are a second class citizen, to both parties, Democrats and Republicans alike. At worst, they want you gone. At best, you are a tolerated evil, covered under the first amendment like the KKK (and probably about as reputable in their eyes). Neither the general public or either party will EVER endorse adult. Not ever. Which is why it had nothing to do with my vote this time around, or in prior elections.

Insofar as 56 million voting democrats (which even as a losing vote is the largest number of voters in the history of the nation, second only to Bush's win this year) all being 'far left' - you can keep hoping that.

I can hope back that the neo-cons really try and go to town over the next few months, over-reach themselves, and alienate moderate conservatives in your own party. They've already started, stating their hopes that a 30 year law like Roe vs Wade will be overturned (something even Bush's wife has stated she's against). If you think that 'Mainstream America' isn't going to be made uneasy by this kind of thing, you are seriously mistaken. Polls for example (the same ones the Republicans tout re: 'Moral Values') show that 60% of those polled remain in favor of abortion rights.

Better get that rabid dog on a leash. It's already biting the hand that feeds, attacking a moderate Republican like Specter (someone I'm comfortable with as a Democrat, btw).

Hopefully the Democratic party won't buy into this, and realize that they need NOT to become 'more Republican', but get ahold of a candidate that doesn't try and be all things to all people, and come up with a Democratic agenda that is not UFO far left, but neither does it cater to the neo-con far right (which will never vote Democrat anyway).

This nation is not found on the neo-con right or the tin foil hat left as a majority, but somewhere in the middle. Republicans better find that middle soon, or you are going to have serious problems next election, particularly if Iraq doesn't resolve equably.

Unfortunately, I have to run, so that gives you the opportunity to bash away if you feel like it. As always, it's been fun.

I beleive it the whole system is a fraud.!!!!!!!