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CDSmith 09-08-2001 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wiZd0m:
The time is comming when you will have to treat this nation with respect, or else, the end of the confederation is near.
Excuse my poor French, but what a crock of shit. Same old separatist rhetoric as what's been blathered about over the past 30 years or more. What exactly do your words here mean Wizdom? That 2 million separatists are gonna start a war if they don't get their way? Give me a break.

Listen, and listen good, from a guy that grew up in white-bread English Canada yet now lives in the heart of the largest French community in Canada outside of Quebec (St. Boniface) -- I have never complained about being forced to leard French (grade 3 to grade 10 mandatory), over the years I've known and befreinded tons and tons of French people, and in the 15 years of working in a French Catholic hospital (St. Boniface General) I came to understand even more of how the French value their culture. I consider myself to be a typical English-speaking Canadian in this regard, and I am very proud of Canada's French heritage and I'm proud to call old St. Boniface my home for the past 11 years.

What I am NOT proud of is all the separatist crap that has gone on over the years, from fuckers on St. Jean Babtiste day wiping their French fucking asses with the Canadian flag on Mount Royal to that Canadian shop-keeper mentioned above that was ordered to make the French words on his sign bigger than the English words, to the busloads of English schoolkids on a field trip having rocks thrown at their schoolbuses in the weeks following the referendum, to the fucking FLQ bombings back in 1970 during the October crisis. I was in the first grade at the time, and even wayyy out here yes it was a big deal. <a href="http://tetley.law.mcgill.ca/Octoberbook.htm" TARGET="_blank">READ UP ON THE OCTOBER CRISIS HERE</a>

I've said this before and I'll say it again, I have lots of relatives that have lived in Quebec all their lives, my dad is from there, I have friends there, many are of French heritage, and NONE of them want to separate. There is nothing wrong with valuing your heritage, nothing wrong with teaching your children what it means to be French-Canadian, but the rest of Canada will ALWAYS draw the line when people become disloyal ungrateful separatists and start causing problems for the country. Some people in Quebec wonder why they get little or no respect from the rest of Canada? It's because of all the shit and the whining and the stupid comments like yours above about us kissing the queen's rings for fuck sake.

You were defeated in the referendum (twice as I recall). Only children must whine and whine until they get their own way, sorry to have to be the one to tell you but sometimes no means NO.

Are you sure you're not that "jojosex" guy reincarnated? You sound just like him sometimes bro.
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Rod 09-08-2001 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith:
Rob roy --

no, never been that far up. The Pas is as far as I've been north. That Clearwater lake was pretty cool, 160 feet deep in the middle and you can see all the way to the bottom.

Rod --
Who's providing your percentages??? Man you are wayyy off bro. "Only 10% of Americans cannot tell the states the US have"?? Are you NUTS? Probably. Every impromptu survey on the streets of any-city USA has consistantly proven that Americans actually CAN'T name more than one or two provinces at most. There was one survey done across a range of US cities on July the 4th of this year, and 1 out of 3 Americans asked couldn't even identify exactly what july 4th signified!! Approximately 20 Americans walking the streets of a city in Florida (Tampa I think) could not name even one province or the capital of Canada or name it's prime minister. The closest any of them came to naming a province was "Molsen" or "Moosehead". One thought that Ottawa was a province, so he got a point for knowing the word "Ottawa".

You will find that your %'s are boned big time Rod, and that not only can a very large # of Canadians name all of our provinces and territories, but we can name more states than many Americans. I would also hazard a good guess that we know more about world history than our US counterparts. How many Americans know all about the Alamo and Valley Forge, yet know nothing about the war of 1812 (where Canada kicked their asses but good)

Every survey of general questions about Canada and even some US things, when put to US citizens and then shown on TV has been downright funny. Even my American friends laugh at that shit.

I once had an American dude at a gas station in Orlando refuse to accept my U.S. traveler's cheque because it said in tiny print on it "Bank of Canada", yet beside the "$20.00" it also said "U.S.", but he kept saying "We don' take Canaydeean munny heer" DUHHHHHH!! I could NOT convince this moron that it WAS US money purchased in Canada!!

As for "vive la quebec", I agree, Quebec is a great province, and most of the people there are awesome. I have tons of relatives that live there, and I lived in Montreal for 2 months during the 76 Olympics, it was great (aside from the dogshit everywhere). It's not Quebec that sucks with big lips, it's the separatist extremists that bite the big one. Fortunately they are in the minority.
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My statistics was for student in the US...student of high school grade 5.

Our graphical teacher told that when I was in grade 5.


Gary 09-08-2001 10:22 PM

Hey, if Quebec wants their own country, fine, but i'm not paying for it. They can pay for their own welfare state.

wiZd0m 09-08-2001 10:52 PM

You have to be kidding yourself, Quebec is the province who contributes the most to your welfare provinces of the atlantic and the rest of canada. Each year, Quebec is at a deficit of 6 billions in perequation (sp?) just because it is part of Canada. And for your information, Quebec is the 11th world biggest economy in the world, the population here can take care of itself http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

It is you my friend who holds the xenophobic language, equating a democratic movement, who is expressing itself in the most civilised manner (ie, referendum) with a couple of violent individuals 30 years ago who were posing artisanal bombs in mailboxes.

You seem to have forgotten that the margin of victory last time was less then 56000 votes. It is a really fashist discourse your holding, negating the voice of millions of people.

You know, everyone could have avoided this if Trudeau did not fuck Quebec when he brought back the constitution to canada, You guys missed your chances with "Meech" and Charlottetown", this whole issue is still a dead end, instead of a new confederation with our friends across the outawais river.



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Gary 09-08-2001 10:58 PM

Hate to break it to you, but Quebec takes in ALOT more than it gives out. And i dont hate the french. I'm french, my grand parents are seperatists. I love them, even if they are crazy. But they dont like my mom cause she's english. Go figure.

wiZd0m 09-08-2001 11:16 PM

Some people are racist, we can't change that.

300 years ago, my Familly came from Vienna, Austria, they moved to the Balkans (Istra, the peninsula where the Roman emperors were comming to rest in thier "summer houses") Since then, there hs been 5 differents regimes in power, The Austro-Hungarians, The Italian, The Nazi, The Communist under General Tito (Yougoslavia) and now it's the Croatia since the war (Hrvatska). I have familly in Austria, Italy, Croatia, Canada and United-States. I have branches of the family mixed with all these different cultures, so really, I don't care what race color, language, faith peopel around me are. I speak fluently in 4 languages (I am not the greatest in all, but I can hold my own) and when I hear closed minded people with a "One english fits all", it reminds me of a certain mentality we have seen not so long ago in europe ...

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Gary 09-09-2001 12:04 AM

Some might argue the seperatists are similar to that regime you alude to also.

mischief 09-09-2001 12:41 AM

See what you started Lens.

dewpoint 09-09-2001 12:41 AM

Just in case all of our American friends and my fellow Canadians forget...there is a Canada beyond the East...it's called Western Canada and it contains my personal favorite...Calgary, Alberta.


-=HUNGRYMAN=- 09-09-2001 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wiZd0m:
...Quebec is the 11th world biggest economy in the world, the population here can take care of itself

If that be the case, why do Seperatists want to be on their own, but using Canada's currency and economy ???

Go Fuck Yourself !

And ... "a couple violent individuals" ?!?
You had better go back and read your history books again ... I was too young to remember the incident, but I did a thesus paper on it (which I got an 'A' for) ... it was alot more to it then a couple violent individuals.
A country DOES NOT declare a state of Martial Law, for a couple of violent individuals ...

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mischief 09-09-2001 01:10 AM

Wizdom, if you know fuck all, you know damned well that Alberta contributes more to equalization than any other province. Don't believe me, look it up. Do not get all pissed off and think this is another hate Quebec post, quite contrary, outside of Alberta, Quebec is my favorite place to visit. I love the people, the culture, and the geography. I have visited many cities world wide, and without a doubt, my favorite is Quebec City. Canada is a great country and the envy of most of the world, don't trash it to make your point because that is bullshit. As for fellow Canadian webmasters on this board making stupid remarks like the one about Quebecers being lazy or unemployed, no wonder they get pissed at you. Fuck people, get along already.

Gemini 09-09-2001 01:12 AM

Hey I remember that happening! Sure stirred things down here too. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/frown.gif Good thing Dubya wasn't in office then. lol

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mischief 09-09-2001 01:15 AM

Sorry Gem,.didn't mean to get yer ovaries in an uproar, I shall behave. :}

wiZd0m 09-09-2001 01:26 AM

Hey don't get me wrong, my parent did emigrated to canada because it is the nuymber 1 country in the world for standard of living http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

As far as Quebec is concerned, all they want is to be able to run their own civil system, education system, heath care and be in charges of all the levers of the economy. It's not so much a new country they want you know, but a new partnership with the english neighbors, something fair and equitable where they can all prosper. Not the curent system.

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Rocky 09-09-2001 02:52 AM

same old, same old

and you know who always gets boned in the end?

you bet, the fucking first nations

so quit your quibbling and if you want to protect rights that have been violated then i suggest you start speaking up for the Inuit and First Nations people

since Inuktitut and other First Nation languages were first spoken in Canada thousands of years ago i don't think the english or french speaking citizens have any reason to fucking complain

Nysus 09-09-2001 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by oscer:
hahah I like the OPP They let me off on a Speeding ticket when i was going over the Speed limit By 70 Kilometers and hour ahahah

I told the Women Cop it was our normal Speedlimit Back home and i just forgot to
slow down cuase i was To used to going that fast she gave me a break and i only got a $20 dollar ticket as oppsed to a big one haha


The OPP are nice. Now, if you ever get stopped by military police -- don't open your mouth. Here's a true story in script format:

Military police officer pulls over my friend.
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Friend: "But.."
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... and so the friend just shut up, took the ticket and left -- I saw the ticket too. He didn't get any points taken off though.

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Nysus 09-09-2001 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Instant:
i only know one canadian, hes dumb as shit


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magnatique 09-09-2001 09:19 AM

it's true about alberta bringing most of Canada's cash to it...

Same as Quebec... In fact, I believe that in a couple ywears you'll see alberta and Quebec Unify to centralize their power to their own government, just like Quebec has been trying for the last few years... discussions have already started I believe.

Why would quebec use the canadian money, shall they get their independance? why do Europe are trying to get their own currency? currencies are tricky, and it's hard to base a new political trust in a currency over the countries. seperatists want to save their language, and they wanna be the ones taking care of their schools, their health care, etc...... because thwey live in that situation, and know how to take care of it best...

if the government (canada) would give away thos epowers, then those still complaining about seperation would be fools.


as far as the law about the language, 1.5X bigger and all....
Cd, where do you draw the line? I mean, 20 years ago, downtown was all english.... still today, you get served in english downtown most of the time, although french is the majority... without laws, this can easily deteriorates... they HAVE to draw the line... so, they put that 1.5X law... it might not be the right way to do it, but it's the way it is...

Just like drinking is 0.08 here.... I am still perfect at 0.12, I'M a big guy, and I can hold my alcool... but others can't... that's why it's there!



Gary 09-09-2001 09:28 AM

Ok, before this turns ugly, can we all just agree that I'm right and everyone else is wrong???

Amputate Your Head 09-09-2001 09:34 AM

"Before" this turns ugly?

Juge 09-09-2001 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by oscer:
hahah I like the OPP They let me off on a Speeding ticket when i was going over the Speed limit By 70 Kilometers and hour ahahah

I told the Women Cop it was our normal Speedlimit Back home and i just forgot to
slow down cuase i was To used to going that fast she gave me a break and i only got a $20 dollar ticket as oppsed to a big one haha

They are $157.00 in Canada at the moment. Only $112.00 (or pretty close to it) a year ago. Not that I would know or anything.

Juge 09-09-2001 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rod:
Juge: 30% of the canadians cannot tell al the provinces and territory that Canada have...and only 10% americans cannot tell all the states the US have...

hmm...

But canada is cool...especially quebec!

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Rod, as you may expect, I find that extremely hard to believe. I would have to see the source of that information before I could believe it. But, regardless, this is not what I was talking about. I was talking about being ignorant about the neigbouring country. Name a state, and there will be far less (% wise) canadians to mistake it as a business name than americans vice-versa. That's pathetic, you must admit http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif And, with so many more states, it would be harder for canadians to do so.

I would like to see the stats/facts on the serveys about how dumb the public is, though - it would be interesting to find out. You can never underestimate their stupidity.

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Juge 09-09-2001 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
So then they don't make bowling alleys?
Ha ha, look up Maine on a map, and look around it. You'll see the biggest bowling alley ever. So i take you really haven't ever looked on a map...? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

CDSmith 09-09-2001 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by magnatique:
Cd, where do you draw the line? I mean, 20 years ago, downtown was all english.... still today, you get served in english downtown most of the time, although french is the majority... without laws, this can easily deteriorates... they HAVE to draw the line... so, they put that 1.5X law... it might not be the right way to do it, but it's the way it is...
I'll go ahead and use your same analogy here:
-120+ years ago the French were CONQUERED
-Some 30 years ago all of Canada accepts French as it's second official language
- 8 and 10 years ago approximately, Canada holds referendums to decide the fate of Quebec. Separatist movement loses (but really they win) and it is decided.
- Using the words of Magnatique, CD makes his point: "it might not be the right way to do it, but it's the way it is"


Let's look at the states shall we? They take in lots of people from other countries, they have HUGE French, German, Italian and East-Indian and Asian communities. Let's take the state of Louisianna -- Lot's of french people there, deepset French culture from 100's of years back. Now, if Louisianna ever tried to secede from the US, what the FUCK do you titwads think would happen?? The state would have the National guard up their fucking separatist ying-yang so fast it'd make the earth shake. Reason?: The US is a "melting pot", meaning that immigrants are welcome, but first they must become "Americans" above all else.

Bottom line, as far as I'm concerned, Canada is Canada, and anyone that wants to start their own country can fuck off somewhere else and start up shop. There are a few MILLION people that have lived in Quebec every bit as long as any damn separatist, and they do NOT want to separate from Canada. Native Canadians in Quebec are not on your side, what do the separatists plan for all these non-separatist people I wonder?

Don't bring your stupid separatist bullshit to work with you, please, you make me and the rest of Canada sick. Canadians and Canada have bent over backwards to preserve it's French heritage, but nothing ever shuts up the hard-core separatists. Nothing.
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Rip 09-09-2001 02:35 PM

Based on the question, do Canadians ever work... well yesterday I was out on my Boat all day... so no, I did not work http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif and am f-in sunburnt on my face today http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

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NOTR 09-09-2001 03:43 PM

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Gary 09-09-2001 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NOTR:
If it were'nt for those checks comming in monthly from the goverment, I wouldnt be looking at porn now would I? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Peace



We also have a porn subsidy program in Canada for struggling pornographers. Its a gret country.

Kimmykim 09-09-2001 05:03 PM

Hmmmm, maybe if we throw in a couple of worthless US states your separatists could get going? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif


magnatique 09-09-2001 05:29 PM

CD, why the hell did you bring out the separatist melodrama to me LOL http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

I just explained the reason why we have these laws about french being the bigger font used on the ads and such...

you can't deny this man...

QUebec is a French speaking province, where english is there as second language, and rest of canada is english, where second language is french, PRACTICALLY..

it should be french/english all equally, but it's not... we don't care about that http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

what I meant is this province needs to protect the french , and the ads thing is one way to do it, they drew the line... as I said, it might not be the right way/place to do it, but it had to be done...


I'm sure many of the South California people that keep seeing Spanish all around the state, or that gets answered on a good deal of businesses in spanish feel the same...


that is all I meant dude, don't bring me in a conflict I don't wanna take part of, as I'm NOT believeing seperation is any good, but rather a better understanding of every provinces' needs, which could be attained by giving govn't more power... just like alberta should have more for what they bring, and get the possibility to take care of what they want...


magnatique 09-09-2001 05:34 PM

btw, CD, I'm not trying to say you're wrong with your comparison of Canada and USA for the lousiana and quebec thing..

but you are LOL http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/tongue.gif

I mean, USA is a Republic, we're a Democracy...

by us being a pure democracy, it leaves every group of people from this country make a democratic decision as a whole, as long as they get 50%+1.... can't deny that, it's the way this country is built... so no Province SHOULD get denied the right to decide of their destiny, whether we're talking about quebec wanting independance, or alberta, or Yukon, or any of those... since it's a democracy http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif


once again, I'm not trying to support any side, but merely trying to make that statement more right..


I still get your point hehe


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CDSmith 09-09-2001 05:51 PM

Mag, much of what I said above was more directed at answering Wizdom's comments, not yours, but I took the liberty of using your words to get my point across.

Yes, USA is a republic, thus the "melting pot" and "American first" approach. As for the 50%+1 approach and democaracy, that's exactly why we held the referendums, and the fucking separatists lost. They lost last time by the narrow margin of -5600 or something, but it is a clear LOSS just the same. All the rest of average Canadians had hoped that it would finally shut the whiners up for good, but no, they never shut up, they never stop whining no matter how much they are given. (And they've been given a hell of a lot).

You don't see the huge German/Nordic/Menonite communities out west here yapping about preserving their culture and separating do you?. They just preserve their culture on thier own and get on with life, they don't cause a national crisis every 4 or 5 years about it.

Lastly, as I said earlier, Quebec is NOT ONLY a French speaking province (with English as second language), there is a very large English population that is a minority in Quebec, yet again you don't hear THEM whining about preserving THEIR cultures do you? No, they get on with life, as should the separatists. I'll tell you what, if I ever see one of these separatist fuckers wiping his ass with MY flag, both of us will have to go to the hospital. Him to get his asshole fixed, and me to get my foot out of it http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif
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Balljoints 09-09-2001 06:35 PM

Funny how people judge people from another country on LIMITED interaction with people from that country. And funny how the people from Canada fight amongst themselves and at the same time have to say during this fighting how stupid Americans are.... All countries have their good things as well as bad. Since we don't all come from the same cultural background, and some work on stats they pull out of their ass, can't topics like this just be squelched before they start getting personal? If you are patriotic you love your country, and no matter what are going to think your country is the best in the world.

And not sure who said it, but the comment of Canada having the highest standard of living in the world LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I couldn't stop laughing when that was said http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

And the person that said the US is not a Democracy but a Republic.. WHAT?? And there is no such thing as a pure (insert your type of government) they are all hybrids. Nothing is perfect.

Balljoints

magnatique 09-09-2001 07:00 PM

balljoint, USA IS a republic, with a democratic approache..

Canada is not purely democratic, but it's one of the closest to it, at least amongst the most democratic ones..

CD compare pears with pears..

you compare minorities of BC (like chinese and all) not fighting for their culture...
with french from Quebec...

well, french from quebec are the majorities there, hence why they fight to keep the majority in their own province, hence they need to fight to keep it amongst a english bassin...

why english from quebec don't whine? same reason why chinese from BC don't whine... not the mass...

it's just not demographically and socially the same. France brought the country up, we got conquered, french kept the pride of a country of old, hence they kept the language as the last reminescence of it. what makes a people different is what makes them proud. USA are proud of their independance for example. then you get the threat of having your people deprived from it... hence the social unrest that we are seing.

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although the loss is clearly there from the democratic point of view, there is two things to notice here:

the radical seperatist DO whine for nothing IMHO

the people with opened eyes DO complain for a GOOD reason... that result clearly shows there is a HUGE political and Social unrest amongst the population, which has to be fixed.... this is clearly something to complain about... seperating is prolly not the answer, but there still is something to be done.


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all I'm trying to show here is that there's always two sides to the medal... while you see french whine for nothing, they see you keep on trying to fuck us out of it...

I'm personally the type who likes to see the full spectrum before making my judgement...

as much as I can now be seen to try and protect my french heritage in arguments, I probably have done the same to say some stuff they do is wrong when talking with my seperatist (is is still one, I dunno) Father.


NOTR 09-09-2001 07:18 PM

Gary that's what these checks are for?

Just a thought

Is Quebec the biggest porn producers in Canada ?

Peace

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