Over half of Americans dont believe in evolution - GoFuckYourself.com

Johny Traffic · 11-05-2004, 01:20 AM

When my American friend was trying to explain to me about the obsesion with church in politics, he showed me some stuff that we found amazing.

This is NOT a have a go at the Americans thread, just some interesting stuff I found amazing.

In a Gallup poll

About half of Canadians and Americans above age eighteen reject evolution as a valid scientific concept (Sonderstrom 2000). Almost 80 percent of Americans want creationism taught in public schools, and significant percentages want to ban the teaching of evolution (see Moore 2000).

A poll in early 2000 indicated that half of Americans believe that evolution is "far from being proven scientifically" (Finn and Kanstoroom 2000).

Even the biology teachers dont always teach it. In Oklahoma, 33 percent of high school biology teachers place little or no emphasis on evolution. In Kentucky, Indiana, and Tennessee, 23 percent of high school biology teachers have the same view (Weld and McNew 1999).

SlutFinder · 11-05-2004, 01:21 AM

was that the bush or the kerry half?

Warden · 11-05-2004, 01:22 AM

When is everyone going to just admit that our universe is nothing more than a microscopic science experiment?

Drake · 11-05-2004, 01:30 AM

A poll in early 2000 indicated that half of Americans believe that evolution is "far from being proven scientifically" (Finn and Kanstoroom 2000).

This is true, it is far from being proven, scientifically.

SleazyDream · 11-05-2004, 01:33 AM

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Originally posted by Mike33
A poll in early 2000 indicated that half of Americans believe that evolution is "far from being proven scientifically" (Finn and Kanstoroom 2000).

This is true, it is far from being proven, scientifically.

creation is well documanted in the bible

Johny Traffic · 11-05-2004, 01:34 AM

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This is true, it is far from being proven, scientifically

You dont believe in evolution?

Drake · 11-05-2004, 01:35 AM

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Originally posted by Johny Traffic
You dont believe in evolution?

No. And I'm not religious and I don't believe in the bible.

Joe Citizen · 11-05-2004, 01:38 AM

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Originally posted by Mike33
No. And I'm not religious and I don't believe in the bible.

Okay, so what exactly is your problem with it?

Johny Traffic · 11-05-2004, 01:39 AM

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No. And I'm not religious and I don't believe in the bible.

The alien theory then?

Drake · 11-05-2004, 01:41 AM

Btw, rejecting Evolutionary theory does not mean one is rejecting science. I'm a firm believer in science. Biology, astrology, chemistry, math, physics. Those are all wonderful sciences.

The problem with evolution is that it's based on millions of unverifiable assumptions of which few if any have actually been demonstrated.

Drake · 11-05-2004, 01:42 AM

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Originally posted by Johny Traffic
The alien theory then?

I guess you're one of those that thinks only in terms of two political parties. There can be no other. Maybe both parties suck. Maybe I just don't know and neither theory is satisfactory.
If it puts your mind at ease to believe in one, that's fine. Don't belittle me because I don't.

Joe Citizen · 11-05-2004, 01:44 AM

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Originally posted by Mike33
Btw, rejecting Evolutionary theory does not mean one is rejecting science. I'm a firm believer in science. Biology, astrology, chemistry, math, physics. Those are all wonderful sciences.

The problem with evolution is that it's based on millions of unverifiable assumptions of which few if any have actually been demonstrated.

How can you 'demonstrate' something that happens over millions of years?

Please name some of these unverifiable assumptions.

Johny Traffic · 11-05-2004, 01:45 AM

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I guess you're one of those that thinks only in terms of two political parties

People outside America have more that two political parties to choose from

Drake · 11-05-2004, 01:48 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
How can you 'demonstrate' something that happens over millions of years?

Please name some of these unverifiable assumptions.

Ok here's an assumption: evolution exists and happened over a million years ago

The way you demonstrate something? Just like any other science. I can demonstrate and prove something has a certain distance by calculating it. You can measure it with a tap measure and see if I was right. I can throw a rock up and watch it land to observe gravity at work.

Drake · 11-05-2004, 01:50 AM

Evolution is at best a patchwork science. A soft science, more like psychology or sociology rather than say, mathematics. And that's at best. I don't even think it's nearly as accurate as those.

Joe Citizen · 11-05-2004, 01:53 AM

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Originally posted by Mike33
Ok here's an assumption: evolution exists and happened over a million years ago

The way you demonstrate something? Just like any other science. I can demonstrate and prove something has a certain distance by calculating it. You can measure it with a tap measure and see if I was right. I can throw a rock up and watch it land to observe gravity at work.

Okay then, what kind of evidence would satisfy you that evolution happened over a million years ago?

What are you looking for?

Drake · 11-05-2004, 01:58 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Okay then, what kind of evidence would satisfy you that evolution happened over a million years ago?

What are you looking for?

1) Dig up all the missing links and put them in a row so we can see how apes turned into man. C'mon there has to be tons of them. We keep finding bones that are "millions" of years old. We even find bones of animals that were extinct millions of years ago, only to discover live ones.

and/or

2) Demonstrate in the lab evolution at work. Speed up the process so we can see a single cell to becoming varied species.

and/or

3) Create life in the lab. If one is able to create life in the lab, I would be willing to bank that they probably know a little something about the origin of life. So far, we can't create life. We can only take life and add genes or chemicals to life, or kill it.

Drake · 11-05-2004, 02:00 AM

You may think that's asking for a lot. We ask no less of the other sciences. If we want to call this a valid science we must hold it to the same standards. Until then, it is not one and cannot be assumed to be correct.

BRISK · 11-05-2004, 02:01 AM

According to Census Canada, more and more Canadians are reporting they have no religion.

% reporting no religion:

7% in 1981

12% in 1991

16% in 2001

CANADIANS ARE GOING TO HELL!!!!

Drake · 11-05-2004, 02:03 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
According to Census Canada, more and more Canadians are reporting they have no religion.

% reporting no religion:

7% in 1981

12% in 1991

16% in 2001

CANADIANS ARE GOING TO HELL!!!!

Still scary that only 16% are non-religious considering our knowledge of the world thru science.

Johny Traffic · 11-05-2004, 02:05 AM

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1) Dig up all the missing links and put them in a row so we can see how apes turned into man. C'mon there has to be tons of them. We keep finding bones that are "millions" of years old. We even find bones of animals that were extinct millions of years ago, only to discover live ones.

and/or

2) Demonstrate in the lab evolution at work. Speed up the process so we can see a single cell to becoming varied species.

and/or

3) Create life in the lab. If one is able to create life in the lab, I would be willing to bank that they probably know a little something about the origin of life. So far, we can't create life. We can only take life and add genes or chemicals to life, or kill it.

Man is taller now than he was 500 years ago. Have a look at european Knights armor, you can see how small we was. We have changed "evolved". Evolution takes place over millions of years with very small changes.

The proof you talk of is there, we can see cells in labs change and alter dependant on the conditions they are exposed to. Germs evolve on an hourly basis

Drake · 11-05-2004, 02:07 AM

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Originally posted by Johny Traffic
Man is taller now than he was 500 years ago. Have a look at european Knights armor, you can see how small we was. We have changed "evolved". Evolution takes place over millions of years with very small changes.

The proof you talk of is there, we can see cells in labs change and alter dependant on the conditions they are exposed to. Germs evolve on an hourly basis

Asians in North America are taller than Asians in Asia. It has nothing to do with evolution, but diet. There are all kind of hormones in foods today, we eat more foods, varied foods than those in the past.

Post evidence of germs evolving

titmowse · 11-05-2004, 02:12 AM

the earth is flat.

Go Cowboys!

jas1552 · 11-05-2004, 02:12 AM

Several members of my family didn't believe in evolution for a long time. It is frustrating as hell arguing with people who just don't want to believe in evolution. They all believe in evolution now but still believe in god and think god created the process. I don't think they're stupid. Just brainwashed. Indoctrinated from birth.

Drake · 11-05-2004, 02:13 AM

Guys I have to get some work done, may be back later.

Hey, even if we found Germs to 'evolve' (or is it 'mutate'?) would that mean that we evolved from apes? Still a big leap, tons of assumptions in between to make that jump in logic.

titmowse · 11-05-2004, 02:14 AM

we didn't evolve from apes. we came from rat-like critters actually.

that explains so much

Johny Traffic · 11-05-2004, 02:26 AM

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Several members of my family didn't believe in evolution for a long time. It is frustrating as hell arguing with people who just don't want to believe in evolution. They all believe in evolution now but still believe in god and think god created the process. I don't think they're stupid. Just brainwashed. Indoctrinated from birth.

This is what I find most strange, that in America, if you beleive in god you cant beleive in evolution, where as our religious people beleive in god and evolution. There is no conflict with evolution and the bible. But their all so extreme, everything is black and white, they often wont listen.

I always say this to these people. In genesis is says god created man in a day, but god also creates the day, so he decides how long a day is, maybe his day is is 24 hours, maybe it was 25 hours so he could get an extra hour in bed, we'd all love that if we could do it. Maybe his day was so hectic he added 10 hours, I know some days I need the extra hours

Isnt is also possible that his day is 1 million years

stevo · 11-05-2004, 02:26 AM

I saw Lewis Black's comedy standup tonight. He focused on religion & evolution... I kind of liked his response on this fight: "We have fossils... We win!"

I guess he did his standup in Georgia one time, and one of the nonbelievers told him "Fossils are the devil's handiwork."

Johny Traffic · 11-05-2004, 02:27 AM

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the earth is flat.

It is flat isnt it?

Johny Traffic · 11-05-2004, 02:28 AM

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we didn't evolve from apes. we came from rat-like critters actually.

Some of us didnt evolve that far

titmowse · 11-05-2004, 02:30 AM

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Originally posted by Johny Traffic
Some of us didnt evolve that far

the rats will be here long after the humans have died off. makes you wonder which is the more superior, doesn't it?

Johny Traffic · 11-05-2004, 02:42 AM

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I guess he did his standup in Georgia one time, and one of the nonbelievers told him "Fossils are the devil's handiwork."

Thats a great argument when you have nothing to back up what you say, just mention the devil and everyone says amen

ADL Colin · 11-05-2004, 02:46 AM

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Originally posted by Mike33
Guys I have to get some work done, may be back later.

Hey, even if we found Germs to 'evolve' (or is it 'mutate'?) would that mean that we evolved from apes? Still a big leap, tons of assumptions in between to make that jump in logic.

Once DNA comparison techniques were invented molecular evidence backed up what "evolutionists" already knew. Humans are more closely related to apes than any other animals.

When you dig downward and hence backward in time you stop finding modern humans and instead find creatures such as homo hobilis, homo erectus, the australopithecines and so on.

There is no "missing link". Evolution is a continuum with each generation able to mate with the previous generation. When a group becomes splintered into two isolated populations they can evolve in separate directions and become different species once they can no longer produce fertile offspring. Lions and tigers can mate but produce an infertile offspring. A horse and a donkey can mate and also produce an infertile offspring (a mule).

ADL Colin · 11-05-2004, 02:51 AM

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Originally posted by Johny Traffic
This is what I find most strange, that in America, if you beleive in god you cant beleive in evolution, where as our religious people beleive in god and evolution. There is no conflict with evolution and the bible. But their all so extreme, everything is black and white, they often wont listen.

I'd say having to assume that one day is really millions is a bit of conflict. Wouldn't you agree?

Johny Traffic · 11-05-2004, 03:05 AM

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I'd say having to assume that one day is really millions is a bit of conflict. Wouldn't you agree?

No I wouldnt agree, who's to say god's day's are the same as our days?

Going back to science, time as we know it and the rules of time that are true on earth just dont exist other places in the universe, Have a read of anything by Hawkins, youll see that our rules only apply here, so as god is suppose to live in the heavens who's to say if his day was 24 hours or 1 second or 1 billion years, it never once states in the bible that gods day has 24 hours in it

Johny Traffic · 11-05-2004, 03:08 AM

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A horse and a donkey can mate and also produce an infertile offspring (a mule)

I never knew that, I love GFY you learn so much

titmowse · 11-05-2004, 03:09 AM

which god we talking about? the jewish god? the christian god? the islamic god? they're all the same god, ya know.

Victor-E · 11-05-2004, 03:09 AM

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Originally posted by Mike33
Btw, rejecting Evolutionary theory does not mean one is rejecting science. I'm a firm believer in science. Biology, astrology, chemistry, math, physics. Those are all wonderful sciences.

The problem with evolution is that it's based on millions of unverifiable assumptions of which few if any have actually been demonstrated.

Just how far did you get in grade school? First of all, "astrology" is not a science. Go look up its definition in a dictionary, if you know what a dictionary is.

Second, evolution is "demonstrated" all the time. It is a constant, on going process. Aging is evolution. Growth is evolution. Mutation is evolution. Genetics are defined by the laws of evolution. Any form of change is evolution. Life itself is an evolution.

It's just that it was "outlawed" centuries ago by the church because it defied the obscene theory of creation and threatened to take away the power of the church over people. It was dangerous because it made people "think", which obviously hasn't succeeded fully yet. But then again, if it were perfect, it wouldn't be evolution

Paul Markham · 11-05-2004, 03:10 AM

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Originally posted by Mike33
Btw, rejecting Evolutionary theory does not mean one is rejecting science. I'm a firm believer in science. Biology, astrology, chemistry, math, physics. Those are all wonderful sciences.

The problem with evolution is that it's based on millions of unverifiable assumptions of which few if any have actually been demonstrated.

So are you saying that the Creation theory stands up to the same detailed examination?

Where in the bible does it explain dinosaurs?

sacX · 11-05-2004, 03:11 AM

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Originally posted by Mike33
1) Dig up all the missing links and put them in a row so we can see how apes turned into man. C'mon there has to be tons of them. We keep finding bones that are "millions" of years old. We even find bones of animals that were extinct millions of years ago, only to discover live ones.

and/or

2) Demonstrate in the lab evolution at work. Speed up the process so we can see a single cell to becoming varied species.

and/or

3) Create life in the lab. If one is able to create life in the lab, I would be willing to bank that they probably know a little something about the origin of life. So far, we can't create life. We can only take life and add genes or chemicals to life, or kill it.

Evolution in the lab : bacterial resistance to certain antibiotics.

Evolution is more a process for once life has started, it doesn't suppose to explain the very first instance of life.

stocktrader23 · 11-05-2004, 03:12 AM

Evolution has not been proven and probably never will be in our lifetime.

Joe Citizen · 11-05-2004, 03:12 AM

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Originally posted by Mike33
1) Dig up all the missing links and put them in a row so we can see how apes turned into man. C'mon there has to be tons of them. We keep finding bones that are "millions" of years old. We even find bones of animals that were extinct millions of years ago, only to discover live ones.

and/or

2) Demonstrate in the lab evolution at work. Speed up the process so we can see a single cell to becoming varied species.

and/or

3) Create life in the lab. If one is able to create life in the lab, I would be willing to bank that they probably know a little something about the origin of life. So far, we can't create life. We can only take life and add genes or chemicals to life, or kill it.

Question 1:

1. Ardipithecus Ramidus
2. Australopithecus Anamensis
3. Australopithecus Afarensis
4. Australopithecus Africanus
5. Australopithecus Garhi
6. Paranthropus Robustus
7. Paranthropus Boisei
8. Homo Habilis
9. Homo Erectus

Enough for you?

And no, there aren't tons of them. Fossilisation is an extremely rare process

Question 2:

Evolution has been observed outside of the lab many, many times. I't called micro-evolution. A classic example of this is the case of the peppered moth.

Question 3:

Abiogenesis or the origin of life has nothing to do with macro evolution. We will never know for sure the details of what the atmosphere or conditions on Earth were like over four billion years ago.

stocktrader23 · 11-05-2004, 03:13 AM

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Originally posted by Mike33
Btw, rejecting Evolutionary theory does not mean one is rejecting science. I'm a firm believer in science. Biology, astrology, chemistry, math, physics. Those are all wonderful sciences.

The problem with evolution is that it's based on millions of unverifiable assumptions of which few if any have actually been demonstrated.

Should have just quoted this.

Joe Citizen · 11-05-2004, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
Evolution has not been proven and probably never will be in our lifetime.

You don't prove scientific theories, you attempt to falsify them.

stocktrader23 · 11-05-2004, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen

Abiogenesis or the origin of life has nothing to do with macro evolution. We will never know for sure the details of what the atmosphere or conditions on Earth were like over four billion years ago.

I would venture to guess there isn't a person alive that could even prove the Earth was here 4 billion years ago.

Drake · 11-05-2004, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by Victor-E
Just how far did you get in grade school? First of all, "astrology" is not a science. Go look up its definition in a dictionary, if you know what a dictionary is.

Second, evolution is "demonstrated" all the time. It is a constant, on going process. Aging is evolution. Growth is evolution. Mutation is evolution. Genetics are defined by the laws of evolution. Any form of change is evolution. Life itself is an evolution.

It's just that it was "outlawed" centuries ago by the church because it defied the obscene theory of creation and threatened to take away the power of the church over people. It was dangerous because it made people "think", which obviously hasn't succeeded fully yet. But then again, if it were perfect, it wouldn't be evolution

Ok astrology may not be a science. That doesn't change my point.

Getting old is not evolution. I think you should do some reading about what evolutioary theory is all about.

Drake · 11-05-2004, 03:15 AM

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Originally posted by charly
So are you saying that the Creation theory stands up to the same detailed examination?

Where in the bible does it explain dinosaurs?

read ALL my posts above. I'm NOT religious.

Evolutionists are just as bad as the religious when it comes to this issue. You jump before reading or listening. You're almost no different than religious zealots.

stocktrader23 · 11-05-2004, 03:16 AM

Asking me to accept Evolution given the information we have today is like handing you a Bible and asking you to accept Jesus as your creator.

Paul Markham · 11-05-2004, 03:17 AM

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Originally posted by Mike33
Asians in North America are taller than Asians in Asia. It has nothing to do with evolution, but diet. There are all kind of hormones in foods today, we eat more foods, varied foods than those in the past.

Thank you for proving the theory of evolution.

Evolution is the changing of a species due to it's enviroment, for instance FOOD. Dinosaurs were already becoing extinct becasue of the changes in the earths temperature, climate and oxygen levels.

Man evolved when he learned to stand up in the grass lands gave him a better chance of seeing his predators.

For an anti Evolutionist you certainly do agree with it.

If you believe in the creation theory prove to me the earth was created in 6 days. Lay it out in a day by day order, demonstrate creation as you ask us to demonstrate evolution.

titmowse · 11-05-2004, 03:18 AM

okay. correct me if i'm wrong. evolution does not say man evolved FROM apes. it says that man and apes evolved from the same critters. rodents.

11-05-2004, 01:20 AM	#1
Johny Traffic Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,461	Over half of Americans dont believe in evolution When my American friend was trying to explain to me about the obsesion with church in politics, he showed me some stuff that we found amazing. This is NOT a have a go at the Americans thread, just some interesting stuff I found amazing. In a Gallup poll About half of Canadians and Americans above age eighteen reject evolution as a valid scientific concept (Sonderstrom 2000). Almost 80 percent of Americans want creationism taught in public schools, and significant percentages want to ban the teaching of evolution (see Moore 2000). A poll in early 2000 indicated that half of Americans believe that evolution is "far from being proven scientifically" (Finn and Kanstoroom 2000). Even the biology teachers dont always teach it. In Oklahoma, 33 percent of high school biology teachers place little or no emphasis on evolution. In Kentucky, Indiana, and Tennessee, 23 percent of high school biology teachers have the same view (Weld and McNew 1999). __________________ hosted flv's, hosted galleries, morphing rss feeds, free content, free sites, hosted blog

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Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	A poll in early 2000 indicated that half of Americans believe that evolution is "far from being proven scientifically" (Finn and Kanstoroom 2000). This is true, it is far from being proven, scientifically.

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Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Btw, rejecting Evolutionary theory does not mean one is rejecting science. I'm a firm believer in science. Biology, astrology, chemistry, math, physics. Those are all wonderful sciences. The problem with evolution is that it's based on millions of unverifiable assumptions of which few if any have actually been demonstrated.

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Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Evolution is at best a patchwork science. A soft science, more like psychology or sociology rather than say, mathematics. And that's at best. I don't even think it's nearly as accurate as those.

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Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	You may think that's asking for a lot. We ask no less of the other sciences. If we want to call this a valid science we must hold it to the same standards. Until then, it is not one and cannot be assumed to be correct.

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jas1552 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Land of the free, home of the brave Posts: 1,462	Several members of my family didn't believe in evolution for a long time. It is frustrating as hell arguing with people who just don't want to believe in evolution. They all believe in evolution now but still believe in god and think god created the process. I don't think they're stupid. Just brainwashed. Indoctrinated from birth.

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Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Guys I have to get some work done, may be back later. Hey, even if we found Germs to 'evolve' (or is it 'mutate'?) would that mean that we evolved from apes? Still a big leap, tons of assumptions in between to make that jump in logic.

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stevo Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 2,051	I saw Lewis Black's comedy standup tonight. He focused on religion & evolution... I kind of liked his response on this fight: "We have fossils... We win!" I guess he did his standup in Georgia one time, and one of the nonbelievers told him "Fossils are the devil's handiwork."

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stocktrader23 Let's do some business. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The dirty south. Posts: 18,781	Evolution has not been proven and probably never will be in our lifetime. __________________ Hands Free Adult - Join Once, Earn For Life "I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."

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titmowse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: TEXAS Posts: 5,320	okay. correct me if i'm wrong. evolution does not say man evolved FROM apes. it says that man and apes evolved from the same critters. rodents. __________________ I still love everybody