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Tanker 11-04-2004 07:50 PM

yes it is in english

Tanker 11-04-2004 07:51 PM

I would expect it to be in english

Tanker 11-04-2004 10:46 PM

How about any of you late nighters have you any idea for $100 dollars

skyechase 11-04-2004 10:51 PM

Where is Daniel Jackson when you need him :)

European Lee 11-04-2004 10:59 PM

Why dont you just use your ARS decoder ring?

Regards,

Lee

Tanker 11-05-2004 07:23 AM

Lee I wish it was that easy

Tanker 11-05-2004 08:02 AM

this one is tough but I know there is a smart GFYer that can unencrypt it I only wonder who it is that will WG is working on it too its very tricky

WiredGuy 11-05-2004 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tanker
this one is tough but I know there is a smart GFYer that can unencrypt it I only wonder who it is that will WG is working on it too its very tricky
The biggest problem is that something like this needs to be coded on a computer program because it's not using a standard 26 character alphabet. Instead, you have 39 characters to consider and then you need to somehow figure out how to rotate/shift the characters to create the new "language" so to speak. I've already tried a caesar decryption and vignere (2 simple key based decryptions) plus most of the standard shifts (1..26) but I'm not really willing to program a script to go through every single combination that's possible for a non-standard alphabet like we have here. I'll see what my C&O friend can come up with.

WG

Tanker 11-05-2004 08:24 AM

its definetly tough as hell its a major math problem :)

Tanker 11-05-2004 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
The biggest problem is that something like this needs to be coded on a computer program because it's not using a standard 26 character alphabet. Instead, you have 39 characters to consider and then you need to somehow figure out how to rotate/shift the characters to create the new "language" so to speak. I've already tried a caesar decryption and vignere (2 simple key based decryptions) plus most of the standard shifts (1..26) but I'm not really willing to program a script to go through every single combination that's possible for a non-standard alphabet like we have here. I'll see what my C&O friend can come up with.

WG


so we need some programmers that can decipher the code then ?

NetRodent 11-05-2004 12:50 PM

There are a couple of possible hints in the message:

1. In one part of the message it says the characters are "a-o" and "p-z". In another part it talks about the characters A-Z. The actual coded message is all in lower case, could the case of characters in the letter be connected with the key?

2. The code is described as an alpha numeric wheel. However the code includes characters that are not generally considered alphanumeric. It might just be a mistake or it might be significant.

3. The writer says he left out nulls and reverses. He doesn't say anything about stepping.

Tanker 11-05-2004 01:19 PM

net rodent there is going to be longitudes and lattitudes that will have "." in them so they have to be in there


this is a tricky puzzle very tricky big question is where do we start

colpanic 11-05-2004 01:58 PM

Well, I can program.. but I don't really know where to start.

There are too many possible ways without some sort of hint from the post.. If anybody figures out a likely way, I'll code it.

Problem is, it could be anything, like:

1. rotate the wheel 1 step with each character..

2. rotate the wheel X steps with each character.

3. rotate the wheel forward on .'s, or backward on -'s...

Without more help there are basically infinite possibilities.

(I already wrote a program to rule out the simple ones).

Supercharged 11-05-2004 02:12 PM

If you know the area that the cache is in, geographically... cant you at least tell a computer program to look for those strings...

clubgames 11-05-2004 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NetRodent

1. In one part of the message it says the characters are "a-o" and "p-z". In another part it talks about the characters A-Z. The actual coded message is all in lower case, could the case of characters in the letter be connected with the key?

2. The code is described as an alpha numeric wheel. However the code includes characters that are not generally considered alphanumeric. It might just be a mistake or it might be significant.

3. The writer says he left out nulls and reverses. He doesn't say anything about stepping. [/B]
1. Just a regular-expression-like hint, means it will use those characters within. However, that doesn't explain why there are dashes '-' within the crypt.

2. It's significant, but not to the solution. I'll explain more later.

3. Stepping?

clubgames 11-05-2004 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by colpanic

(I already wrote a program to rule out the simple ones).

If you have a brute-force dictionary of terms, I can write the program to brute-force the code and check to see if we have a match.

clubgames 11-05-2004 03:23 PM

I can prove it's not a straight alpha key rotation, as the puzzle suggests. So you'll either have to quess at each letter to make sense, or I need a dictionary of terms.

I don't want to post all the wrong solutions here, but if you message me, I'll send you them.

Tanker 11-06-2004 07:19 AM

any one having any luck? I look forward to giving someone the $100 prize

grumpy 11-06-2004 08:44 AM

a hint
the first 7 lines are all 35 characters.

clubgames 11-06-2004 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tanker
any one having any luck? I look forward to giving someone the $100 prize
Attached is a link to the code and txt that proves it's not a simple "decoder ring" rotation.

The text file contains all possible rotations, none of which makes sense.

Therefore, I need a dictionary of terms to search against, and a few hours of processing time to continue...

If anyone else wants to take this work and run with it, have at it.

Code and Rotates

colpanic 11-06-2004 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by clubgames
Attached is a link to the code and txt that proves it's not a simple "decoder ring" rotation.

The text file contains all possible rotations, none of which makes sense.

Therefore, I need a dictionary of terms to search against, and a few hours of processing time to continue...

If anyone else wants to take this work and run with it, have at it.

Code and Rotates

ClubGames: Im not sure what good a dictionary of terms would do you.. unless you have some guess as to the encryption algorithm. I mean, I used to dictionary passwd files back in the day, but that took awhile even though we knew the encoding scheme.

Anyway, if you have figured out some way to do it, why don't you just dictionary a bunch of common words that would be in any sentence? you know, "the" "and" "or" "money", whatever. Anything that starts returning english words at all is a pretty decent start.

Tanker 11-08-2004 09:22 AM

just checking in to see if someone discvered the code


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