Bin Laden warning to 'Red' states.. vote for Bush and you're the enemy

[wvuatl]

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/33124.htm

November 1, 2004 -- WASHINGTON - Osama bin Laden warned in his October Surprise video that he will be closely monitoring the state-by-state election returns in tomorrow's presidential race ? and will spare any state that votes against President Bush from being attacked, according to a new analysis of his statement.
The respected Middle East Media Research Institute, which monitors and translates Arabic media and Internet sites, said initial translations of a key portion of bin Laden's video rant to the American people Friday night missed an ostentatious bid by the Saudi-born terror master to divide American voters and tilt the election towards Democratic challenger John Kerry.

MEMRI said radical Islamist commentators monitored over the Internet this past weekend also interpreted the key passage of bin Laden's diatribe to mean that any U.S. state that votes to elect Bush on Tuesday will be considered an "enemy" and any state that votes for Kerry has "chosen to make peace with us."

The statement in question is when bin Laden said on the tape: "Your security is up to you, and any state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security."

That sentence followed a lengthy passage in the video in which bin Laden launches personal attacks on the president.

Yigal Carmon, president of MEMRI, said bin Laden used the Arabic term "ay-wilaya" to refer to a "state" in that sentence.

That term "specifically refers to an American state, like Tennessee," Carmon said, adding that if bin Laden were referring to a "country" he would have used the Arabic word "dawla."

MEMRI also translated an analysis of bin Laden's statement from the Islamist Web site al-Qal'a, well known for posting al-Qaeda messages, which agreed that bin Laden's use of the word "ay-wilaya" was meant as a "warning to every U.S state separately."

"It means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president, it means that it chose to fight us and we will consider it an enemy to us, and any state that will vote against Bush, it means that it chose to make peace with us and we will not characterize it as an enemy," the Web site said, according to MEMRI's translation.

[brizzad]

i'd love to post what im thinking... but from what i've heard the gov't monitors this board

[Phoenix]

looks like you can change the entire meaning of something by imaking one word mean state instead of country


cool


wag the dog

[Doctor Dre]

lol ... I just hope this will help kerry win

[Head]

Bush and Bin Laden are friends.

[mardigras]

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
lol ... I just hope this will help kerry win

I don't want people to vote for Kerry because of the words of a terrorist. I want them to vote for Kerry because it is the right thing to do

[wvuatl]

I just think it's interesting that until this translation, that tape really didn't mean shit...

All I know is my state, GA, is flamming Red... so I'll be prepared to kick some Bin Laden ass!

[Slick]

They should get that article out to as many Bush supporters as they can, ROFL, ha ha ha.

[Fake Nick]

hi bullshit story

New York voted for Gore

[GatorB]

Bin Ladden heard about these "red" states and he got flashbacks to the 1980's Afghanistan. He probally thinks they are run by commies. Ironic that repubs are supposed to be so anti-commmie yet they claim RED as their color.

[Dalai lama]

Bush sucks anyway

[Tat2Jr]

Whew! Thank you California!

[Digipimp]

that's the most fucktarded analysis of a bin laden statement i've seen in a long time

[wvuatl]

found the actual report from the people who did the translation:

http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SA1404

[TheLegacy]

forget all this crap about bin laden and the war - the question is which man is best for the country?? Look after your own backyard first - and looking at the track record Bush has hurt this country too much to stay in power... Kerry at least has a plan to heal the damage done.

[GatorB]

Originally posted by Fake Nick
hi bullshit story

New York voted for Gore

NOt BS he actually said that. 9-11 was planned while Clinton was in office. Ossama got a grude pesonally against Bush now. of course he should consider himself luck Bush is the President since he has been so incompetent to find him. Bush says he doesn't even think about Ossama dn well get him "eventually". How nice. Perhaps the familes of 3000 dead would like Ossama captured or killed sometime soon. I wonder if one of Bush's girls was in those towers or on one of those planes if Ossama would be captured by now? You betcha.

[wvuatl]

Originally posted by GatorB
NOt BS he actually said that. 9-11 was planned while Clinton was in office. Ossama got a grude pesonally against Bush now. of course he should consider himself luck Bush is the President since he has been so incompetent to find him. Bush says he doesn't even think about Ossama dn well get him "eventually". How nice. Perhaps the familes of 3000 dead would like Ossama captured or killed sometime soon. I wonder if one of Bush's girls was in those towers or on one of those planes if Ossama would be captured by now? You betcha.

The first bombing of the twin towers was designed to bring them down.. it failed.. 9/11 was the second try.

There has also been links to that attack and Iraq.

[angelsofporn]

Originally posted by GatorB
NOt BS he actually said that. 9-11 was planned while Clinton was in office. Ossama got a grude pesonally against Bush now. of course he should consider himself luck Bush is the President since he has been so incompetent to find him. Bush says he doesn't even think about Ossama dn well get him "eventually". How nice. Perhaps the familes of 3000 dead would like Ossama captured or killed sometime soon. I wonder if one of Bush's girls was in those towers or on one of those planes if Ossama would be captured by now? You betcha.

yeah..or if one of bush's dughters had to fight on the ground in iraq like other kids her age if we would have gone to iraq at all...no way

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally posted by wvuatl
The first bombing of the twin towers was designed to bring them down.. it failed.. 9/11 was the second try.

There has also been links to that attack and Iraq.

Bullshit.

[DogsandBigCats]

Fucking idiots who write this shit. I guess Bin Laden doesn't care that Kerry says "We will find the terrorists, AND KILL THEM...."

[GatorB]

Originally posted by wvuatl


There has also been links to that attack and Iraq.

My god you are stupid. there weren't any terroist in Iraq until AFTER Bush invaded. Sorry but Saddam was #1 in Iraq he's not going to let anyone especially a religious zealot like Ossama appear to be as strong as him in his own country.

[wvuatl]

Originally posted by GatorB
My god you are stupid. there weren't any terroist in Iraq until AFTER Bush invaded. Sorry but Saddam was #1 in Iraq he's not going to let anyone especially a religious zealot like Ossama appear to be as strong as him in his own country.

The first WTC bombings and Iraq:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/771597/posts

GatorB

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by GatorB
My god you are stupid. there weren't any terroist in Iraq until AFTER Bush invaded. Sorry but Saddam was #1 in Iraq he's not going to let anyone especially a religious zealot like Ossama appear to be as strong as him in his own country.

No sir, you are indeed the stupid one. Abdul Rahman Yasin was linked to the first bombing of the WTC, and fled to Iraq after he was indicted, he was not arrested in Iraq and continued to live there despite requests for his return.

I have read "The War Against America - Saddam Hussein and the World Trade Center Attacks" however, and the evidense of Iraq's involvement is flimsy at best - it centers around if Ramzi Ahmed Yousef worked for Iraqi Intelligence, if Yousef was whom he claimed he was, and links to Sudan, and how dates relating to the Iraq invasion coincided with the WTC bombing, it was also related to Iraq because of the use of hydrogen cyanide as a chemical weapon in the original WTC bombing and because Saddam also used cyanide gas as a weapon they use that as a link.

Pretty flimsy.

[baddog]

Originally posted by angelsofporn
yeah..or if one of bush's dughters had to fight on the ground in iraq like other kids her age if we would have gone to iraq at all...no way

You seem to forget that we have an all volunteer military

[Alex From San Diego]

Originally posted by baddog
You seem to forget that we have an all volunteer military

A lot of people seem to forget that....


If you join the military, you are saying you are willing to go to war if asked upon to.

No one put a gun to anyones head to join...They fucking volunteered.

Some people are just to fucking stupid to understand that theory.

[stev0]

Originally posted by mardigras
I don't want people to vote for Kerry because of the words of a terrorist. I want them to vote for Kerry because it is the right thing to do

Bush is more of a terrorist than Bin Laden ever was.. he needs to be voted out, and if Bin Laden helps make that happen I have no complaints against it.

[EviLSuperstaR]

Originally posted by Head
Bush and Bin Laden are friends.

Exactly. He is so fond of little Georgie that he put on his best dress to give his friend some support right before the elections.

And btw thanks for those 377 tons of explosives, Georgie.

[NichePay_Manny]

Yes everyone GET OUT AND VOTE !!!!! for KERRY

[lickmymonster]

Originally posted by wvuatl
The first WTC bombings and Iraq:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/771597/posts

GatorB

That's a post on a blog.

You are a dumbass.

[Pud]

Bump for this Post fuck the red states

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by Pud
Bump for this Post fuck the red states

pretty funny! Some faggots haven't got the clue that Bin Laden wants to kill them no matter whom they vote for.

[CamChicks]

Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
A lot of people seem to forget that....


If you join the military, you are saying you are willing to go to war if asked upon to.

No one put a gun to anyones head to join...They fucking volunteered.

Some people are just to fucking stupid to understand that theory.

What about joining the National Guard? Until this mess in Iraq, that force was mainly about keeping people prepared to defend the homeland, and provide security and relief after disasters. Legal or not, they changed the commonly understood definition of that job.

And I would suggest that those in the 'real' conventional forces joined up because they wanted to protect America; accepting that they may sacrifice their own lives, with the understanding that they would never be asked to unnecessarily.

I would hope we don't have a large number of people volunteering because they look forward to charging around the world like modern-day vikings. I don't believe our troops want to be seen by the world as hostile invaders, participating in unprovoked aggression, destroying a country and poisoning people who did nothing to harm us.

[Phoenix]

Bin Laden is a strong person..he doesnt take it personally that kerry will try to hunt him down and kill him..he lets us know he expects it when he says it was not out intent to take down the towers.


just as i fear the bush admin knew about the attacks, but never expected those towers to come down..well save for a few people who helped detonate the explosives. but that is another story

moral here is..he doesnt care that he is a marked man..he cares about the US foreign policy and that is how his regime will judge the US..he could careless about being hunted..he knew he would be a target

he is the real deal not a coward liek saddam

btw..i do not support bin laden..just trying to clear some of the bs

[Alex From San Diego]

Originally posted by CamChicks
What about joining the National Guard? Until this mess in Iraq, that force was mainly about keeping people prepared to defend the homeland, and provide security and relief after disasters. Legal or not, they changed the commonly understood definition of that job.

And I would suggest that those in the 'real' conventional forces joined up because they wanted to protect America; accepting that they may sacrifice their own lives, with the understanding that they would never be asked to unnecessarily.

I would hope we don't have a large number of people volunteering because they look forward to charging around the world like modern-day vikings. I don't believe our troops want to be seen by the world as hostile invaders, participating in unprovoked aggression, destroying a country and poisoning people who did nothing to harm us.

National Guard Mission

"During peacetime each state National Guard answers to the leadership in the 50 states, three territories and the District of Columbia. During national emergencies, however, the President reserves the right to mobilize the National Guard, putting them in federal duty status. While federalized, the units answer to the Combatant Commander of the theatre in which they are operating and, ultimately, to the President."

Whoever joins the National Guard should be aware of what MAY happen.

I hate to say this but you are the property of the US government when you volunteer for the military. You either accept that prior to joining or don't join.

Unless you have been in, you wouldn't or would I expect you to understand.

[CamChicks]

Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
National Guard Mission

"During peacetime each state National Guard answers to the leadership in the 50 states, three territories and the District of Columbia. During national emergencies, however, the President reserves the right to mobilize the National Guard, putting them in federal duty status. While federalized, the units answer to the Combatant Commander of the theatre in which they are operating and, ultimately, to the President."

Whoever joins the National Guard should be aware of what MAY happen.

I know it's technically allowed. But they've never been used like this before in our lifetime. A standard had been set. They're not stupid for assuming what the job would be like, in spite of the fine-print.

[CET]

Originally posted by Fake Nick
hi bullshit story

New York voted for Gore

At the time, Bush wasn't blowing up half of the middle east either.

[CET]

Originally posted by TheLegacy
forget all this crap about bin laden and the war - the question is which man is best for the country?? Look after your own backyard first - and looking at the track record Bush has hurt this country too much to stay in power... Kerry at least has a plan to heal the damage done.

His plan is almost exactly the same as Bush's plan, the only difference is that he isn't Bush, therefore people support him.

[CET]

Originally posted by GatorB
My god you are stupid. there weren't any terroist in Iraq until AFTER Bush invaded. Sorry but Saddam was #1 in Iraq he's not going to let anyone especially a religious zealot like Ossama appear to be as strong as him in his own country.

Then how do you explain the training camp and 747 fuselage found in northern Iraq shortly after the invasion?

[CET]

Originally posted by xenophobic
pretty funny! Some faggots haven't got the clue that Bin Laden wants to kill them no matter whom they vote for.

Congratualtions, you've bought into the warhawk propoganda! Try listening to what Osama is saying instead of what Bush or Rush Limbaugh says Osama is saying. If we leave the middle east alone, he'll leave us alone. What part of that is so hard to understand?

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by CET
Congratualtions, you've bought into the warhawk propoganda! Try listening to what Osama is saying instead of what Bush or Rush Limbaugh says Osama is saying. If we leave the middle east alone, he'll leave us alone. What part of that is so hard to understand?

Perhaps you would likewise believe Dahmer when he says he won't make your Boyfriend into stew, if you let him hug him.

Believing the rhetoric of mass-murderers is pretty damn funny.

[Black Dog]

And what will happen if Kerry wins and keeps bombing Iraq (as he said he will)? Will Al Qaeda still be "at peace" with the Kerry-voting states?

B

[TheMob]

Originally posted by Black Dog
And what will happen if Kerry wins and keeps bombing Iraq (as he said he will)? Will Al Qaeda still be "at peace" with the Kerry-voting states?

B

kerry will pull out of iraq really quickly. it's not his war.

[VeriSexy]

Desert Storm Bush Sr (1991)
to
Hurricane Andrew 1992
Hurricane Iniki 1992

Operation Iraqi Freedom Bush Jr (2003)
to
Hurricane Charley 2004
Hurricane Jeanne 2004
Hurricane Frances 2004
Hurricane Ivan 2004

That is damn freaky, God must be angry

[wvuatl]

Originally posted by TheMob
kerry will pull out of iraq really quickly. it's not his war.

If we pull out of Iraq too fast the Iraqi people will be FUCKED.. that is the wrong move... we need to finish and finish right.

Would you want Iran to come in and take over??

[Alex From San Diego]

Originally posted by CET
Congratualtions, you've bought into the warhawk propoganda! Try listening to what Osama is saying instead of what Bush or Rush Limbaugh says Osama is saying. If we leave the middle east alone, he'll leave us alone. What part of that is so hard to understand?

And you believe him?


You were the kid who was promised by the school bully if you gave him your dessert, he would spare you from a daily ass beating. Another words, PUSS.

I was the kid who was attempted to be bullied by the school bully into giving him my dessert but instead, said fuck you and proceeded to stab him in the leg with my #2 pencil.

Fuck what Bin Shitbag says. His words are shit and are meaningless.

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by TheMob
kerry will pull out of iraq really quickly. it's not his war.

The Us..no matter who it is led by is not allowed to pull out

that is the big problem..the only hope is getting other countries in there and eventually the UN. Then you are allowed to leave and wont be forced to spend all your money there. Sad that he lied about what you owe the people of iraq if you invade them

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by Phoenix
The Us..no matter who it is led by is not allowed to pull out

that is the big problem..the only hope is getting other countries in there and eventually the UN. Then you are allowed to leave and wont be forced to spend all your money there. Sad that he lied about what you owe the people of iraq if you invade them

not 'allowed' to pull out?
then you are "allowed" to leave?

hm?

[CET]

Originally posted by xenophobic
Perhaps you would likewise believe Dahmer when he says he won't make your Boyfriend into stew, if you let him hug him.

Believing the rhetoric of mass-murderers is pretty damn funny.

When an individual keeps putting out statements as to why he's giving us shit and we keep ignoring him, making excuses and doing the shit that he says is pissing him off; that's pretty fuckin stupid. If we leave them alone and he keeps fucking with us, then it's on. However, we haven't given that a chance, we're still doing what's pissing him off, only more so.

BTW, your analogy is what we call a Straw Man Argument.

The Straw Man is a type of Red Herring because the arguer is attempting to refute his opponent's position, and in the context is required to do so, but instead attacks a position?the "straw man"?not held by his opponent. In a Straw Man argument, the arguer argues to a conclusion that denies the "straw man" he has set up, but misses the target. There may be nothing wrong with the argument presented by the arguer when it is taken out of context, that is, it may be a perfectly good argument against the straw man. It is only because the burden of proof is on the arguer to argue against the opponent's position that a Straw Man fallacy is committed. So, the fallacy is not simply the argument, but the entire situation of the argument occurring in such a context.

[CET]

Originally posted by TheMob
kerry will pull out of iraq really quickly. it's not his war.

Someone hasn't been paying attention to what Kerry has been saying and is positing what he wants Kerry to say.

[CET]

Originally posted by VeriSexy
Desert Storm Bush Sr (1991)
to
Hurricane Andrew 1992
Hurricane Iniki 1992

Operation Iraqi Freedom Bush Jr (2003)
to
Hurricane Charley 2004
Hurricane Jeanne 2004
Hurricane Frances 2004
Hurricane Ivan 2004

That is damn freaky, God must be angry

How many fucking times are you going to make this post? Who's got the timeline pic?