WG explain this google phenomenon to me please - GoFuckYourself.com

Alex · 10-29-2004, 07:06 PM

Miserable Failure

Explain please.

jmk · 10-29-2004, 07:07 PM

cos tons of web sites link to that site with "miserable failure"

woj · 10-29-2004, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by jmk
cos tons of web sites link to that site with "miserable failure"

was about to say that...

Trixxxia · 10-29-2004, 07:10 PM

These terms only appear in links pointing to this page: miserable failure

smit · 10-29-2004, 07:11 PM

el google bomb

Trixxxia · 10-29-2004, 07:13 PM

Seems this is one of them - can't find others

http://www.blogforamerica.com/archives/003936.html

AkiraSS · 10-29-2004, 07:16 PM

Google's (and Inktomi's) Miserable Failure
By Danny Sullivan, Editor
January 6, 2004

By now, many have learned about how a search for miserable failure on Google brings up the official George W. Bush biography from the US White House web site. Dismissed by Google as not a problem, it points out a case where the real miserable failure is Google itself.

"Google Bombing" like this has happened in the past, and in general, it has little impact on most people. Making a site come up tops for a relatively obscure query such as "miserable failure," which brings back less than 200,000 matches, is much different than exercising some super-control over Google for popular or commonly-performed searches.

I've written about other examples of Google Bombing in the past (Google Bombs Aren't So Scary) and why I think it tends to be overplayed. But in this case, I find myself agreeing with The Register's Andrew Orlowski, who discussed how blogging activity might "googlewash" a term earlier this year. This is when the originating document or original meaning of a term is lost due to new material coming into the search results.

Unlike what Google claims in this latest incident, the results that currently come up for miserable failure do not "reflect the opinion on the web," nor is it true that "no user is hurt" or that there is no "clearly legitimate site for 'miserable failure' being pushed aside."

This Google Bombing was done by at most a few hundred links pointing at the biography, if that many. Google annoyingly makes it impossible to tell exactly how many links are involved using the term, but to say that this particular campaign is the same as the "opinion on the web" is absurd. So only a few hundred people are able to speak for millions of web users? This isn't the web's opinion -- it's a particular opinion on the web.

Users are also hurt, because there are indeed "legitimate" sites for this query that get knocked down in the results.

What's a legitimate site? Seems like the Dick Gephardt For President site deserves top ranking, since he appears to have christened Bush's administration a "miserable failure" as part of his campaign slogan. In short, Gephardt's site is an originating source for this term and actually provides much more useful information for those wondering how it relates to Bush than the biography prank.

Rather than be first, Gephardt is ranked eighth. Only two weeks ago, he was ranked third. At this rate, the game Google's happy for people to play (see new entries of Hillary Clinton, Jimmy Carter and Michael Moore) will have pushed Gephardt's site out of the top results and into oblivion altogether.

Another good listing is an article from the Atlantic Monthly that explores how Gephardt is using "miserable failure" as part of his campaign to attack Bush. Again, this is a far more useful site for users than ranking the Bush biography first. Only two weeks ago, this was ranked second. Now the gaming has pushed it to fifth.

Calling Google Bombing "cybergraffiti" as the New York Times does is appropriate. Google did have good listings for this query, for the few who were probably doing it before this prank emerged. Now, Google appears happy for this blogging campaign (and now new ones) to spray paint whatever it wants above more relevant listings.

Again, most of the time this isn't a big deal. Arguing who should be number one for "talentless hack," a past Google Bomb, is more of an amusement. But "miserable failure" is a campaign slogan in a major US presidential race. What comes up for it matters much more.

By the way, Inktomi also has Bush's biography coming up for miserable failure, underscoring that link manipulation isn't just a Google problem. It's a challenge that Google's most direct crawler-competitor also faces. But Teoma, which uses a unique form of link analysis, has escaped the bombing.

There's at least some good news for Bush. His former campaign store web site is no longer number one on Google for what I'll euphemistically call a search for "dumb Oedipus," as was the case back at the beginning of 2001.

WiredGuy · 10-29-2004, 08:04 PM

This is one of the first Google bomb's that was ever done. More about Google bombing can be read here: http://www.wordspy.com/words/Googlebombing.asp

Essentially its exactly what everyone already said here. The anchor text of lots and lots of websites are all populating their links with the string "miserable failure" in order to gain a top ranking.

WG

JustJen · 10-29-2004, 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
This is one of the first Google bomb's that was ever done. More about Google bombing can be read here: http://www.wordspy.com/words/Googlebombing.asp

Essentially its exactly what everyone already said here. The anchor text of lots and lots of websites are all populating their links with the string "miserable failure" in order to gain a top ranking.

WG

Will u marry me??

nick050183 · 10-29-2004, 08:11 PM

Yea i think everybody already asnwered it. But yea the key here is SEO tactics used by the owner of the website.

On a more personal note thats hilarious

WiredGuy · 10-29-2004, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by EpicJen
Will u marry me??

YES!!

JustJen · 10-29-2004, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
YES!!

Vegas it is!!!!!

WiredGuy · 10-29-2004, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by EpicJen
Vegas it is!!!!!

Watch what you say, I'll hold you to it

WG

Scootermuze · 10-29-2004, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
............
Essentially its exactly what everyone already said here. The anchor text of lots and lots of websites are all populating their links with the string "miserable failure" in order to gain a top ranking.

WG

And the actual site could be without the first keyword...

WiredGuy · 10-29-2004, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by Scootermuze
And the actual site could be without the first keyword...

The way Google ranks sites is rather interesting; the actual keyword may never appear on the actual webpage and obtain a top ranking solely based on the anchor text from everyone else's links. The reason Google still favours this technique is rather simple, it's hard for a webmaster to gather thousands of links to point to a single site with the same anchor text (still possible but hard to accomplish).

WG

nick050183 · 10-29-2004, 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
The way Google ranks sites is rather interesting; the actual keyword may never appear on the actual webpage and obtain a top ranking solely based on the anchor text from everyone else's links. The reason Google still favours this technique is rather simple, it's hard for a webmaster to gather thousands of links to point to a single site with the same anchor text (still possible but hard to accomplish).

WG

Unless you manufactor the anchor links.

nick050183 · 10-29-2004, 08:24 PM

But i do agree it is extremely difficult.

Alex · 10-29-2004, 09:09 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
This is one of the first Google bomb's that was ever done. More about Google bombing can be read here: http://www.wordspy.com/words/Googlebombing.asp

Essentially its exactly what everyone already said here. The anchor text of lots and lots of websites are all populating their links with the string "miserable failure" in order to gain a top ranking.

WG

I like it when you talk like that

WiredGuy · 10-29-2004, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by kaliboy2g
I like it when you talk like that

Glad I could help.
WG

Alex · 10-29-2004, 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
Glad I could help.
WG

One more q.

How many sites have to link to the site with the text used for a top rank in google.

Thousands, tens of thousands??

WiredGuy · 10-29-2004, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by kaliboy2g
One more q.

How many sites have to link to the site with the text used for a top rank in google.

Thousands, tens of thousands??

That's a rather vague question as it depends on the types of sites and their associated PR's. A single link from CNN could outweigh 100's or even 1000's of blog links for example. In addition it depends on the keyword you're targeting and the associated competition / PR for the target keyword you're going after.

WG

Alex · 10-29-2004, 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
That's a rather vague question as it depends on the types of sites and their associated PR's. A single link from CNN could outweigh 100's or even 1000's of blog links for example. In addition it depends on the keyword you're targeting and the associated competition / PR for the target keyword you're going after.

WG

Right.

Lets say with an average PR of 5 and mostly blog sites.

Can you even roughly give me a # ?

WiredGuy · 10-29-2004, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by kaliboy2g
Right.

Lets say with an average PR of 5 and mostly blog sites.

Can you even roughly give me a # ?

Still can't. Depends on the target keyword and it's associated competition. The same 100 links could mean a top ranking for something like "amateur teen nude girls" versus "amateur sex". It has to do with number of links, quality of links, competition on the keyword of choice and many more factors. I can't just pull a number out of thin air without knowing a lot more info.

WG

Alex · 10-29-2004, 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
Still can't. Depends on the target keyword and it's associated competition. The same 100 links could mean a top ranking for something like "amateur teen nude girls" versus "amateur sex". It has to do with number of links, quality of links, competition on the keyword of choice and many more factors. I can't just pull a number out of thin air without knowing a lot more info.

WG

Im gonna go eat a tub of rocky road now.

No one loves me no more.

j/k

Thanks for the help anyways.

WiredGuy · 10-29-2004, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by kaliboy2g

Im gonna go eat a tub of rocky road now.

No one loves me no more.

j/k

Thanks for the help anyways.

Sounds better than filtering keywords on a friday night

WG

Doctor Dre · 10-29-2004, 10:10 PM

Very old ... :P

WiredGuy · 10-30-2004, 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Very old ... :P

True, although I think "talentless hack" was the first attempted Google bomb.

WG

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WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,482	This is one of the first Google bomb's that was ever done. More about Google bombing can be read here: http://www.wordspy.com/words/Googlebombing.asp Essentially its exactly what everyone already said here. The anchor text of lots and lots of websites are all populating their links with the string "miserable failure" in order to gain a top ranking. WG __________________ I play with Google.

10-29-2004, 07:07 PM	#2
jmk Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,391	cos tons of web sites link to that site with "miserable failure"

10-29-2004, 07:10 PM	#4
Trixxxia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 5,600	These terms only appear in links pointing to this page: miserable failure

10-29-2004, 07:13 PM	#6
Trixxxia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 5,600	Seems this is one of them - can't find others http://www.blogforamerica.com/archives/003936.html

10-29-2004, 07:16 PM	#7
AkiraSS Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ICQ: 17630227 Posts: 2,988	Google's (and Inktomi's) Miserable Failure By Danny Sullivan, Editor January 6, 2004 By now, many have learned about how a search for miserable failure on Google brings up the official George W. Bush biography from the US White House web site. Dismissed by Google as not a problem, it points out a case where the real miserable failure is Google itself. "Google Bombing" like this has happened in the past, and in general, it has little impact on most people. Making a site come up tops for a relatively obscure query such as "miserable failure," which brings back less than 200,000 matches, is much different than exercising some super-control over Google for popular or commonly-performed searches. I've written about other examples of Google Bombing in the past (Google Bombs Aren't So Scary) and why I think it tends to be overplayed. But in this case, I find myself agreeing with The Register's Andrew Orlowski, who discussed how blogging activity might "googlewash" a term earlier this year. This is when the originating document or original meaning of a term is lost due to new material coming into the search results. Unlike what Google claims in this latest incident, the results that currently come up for miserable failure do not "reflect the opinion on the web," nor is it true that "no user is hurt" or that there is no "clearly legitimate site for 'miserable failure' being pushed aside." This Google Bombing was done by at most a few hundred links pointing at the biography, if that many. Google annoyingly makes it impossible to tell exactly how many links are involved using the term, but to say that this particular campaign is the same as the "opinion on the web" is absurd. So only a few hundred people are able to speak for millions of web users? This isn't the web's opinion -- it's a particular opinion on the web. Users are also hurt, because there are indeed "legitimate" sites for this query that get knocked down in the results. What's a legitimate site? Seems like the Dick Gephardt For President site deserves top ranking, since he appears to have christened Bush's administration a "miserable failure" as part of his campaign slogan. In short, Gephardt's site is an originating source for this term and actually provides much more useful information for those wondering how it relates to Bush than the biography prank. Rather than be first, Gephardt is ranked eighth. Only two weeks ago, he was ranked third. At this rate, the game Google's happy for people to play (see new entries of Hillary Clinton, Jimmy Carter and Michael Moore) will have pushed Gephardt's site out of the top results and into oblivion altogether. Another good listing is an article from the Atlantic Monthly that explores how Gephardt is using "miserable failure" as part of his campaign to attack Bush. Again, this is a far more useful site for users than ranking the Bush biography first. Only two weeks ago, this was ranked second. Now the gaming has pushed it to fifth. Calling Google Bombing "cybergraffiti" as the New York Times does is appropriate. Google did have good listings for this query, for the few who were probably doing it before this prank emerged. Now, Google appears happy for this blogging campaign (and now new ones) to spray paint whatever it wants above more relevant listings. Again, most of the time this isn't a big deal. Arguing who should be number one for "talentless hack," a past Google Bomb, is more of an amusement. But "miserable failure" is a campaign slogan in a major US presidential race. What comes up for it matters much more. By the way, Inktomi also has Bush's biography coming up for miserable failure, underscoring that link manipulation isn't just a Google problem. It's a challenge that Google's most direct crawler-competitor also faces. But Teoma, which uses a unique form of link analysis, has escaped the bombing. There's at least some good news for Bush. His former campaign store web site is no longer number one on Google for what I'll euphemistically call a search for "dumb Oedipus," as was the case back at the beginning of 2001.

10-29-2004, 08:11 PM	#10
nick050183 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Savannah Georgia Posts: 190	Yea i think everybody already asnwered it. But yea the key here is SEO tactics used by the owner of the website. On a more personal note thats hilarious

10-29-2004, 08:24 PM	#17
nick050183 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Savannah Georgia Posts: 190	But i do agree it is extremely difficult.