Kerry's explanation for allowing partial birth abortion - GoFuckYourself.com

ItBurnsWhenIpee · 10-26-2004, 12:55 AM

In the second debate, Kerry said he didn't vote against banning partial birth abortion, and said something about the mother's health might be an issue.

Is this actually true that a mother would have a better chance of surviving birth if the baby's brain was stabbed with some scissors, and then she birthed it? I don't understand. Can anyone explain?

eroswebmaster · 10-26-2004, 12:56 AM

I think he just likes killing unborn children.

That's what makes us pro choice people all wet.

foolio · 10-26-2004, 12:58 AM

fucking bumbass.

There ARE times where the mother can die if the baby is not aborted.

Bush rather BOTH the mother AND baby die. Its not pretty, but there are times when this can happen.

ItBurnsWhenIpee · 10-26-2004, 01:00 AM

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Originally posted by foolio
fucking bumbass.

There ARE times where the mother can die if the baby is not aborted.

Bush rather BOTH the mother AND baby die. Its not pretty, but there are times when this can happen.

Mothers can die from giving birth, but how is the baby being braindead during the process helping things? It's just an honest question, no need to get your panties in a bunch.

Mr.Fiction · 10-26-2004, 01:02 AM

No one agrees on the issue of abortion. It's a personal issue, not a legal or medical one.

Kerry supports your right to make your own decision.

Bush wants to make the decision for you.

If you are stupid and can't make your own decisions and need the government to tell you what to do, vote for Bush.

BruceM · 10-26-2004, 01:04 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
No one agrees on the issue of abortion. It's a personal issue, not a legal or medical one.

Kerry supports your right to make your own decision.

Bush wants to make the decision for you.

If you are stupid and can't make your own decisions and need the government to tell you what to do, vote for Bush.

Good answer

ItBurnsWhenIpee · 10-26-2004, 01:04 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
No one agrees on the issue of abortion. It's a moral issue, not a legal or medical one.

Kerry supports your right to make your own decision.

Bush wants to make the decision for you.

If you are stupid and can't make your own decisions and need the government to tell you what to do, vote for Bush.

Uhh I'm pretty sure the majority of pro-choice people (like me) agree with it only being done in the first trimester, not 9 months in at birth.

Doctor Dre · 10-26-2004, 01:05 AM

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Originally posted by ItBurnsWhenIpee
In the second debate, Kerry said he didn't vote against banning partial birth abortion, and said something about the mother's health might be an issue.

Is this actually true that a mother would have a better chance of surviving birth if the baby's brain was stabbed with some scissors, and then she birthed it? I don't understand. Can anyone explain?

lol ...
When the mother is gonna die and bring the baby with her . They better just abort her

Doctor Dre · 10-26-2004, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by ItBurnsWhenIpee
Uhh I'm pretty sure the majority of pro-choice people (like me) agree with it only being done in the first trimester, not 9 months in at birth.

This is only in EXTREME cases ... you cannot go at the hospital and ask for a partial abortion at 8 months prengant

BRISK · 10-26-2004, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by ItBurnsWhenIpee
Mothers can die from giving birth, but how is the baby being braindead during the process helping things? It's just an honest question, no need to get your panties in a bunch.

hydrocephalus

ItBurnsWhenIpee · 10-26-2004, 01:07 AM

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Originally posted by Doctor Dre
This is only in EXTREME cases ... you cannot go at the hospital and ask for a partial abortion at 8 months prengant

I just want some example of what an extreme case would be that would make a dead birth safer than a live birth.

foolio · 10-26-2004, 01:07 AM

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Originally posted by ItBurnsWhenIpee
Mothers can die from giving birth, but how is the baby being braindead during the process helping things? It's just an honest question, no need to get your panties in a bunch.

Sorry - but this shit pisses me off like no other.

The fact Bush rather let BOTH the mother and baby die rather than save the life of the mother is fucking stupid.

Medical reasons can come up that put the mother's life in danger. I am not here to take you to school - you can look this up. But it does happen, and has happened ot one of my friends in the past. If Bush had his way back then my friend would be dead...

All this bitching that Bush does about how Kerry is going to have the goverment run your life - WTF is NOT letting a woman choose letting the woman run her life? What happens when a woman is raped and gets preg? You going to FORCH her to have the baby of the person who RAPED her?

BRISK · 10-26-2004, 01:07 AM

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Originally posted by ItBurnsWhenIpee
I just want some example of what an extreme case would be that would make a dead birth safer than a live birth.

hydrocephalus

Mr.Fiction · 10-26-2004, 01:08 AM

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Originally posted by ItBurnsWhenIpee
Uhh I'm pretty sure the majority of pro-choice people (like me) agree with it only being done in the first trimester, not 9 months in at birth.

I was commenting on the greater issue of abortion.

People will always disagree on this issue unless the government points a gun at them and tells them to agree. That's what Bush wants - to put you in jail if you disagree with his personal opinion on an issue that reasonable intelligent people cannot agree on.

Kerry wants you to have the right to disagree. Bush wants to put you in jail if you disagree with him.

Make your choice.

DX · 10-26-2004, 01:10 AM

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Originally posted by foolio

Bush rather BOTH the mother AND baby die. Its not pretty, but there are times when this can happen.

Uhh... wasn't there a mothers health exception built into the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act?

ItBurnsWhenIpee · 10-26-2004, 01:10 AM

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Originally posted by foolio
Sorry - but this shit pisses me off like no other.

The fact Bush rather let BOTH the mother and baby die rather than save the life of the mother is fucking stupid.

Medical reasons can come up that put the mother's life in danger. I am not here to take you to school - you can look this up. But it does happen, and has happened ot one of my friends in the past. If Bush had his way back then my friend would be dead...

All this bitching that Bush does about how Kerry is going to have the goverment run your life - WTF is NOT letting a woman choose letting the woman run her life? What happens when a woman is raped and gets preg? You going to FORCH her to have the baby of the person who RAPED her?

What happened with your friend?

titmowse · 10-26-2004, 01:10 AM

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Originally posted by ItBurnsWhenIpee
Mothers can die from giving birth

yes. they do. all mothers risk the possibility that they could die either through pregnancy or childbirth.

BRISK · 10-26-2004, 01:10 AM

Approximately 1 in 2,000 fetuses develop hydrocephalus while in the womb; this is about 5,000 a year in the United States. The defect is not usually discovered until late in the second trimester of pregnancy. If a fetus develops hydrocephalus, the head may expand to a size of up to 250% of the radius of a normal newborn skull, making it impossible for it to pass through the cervix. In such a case, the physician may elect to perform an intact D&X procedure by draining off the fluid from the brain area, collapsing the fetal skull and withdrawing the dead fetus. A caesarian section delivery would allow the safe delivery of a hydrocephalic fetus, but with increased risks to the mother, in comparison to an intact D&X procedure.

ItBurnsWhenIpee · 10-26-2004, 01:11 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
hydrocephalus

I looked that up and it seems to be an enlarging of the head that occurs slowly as an infant. Even if it did occur so much inside the womb that it couldn't be birthed vaginally, what about a C-section? That's how I was born...

BRISK · 10-26-2004, 01:17 AM

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Originally posted by ItBurnsWhenIpee
I looked that up and it seems to be an enlarging of the head that occurs slowly as an infant. Even if it did occur so much inside the womb that it couldn't be birthed vaginally, what about a C-section? That's how I was born...

C-section is much riskier than vaginal

foolio · 10-26-2004, 01:19 AM

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Originally posted by ItBurnsWhenIpee
Uhh I'm pretty sure the majority of pro-choice people (like me) agree with it only being done in the first trimester, not 9 months in at birth.

This has nothing to do with a girl just walking into a clinic at 8 months and asking for an abortion. As has been pointed out this is for MEDICAL reasons.

Bush rather have the mother die -- its that simple.

WicKed NinJas · 10-26-2004, 01:20 AM

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Originally posted by ItBurnsWhenIpee
I looked that up and it seems to be an enlarging of the head that occurs slowly as an infant. Even if it did occur so much inside the womb that it couldn't be birthed vaginally, what about a C-section? That's how I was born...

dude 250%, you realize how big that is?

stev0 · 10-26-2004, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by ItBurnsWhenIpee
Uhh I'm pretty sure the majority of pro-choice people (like me) agree with it only being done in the first trimester, not 9 months in at birth.

Yeah, i'd agree with that... And a girl should only be allowed to have one abortion IMO. If she can't learn from her mistakes, after the second abortion she should have her tubes tied.

There are alot of stupid girls out there these days it seems, and no child deserves to be brought up by someone like that.

foolio · 10-26-2004, 01:22 AM

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Originally posted by ItBurnsWhenIpee
What happened with your friend?

Something I am sure she does not want me posting here in the forums, despite the fact you have no idea who she is. It is still a personal thing in her life and I respect that.

But I can say she had to get the abortion due to 100% medical reasons, it was the last thing she wanted to do but it had to be done. She is working on having another baby with her husband and hopes ot have better luck.

But, Bush rather let her die... so fuck Bush.

foolio · 10-26-2004, 01:23 AM

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Originally posted by stev0
Yeah, i'd agree with that... And a girl should only be allowed to have one abortion IMO. If she can't learn from her mistakes, after the second abortion she should have her tubes tied.

There are alot of stupid girls out there these days it seems, and no child deserves to be brought up by someone like that.

So you rather let the woman die if her life was in danger?

CamChicks · 10-26-2004, 03:35 AM

People prefer to remain naive about the twisted things nature can create. The unfortunate creatures that this procedure terminates are not happy bouncing babies. Often they're already dead. And, those that still have a pulse, even if they could survive outside the womb, would not lead healthy lives. They may only be able to survive as long as they're hooked to machines. They're deformed and braindamaged. I believe it is more moral not to risk the life of the healthy mother (who can go on to later have healthy children) just to (possibly) prolong the suffering of a monsterous mistake.

10-26-2004, 12:55 AM	#1
ItBurnsWhenIpee Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Beach, SoCal Posts: 1,288	Kerry's explanation for allowing partial birth abortion In the second debate, Kerry said he didn't vote against banning partial birth abortion, and said something about the mother's health might be an issue. Is this actually true that a mother would have a better chance of surviving birth if the baby's brain was stabbed with some scissors, and then she birthed it? I don't understand. Can anyone explain?

10-26-2004, 12:56 AM	#2
eroswebmaster March 1st, 2003 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seat 4 @ Venetian Poker Room Posts: 20,295	I think he just likes killing unborn children. That's what makes us pro choice people all wet. __________________ For rent - ICQ 127-027-910 Click here for more details

10-26-2004, 12:58 AM	#3
foolio ICQ: 178725656 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 12,366	fucking bumbass. There ARE times where the mother can die if the baby is not aborted. Bush rather BOTH the mother AND baby die. Its not pretty, but there are times when this can happen. __________________

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Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	No one agrees on the issue of abortion. It's a personal issue, not a legal or medical one. Kerry supports your right to make your own decision. Bush wants to make the decision for you. If you are stupid and can't make your own decisions and need the government to tell you what to do, vote for Bush. __________________ Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU \| Free Speech Coalition \| EFF \| IMPA Last edited by Mr.Fiction; 10-26-2004 at 01:04 AM..

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	Approximately 1 in 2,000 fetuses develop hydrocephalus while in the womb; this is about 5,000 a year in the United States. The defect is not usually discovered until late in the second trimester of pregnancy. If a fetus develops hydrocephalus, the head may expand to a size of up to 250% of the radius of a normal newborn skull, making it impossible for it to pass through the cervix. In such a case, the physician may elect to perform an intact D&X procedure by draining off the fluid from the brain area, collapsing the fetal skull and withdrawing the dead fetus. A caesarian section delivery would allow the safe delivery of a hydrocephalic fetus, but with increased risks to the mother, in comparison to an intact D&X procedure. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

10-26-2004, 03:35 AM	#26
CamChicks Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: godless northwest Posts: 1,552	People prefer to remain naive about the twisted things nature can create. The unfortunate creatures that this procedure terminates are not happy bouncing babies. Often they're already dead. And, those that still have a pulse, even if they could survive outside the womb, would not lead healthy lives. They may only be able to survive as long as they're hooked to machines. They're deformed and braindamaged. I believe it is more moral not to risk the life of the healthy mother (who can go on to later have healthy children) just to (possibly) prolong the suffering of a monsterous mistake. __________________ camchicks.com