Mobile Porn 1B/year by 2008, Reuters.

[colpanic]

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...ryID=6600 474


See, I'm not just a raving lunatic Or at least I'm not alone in my thinking!

We can add a mobile sales channel to your existing sites/content TODAY.

Hit me up for more info.

[Dirty F]

So someone can download a 200 meg movie on his phone?

Cool.

[M_M]

BS

why would i wanna see porn on a tiny ass screen

[colpanic]

Why would someone want to see a picture of someone stuffing a baseball bat.. Hell if I know, but that doesn't mean it doesn't sell.

And no, not a 200 meg file.. but in a few years that will be just fine.

[TMM_John]

Maybe I've just been in the industry too long and I'm becoming too set in my ways but I can't see the "mobile porn" market ever taking off much.

1) You have a tiny screen.

2) Where do you need to get your porn mobily? What is the need of having pics/movies delivered to your cell phone?

Just doesn't make much sense to me, but I could very well be missing something.

[Libertine]

"Mobile phone users around the world will spend $1 billion a year on pornography sent to their handsets by 2008, which may boost the wireless services sector much as it fueled growth in the fixed-line Internet, a market research firm said."


Call me crazy, but I could've sworn that 2008 is in the future and there is no way to tell the future as of yet.

Seriously, predictions by "market research firms" and the like are most often little more than empty speculation.

[slavdogg]

mobile porn is already huge

[PerfectionGirls]

Hit me up... we have been talking about that. I would like to see how it all works. I would be interested.

[colpanic]

Well, speculation is of course, speculation. But if you don't look towards the future a little bit then you always miss the boat right? Who would have thought that people would buy ringtones for their phones?

This stuff is already taking off in Europe. Go pick up a Maxim UK magazine and see how many adult themed clips are for sale.

It's a good time to get in. It would make a decent marketing splash if nothing else and could probably get you free press/traffic. Also, it doesn't cost much to get started, and gives all that old content you have sitting around a second lease on life.

T

[4Pics]

phones need to get better and so does the speed. They claim its like 56k but it's way too damn slow to load a page.

[Fake Nick]

what is so hard to understand ? mobile phone porn is already very big


why ? easy , people love watching porn ALL the time people DONT have internet access ALL the time , people do have mobile phones with them ALL the time


I can think of dozens of situations were someone would have his mobile phone with him but no internet access and horny

[Libertine]

Originally posted by colpanic
Well, speculation is of course, speculation. But if you don't look towards the future a little bit then you always miss the boat right? Who would have thought that people would buy ringtones for their phones?

This stuff is already taking off in Europe. Go pick up a Maxim UK magazine and see how many adult themed clips are for sale.

It's a good time to get in. It would make a decent marketing splash if nothing else and could probably get you free press/traffic. Also, it doesn't cost much to get started, and gives all that old content you have sitting around a second lease on life.

T

http://www.oqo.com/
http://www.wi-fi.org/

Those two links should make it painfully clear that porn on mobile phones is doomed from the start. In 2008, most people will have wireless broadband and miniature pocket computers.

[colpanic]

Originally posted by 4Pics
phones need to get better and so does the speed. They claim its like 56k but it's way too damn slow to load a page.

Totally agree. Speed is a big issue, but it's quickly getting better. Also, you have to reformat the content down to a smaller size to fit well on the phone/download in a reasonable time.

Thats what our software does.

[Doctor Dre]

Are they talking about micropayments or what ? no1 wants to see porn through their cell phones

[colpanic]

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Are they talking about micropayments or what ? no1 wants to see porn through their cell phones

Yes, they do.

http://www.maxim-magazine.co.uk/

That's maxims personal stuff... but they also have about 15 pages of mobile porn ad's in the back of their UK magazine.

This stuff is for real guys...

[Phoenix]

this will surely be a big market in the years to come..once technology catches up to the demands and needs of the users

[Gottis]

People saying it's doomed have never been outside of the US, more specifically never to Europe. 3G will be taking off in 2005, network speeds are improving dramatically and content is made to fit. The screen sizes are also getting fairly big and of good enough quality (240x320 pixels color LCD w/ 200K colors)

Imagine this: a VIP member of your site can view his favorite model in his cell phone, live, whenever she's on the webcam. He gets notified automatically and the cam window pops up. Even the ability to type in messages and chat with her.

How is that NOT going to sell?

[colpanic]

Thanks Jon.

More and more people in the industry are starting to get it It's going to be a fun ride.

[wvuatl]

I still don't understand why people would take shitty pictures on their camera and share them .... so I can totally understand why people would spend $1 billion on downloading it!!

Actually I'd rather see porn then other peoples pics....

[Halcyon]

Originally posted by Jon Adolfsson
People saying it's doomed have never been outside of the US, more specifically never to Europe. 3G will be taking off in 2005, network speeds are improving dramatically and content is made to fit. The screen sizes are also getting fairly big and of good enough quality (240x320 pixels color LCD w/ 200K colors)

Imagine this: a VIP member of your site can view his favorite model in his cell phone, live, whenever she's on the webcam. He gets notified automatically and the cam window pops up. Even the ability to type in messages and chat with her.

How is that NOT going to sell?

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[colpanic]

Originally posted by punkworld
http://www.oqo.com/
http://www.wi-fi.org/

Those two links should make it painfully clear that porn on mobile phones is doomed from the start. In 2008, most people will have wireless broadband and miniature pocket computers.

This dooms mobile porn how? Those are exactly the things that will make it take off!

Get over the fact that you sometimes talk into it.. tomorrows phones (and some of todays) ARE miniature pocket computers.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by Jon Adolfsson
People saying it's doomed have never been outside of the US, more specifically never to Europe. 3G will be taking off in 2005, network speeds are improving dramatically and content is made to fit. The screen sizes are also getting fairly big and of good enough quality (240x320 pixels color LCD w/ 200K colors)

Imagine this: a VIP member of your site can view his favorite model in his cell phone, live, whenever she's on the webcam. He gets notified automatically and the cam window pops up. Even the ability to type in messages and chat with her.

How is that NOT going to sell?

I live in Europe and regularly use my phone for stuff like msn messenger, reading newspapers, etc. I am also convinced porn on mobile phones is doomed.

The reason that porn on mobile phones is doomed is exactly that technology will progress and will make it obsolete.
A miniature computer with broadband access is a much better, faster and cheaper way to surf porn than mobile phones could ever be. And, looking at current technology, those things are bound to become dominant forces in the near future.


Imagine this: a VIP member of your site gets a notification of a porn site on his mobile phone, while he's at work. Later, when he gets home and wants to have a good wank, he remembers the notification he got on his phone, and immediately puts his notebook with wireless broadband aside and gets his phone, so he can watch porn on a much smaller screen with a huge per-meg connection cost added to the already significant costs of the webcam show. He can even type in messages on an annoyingly tiny keyboard and chat with the girl so that what the actual porn he sees on his tiny screen is even less.

Now imagine this: a VIP member of your site has a notebook/pda hybrid with a nice big screen and wireless broadband for a flat monthly rate. When he wants to watch porn, he gets his notebook/pda hybrid and watches porn on a relatively large screen and with a fast connection that doesn't cost him an arm and a leg.

[Gottis]

Another hit is, and still in its very early stages, making purchases with your cell phone. One-time purchases, subscriptions, all charged to your cell phone. The amount you may charge is still pretty low (~$7 at one time), but it doesn't get easier and faster than this.

Surfer decides he wants to access a video. He goes ahead and sends an SMS with a certain code to a certain number and he's done. The video then automatically starts playing when the SMS is received on the other end (takes about 3 seconds).

Buying access to a site could be as easy as sending an SMS containing "SITEXXX USERNAME PASSWORD" to number XXXXX.

[Gottis]

Originally posted by punkworld
Now imagine this: a VIP member of your site has a notebook/pda hybrid with a nice big screen and wireless broadband for a flat monthly rate. When he wants to watch porn, he gets his notebook/pda hybrid and watches porn on a relatively large screen and with a fast connection that doesn't cost him an arm and a leg.

pdas & very small notebooks with fast wireless connections = mobile porn

[Libertine]

Originally posted by Jon Adolfsson
pdas & very small notebooks with fast wireless connections = mobile porn

Wrong.

There is an essential difference between mobile phone porn through networks like UMTS and "mobile" porn on notebooks with normal wireless broadband through wifi-like networks.

Aside from the fact that the article this thread is about very specifically refers to the phone networks, there are huge differences in the consequences for webmasters.

What do you need to change in your sites for surfers who use really small notebooks and wifi networks to access your sites?

What do you need to change in your sites for surfers who use mobile phones and UMTS (and similar) connections to access your sites?

[Libertine]

Originally posted by Jon Adolfsson
Another hit is, and still in its very early stages, making purchases with your cell phone. One-time purchases, subscriptions, all charged to your cell phone. The amount you may charge is still pretty low (~$7 at one time), but it doesn't get easier and faster than this.

Surfer decides he wants to access a video. He goes ahead and sends an SMS with a certain code to a certain number and he's done. The video then automatically starts playing when the SMS is received on the other end (takes about 3 seconds).

Buying access to a site could be as easy as sending an SMS containing "SITEXXX USERNAME PASSWORD" to number XXXXX.

This isn't in its very early stages at all. Sites using SMS payments have literally been around for years in the European market. For example, smsaxxess.be has been around for over 2 years.

Honestly, this will not revolutionize the online adult business.

[colpanic]

If you are so worried about the "phone" part of mobile porn (which is really moot). Look at it this way. Data, is the future of the phone networks.

Look at Vonage, and all the other VOIP guys. Go read about SIP phones. Right now SIP is getting touted by the VOIP guys, but it's really meant to be a mobile technology as well. As network speeds improve for mobile devices, your phone calls will be routed the same way any other data packet is. It's all just data folks.

That "miniature computer" you seem concerned about, might be your phone. Put on a wireless headset to do the talking since you don't want to hold a mini-laptop up to your head.

Convergance is a huge buzzword in the telecom industry, but it is coming. In a few years, you will bring your wireless network with you wherever you go. If you have a huge screen to wank to, well use it. But if you want to take it with you, you can do that as well.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by colpanic
If you are so worried about the "phone" part of mobile porn (which is really moot). Look at it this way. Data, is the future of the phone networks.

Look at Vonage, and all the other VOIP guys. Go read about SIP phones. Right now SIP is getting touted by the VOIP guys, but it's really meant to be a mobile technology as well. As network speeds improve for mobile devices, your phone calls will be routed the same way any other data packet is. It's all just data folks.

That "miniature computer" you seem concerned about, might be your phone. Put on a wireless headset to do the talking since you don't want to hold a mini-laptop up to your head.

Convergance is a huge buzzword in the telecom industry, but it is coming. In a few years, you will bring your wireless network with you wherever you go. If you have a huge screen to wank to, well use it. But if you want to take it with you, you can do that as well.

The phone networks think data is their future, but unfortunately for them, they are way too expensive when compared to the alternatives.

The "phone" part is important for one simple, single reason: for small notebooks with normal connections, webmasters do not need to make significant changes to their sites. They need to make them accessible to smaller resolutions, but that's the only significant difference.

[Gottis]

In my eyes we're talking mobile porn, I don't care about specific terms quoted in that article. Anything that you carry around is mobile. If somebody is viewing porn on whatever he's carrying around and putting in his pocket or bag, that's mobile porn.

People are always going to use phones, the smaller the better. But they are willing to sacrifice size for high-end features, such as cams, high-res displays and the ability to access 3G. These phones will now get smaller and leaner and people will shop till they drop.

As far as sites and cell phone browsing. Understand that I'm not talking about RE-DOING the whole site for cell phones. Nobody wants to surf an entire site in his or hers phone, I know that.

I'm talking about certain features, certain media, certain information that could be made available to your mobile unit. Things that make sense for all involved, especially for the consumer.

The cam concept I mentioned above would probably work out very well. That's just one idea. There's much more.

Time to sign off for the night, I'll check this thread tomorrow.

[Gottis]

Originally posted by punkworld
This isn't in its very early stages at all. Sites using SMS payments have literally been around for years in the European market. For example, smsaxxess.be has been around for over 2 years.

Not technically no, some people had sites back in '93. So what? I meant in terms of customer usage and acceptance. That is still in its early stages.

Only about 10 % of all cell phone owners are using SMS to make purchases or alike, every month. This figure is not exactly expected to decrease. ;) Market and usage is going up, up, up.

What are you doing talking about revolutionizing the adult business? Who mentioned that? I'm thinking additional revenue streams myself. New ways to attract customers. New ways to accept payments.

Night ya'll.

[colpanic]

Originally posted by punkworld
The phone networks think data is their future, but unfortunately for them, they are way too expensive when compared to the alternatives.

The "phone" part is important for one simple, single reason: for small notebooks with normal connections, webmasters do not need to make significant changes to their sites. They need to make them accessible to smaller resolutions, but that's the only significant difference.

People use their mobile devices (not laptop computers) in places that don't have normal 80211. in them. I use my phone when I'm waiting for a meeting, in line at the store, on the subway. Anyplace that I don't want to break out my laptop and search for a wifi spot.

As Jon pointed out, this isn't about the most revolutionary thing that will ever come to market. It's about new ways for you to make money using your existing content investments.

You already paid for the stuff.. you might as well sell it any way you can.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by colpanic
People use their mobile devices (not laptop computers) in places that don't have normal 80211. in them. I use my phone when I'm waiting for a meeting, in line at the store, on the subway. Anyplace that I don't want to break out my laptop and search for a wifi spot.

As Jon pointed out, this isn't about the most revolutionary thing that will ever come to market. It's about new ways for you to make money using your existing content investments.

You already paid for the stuff.. you might as well sell it any way you can.

You watch porn while waiting for a meeting, in line at the store and on the subway?
Most people do it mainly at places where they will also have their laptops... at work behind their desks, at home, in hotel rooms, etc. Aside from that, with laptops becoming more widespread every day, people will actually have them while waiting for meetings, sitting on the subway, etc.

Since we're talking about the future here (remember that article you posted?), I think it is pretty safe to say that wifi-like networks will become a bit more widespread than they are now. (coming to my city in about a year: citywide wireless broadband for $30 a month)

What you seem to be forgetting is that making money through the mobile market requires significant investments, both in technology (if you want to use specific cam software and such) and advertising (getting phone traffic doesn't exactly work the same way as getting normal traffic does).
This isn't a simple, easy new way to make money with your existing merchandise, it's a whole new ballgame, and if you'll make up for the time/money you spent is a pretty big gamble.

Originally posted by Jon Adolfsson
In my eyes we're talking mobile porn, I don't care about specific terms quoted in that article. Anything that you carry around is mobile. If somebody is viewing porn on whatever he's carrying around and putting in his pocket or bag, that's mobile porn.

People are always going to use phones, the smaller the better. But they are willing to sacrifice size for high-end features, such as cams, high-res displays and the ability to access 3G. These phones will now get smaller and leaner and people will shop till they drop.

As far as sites and cell phone browsing. Understand that I'm not talking about RE-DOING the whole site for cell phones. Nobody wants to surf an entire site in his or hers phone, I know that.

I'm talking about certain features, certain media, certain information that could be made available to your mobile unit. Things that make sense for all involved, especially for the consumer.

The cam concept I mentioned above would probably work out very well. That's just one idea. There's much more.

Time to sign off for the night, I'll check this thread tomorrow.

You may not care about the specific terms quoted in the article, but the "Mobile Porn 1B/year by 2008, Reuters." in the thread topic is about mobile PHONE porn. What I am saying is that by 2008, mobile PHONE porn will not be as big as the article suggests.

Sure, certain features could do well... but the problem is that with notebooks becoming more and more common and mobile, people are becoming more and more likely to have those with them when they want to watch porn. And, obviously, that makes it more likely for people to choose to watch porn on their notebook than on their phone.

Originally posted by Jon Adolfsson
Not technically no, some people had sites back in '93. So what? I meant in terms of customer usage and acceptance. That is still in its early stages.

Only about 10 % of all cell phone owners are using SMS to make purchases or alike, every month. This figure is not exactly expected to decrease. ;) Market and usage is going up, up, up.

What are you doing talking about revolutionizing the adult business? Who mentioned that? I'm thinking additional revenue streams myself. New ways to attract customers. New ways to accept payments.

Night ya'll.

SMS billing is attractive to a small portion of customers (kids without creditcards, for example), but many don't see it as an ideal way to pay because it has severe limitations (e.g. the maximum amount per sms message) and it's an indirect, non-transparent way of dealing with money. Plus, many simply don't trust it.

The talk about "revolutionizing the adult business" was actually sarcasm to point out how shockingly underwhelming the effects of sms billing were when it was first introduced.

[colpanic]

My point wasn't that I surf porn while I'm waiting for a meeting, quit trolling. My point was, that you use mobile devices as a time waster.

You are trying to make a laptop into a smaller device than it's ever going to be. There is no argument that high speed wireless will be available everywhere for your laptop in a few years. I think everyone accepts that. Thats great for everyone.

Nobody said that jumping into wireless cold was "simple". There are companies entirely dedicated to solving the difficult wireless problems (like mine). We build the technology. If you had to build it yourself, yes, it would be quite expensive... thats our value proposition.

I'm not sure what this "specific cam software" you are talking about is... please elaborate.

If you can't be convinced that it's worth the risk, thats respectable... there are certainly enough other porn webmasters out there who will jump in on a business for a chance at a slice of 1Bn...

It's certainly possible that the numbers dont meet that goal, but it's unlikely that research firms whos job is to predict market trends are TOTALLY wrong. I mean, at least admit that they probably have more information than you do on the subject.

What do you mean that SMS billing is underwhelming???? Do you have ANY idea how much money SMS billing makes? Take the ringtone market across Europe... thats at LEAST 70% SMS billing. It's the perfect model for small purchases, like adult videos or images because it is good for impulse buys.

Perhaps you only meant that company that lets you use SMS purchase to buy your subscriptions instead of CCBill or whatever. That is not a representative example of SMS billing.

European guys.. pipe in here. How many things are sold via shortcode over there?