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  • kush
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2001
    • 3382

    #1

    I almost convinced I am a victim of shaving

    The stats below reflect stats I sent to a single sponsor, to a single site. Tell me if this doesn't look funny.

    Stats from Sept 1 - Sept 24
    945 uniques sent, 7 sales $175 payout

    Stat from Oct 1 - Oct 24
    4216 uniques sent, 0 sales, $0 payout

    (Had ratios been the same as from Sept 1 - Sept 24 the total payout for Oct 1 - Oct 24 would have been about $780, instead of $0)

    *** Advetising methods stayed virtually the same during both time periods, as did primary traffic source (SE) ***

    This is a less-promoted niche that has normally converted very well in the past, except I couldn't find a good PPS sponsor for it. When I do eventually did find a PPS sponsor with good payouts, initial tests were pretty good so I ended up switching most of my traffic for this niche to this sponsor's site.

    I am contacting the sponsor in question to get their response.
    Depending on the explanation I get, I may or may not say who
    Last edited by kush; 10-25-2004, 01:24 PM.
  • enter »
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2004
    • 2362

    #2
    Is it a big guy or a small fry? Who is/was the processor?
    «-- offer extended through New Years (icq286487452)

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    • Dirty F
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jul 2001
      • 59204

      #3
      Oh man, ive had this with so many sponsors. Im getting used to it even.

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      • EscortBiz
        Fuck Checks, CASH only!
        • May 2002
        • 19422

        #4
        answer to your question is simple its called

        PPS

        Many pps programs regardless what fuckin software you think they use SAHVE and if you think it wont get worse wait and see

        Tons of people experience the following

        They join a PPS program, within 100 hits they get a sale they go wild and start promoting it all over and NADA LOL and if you think they will get paid for that single sale nah there is a min. payout lol

        Careful who you trust in these days some who enevr thought they will have to shave all of a sudden are figuring out they must some just close shop.

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        • Babagirls
          Text Writer
          • Feb 2001
          • 18812

          #5
          Originally posted by EscortBiz
          answer to your question is simple its called

          PPS

          Many pps programs regardless what fuckin software you think they use SAHVE and if you think it wont get worse wait and see

          Tons of people experience the following

          They join a PPS program, within 100 hits they get a sale they go wild and start promoting it all over and NADA LOL and if you think they will get paid for that single sale nah there is a min. payout lol

          Careful who you trust in these days some who enevr thought they will have to shave all of a sudden are figuring out they must some just close shop.
          thats EXACTLY what is happening to me.
          joined a new program, got 1/200 right off
          the bat, so did several other webmasters
          i know that were promoting them (hmm!)
          and now NOTHING!!!!!




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          • EscortBiz
            Fuck Checks, CASH only!
            • May 2002
            • 19422

            #6
            Originally posted by Babagirls
            thats EXACTLY what is happening to me.
            joined a new program, got 1/200 right off
            the bat, so did several other webmasters
            i know that were promoting them (hmm!)
            and now NOTHING!!!!!
            I said it once and ill say it again there are 2 types of people on this planet

            1) when he sees a cock next to his ass they know they are about to get ass fucked

            2) the cock has to be shoved in all the way for them to notice they are getting ass fucked

            Some rather just lie to themselves

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            • baddog
              So Fucking Banned
              • Apr 2001
              • 107089

              #7
              Originally posted by kush
              The stats below reflect stats I sent to a single sponsor, to a single site. Tell me if this doesn't look funny.

              Stats from Sept 1 - Sept 24
              945 uniques sent, 7 sales $175 payout

              Stat from Oct 1 - Oct 24
              4216 uniques sent, 0 sales, $0 payout

              (Had ratios been the same as from Sept 1 - Sept 24 the total payout for Oct 1 - Oct 24 would have been about $780, instead of $0)

              *** Advetising methods stayed virtually the same during both time periods, as did primary traffic source (SE) ***

              This is a less-promoted niche that has normally converted very well in the past, except I couldn't find a good PPS sponsor for it. When I do eventually did find a PPS sponsor with good payouts, initial tests were pretty good so I ended up switching most of my traffic for this niche to this sponsor's site.

              I am contacting the sponsor in question to get their response.
              Depending on the explanation I get, I may or may not say who
              Damn, and you are still averaging 1:50 with me aren't you? What do I need to do to get more of your traffic ;)

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              • media
                Confirmed Moneymaker
                • Apr 2002
                • 9853

                #8
                We use the 3rd party auditing from Click Truth to make sure that all traffic is tracked.. More people should step up and use something like this to prove they are paying their webmasters for every sale sent..
                I'm here for the violence!

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                • kush
                  Confirmed User
                  • Feb 2001
                  • 3382

                  #9
                  Originally posted by baddog
                  Damn, and you are still averaging 1:50 with me aren't you? What do I need to do to get more of your traffic ;)
                  lol we've talked about this before on more than 1 occassion.
                  If I had more of that specific type of traffic I would send more, but I don't think I do ;)

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                  • baddog
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Apr 2001
                    • 107089

                    #10
                    Originally posted by kush
                    lol we've talked about this before on more than 1 occassion.
                    If I had more of that specific type of traffic I would send more, but I don't think I do ;)
                    what niche do I need to add to make this work?

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                    • kush
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2001
                      • 3382

                      #11
                      Originally posted by enter »
                      Is it a big guy or a small fry? Who is/was the processor?
                      The processor was paycom, and it's not a small program.

                      Now I don't think I can give away more details without saying which sponsor it was.

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                      • Snake Doctor
                        I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                        • Mar 2001
                        • 13449

                        #12
                        Originally posted by kush
                        The stats below reflect stats I sent to a single sponsor, to a single site. Tell me if this doesn't look funny.

                        Stats from Sept 1 - Sept 24
                        945 uniques sent, 7 sales $175 payout

                        Stat from Oct 1 - Oct 24
                        4216 uniques sent, 0 sales, $0 payout
                        Am I the only one who thinks it odd that from one month to the next your traffic quadrupled....yet you claim its from the same source as the 1st pay period?

                        Something is fishy about that
                        sig too big

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                        • gornyhuy
                          Chafed.
                          • May 2002
                          • 18041

                          #13
                          The same thing is happening to me right now with a very well known sponsor - month of September I did 1:140 for about 150 sales, First two weeks of October were consistent, second two weeks of October are at 1:2000 and worse.

                          Exact same source of filtered SE traffic at exactly the same levels.


                          icq:159548293

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                          • gornyhuy
                            Chafed.
                            • May 2002
                            • 18041

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Lenny2
                            Am I the only one who thinks it odd that from one month to the next your traffic quadrupled....yet you claim its from the same source as the 1st pay period?

                            Something is fishy about that
                            Dumbass.

                            icq:159548293

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                            • NinjaSteve
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 11089

                              #15
                              That sucks. Hopefully there's a good explanation.
                              ...

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                              • Sly
                                Let's do some business!
                                • Sep 2004
                                • 31376

                                #16
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                                • eldominik
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jan 2002
                                  • 454

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Lenny2
                                  Am I the only one who thinks it odd that from one month to the next your traffic quadrupled....yet you claim its from the same source as the 1st pay period?

                                  Something is fishy about that
                                  Search Engines showed his pages higher in rankings than before?

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                                  • bigdog
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jul 2001
                                    • 6964

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by gornyhuy
                                    The same thing is happening to me right now with a very well known sponsor - month of September I did 1:140 for about 150 sales, First two weeks of October were consistent, second two weeks of October are at 1:2000 and worse.

                                    Exact same source of filtered SE traffic at exactly the same levels.


                                    if i was convert 1:2000 with se traffic i would shoot myself

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                                    • leedsfan
                                      leedsfan
                                      • Jul 2002
                                      • 2564

                                      #19
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                                      • gornyhuy
                                        Chafed.
                                        • May 2002
                                        • 18041

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by bigdog
                                        if i was convert 1:2000 with se traffic i would shoot myself

                                        Tempting.

                                        icq:159548293

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                                        • EscortBiz
                                          Fuck Checks, CASH only!
                                          • May 2002
                                          • 19422

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by gornyhuy
                                          Tempting.
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                                          • Gynecologist
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Sep 2004
                                            • 2184

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by EscortBiz
                                            answer to your question is simple its called

                                            PPS

                                            Many pps programs regardless what fuckin software you think they use SAHVE and if you think it wont get worse wait and see

                                            Tons of people experience the following

                                            They join a PPS program, within 100 hits they get a sale they go wild and start promoting it all over and NADA LOL and if you think they will get paid for that single sale nah there is a min. payout lol

                                            Careful who you trust in these days some who enevr thought they will have to shave all of a sudden are figuring out they must some just close shop.

                                            Your post should get the Flash of Brilliance Award today.

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                                            • kush
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Feb 2001
                                              • 3382

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Lenny2
                                              Am I the only one who thinks it odd that from one month to the next your traffic quadrupled....yet you claim its from the same source as the 1st pay period?

                                              Something is fishy about that
                                              If you've ever done any successful search engine work before you would know that dramatic changes in SE rankings can have dramatic changes in the traffic that you receive!

                                              I do admit it was wrong of my to quickly cry "shaving" because of my numbers - but something undoubtedly did go wrong somewhere, and not on my end.

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                                              • Trax
                                                [----------------------]
                                                • Aug 2001
                                                • 14486

                                                #24
                                                I know Kush, his stuff and his traffic and I also know that those numbers can not be for real.
                                                I have sponsor that I send THE SAME amount of hits and sales every month for years now. Such drastic changes in conversions just don't happen unless you're being ddosed, or down or whatever
                                                Kush I would love to hear what program it is... an ICQ msg would be greatly appreciated

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                                                • gornyhuy
                                                  Chafed.
                                                  • May 2002
                                                  • 18041

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by EscortBiz
                                                  DONTTTTTTTTT!


                                                  Never.... and thanks for your concern.

                                                  icq:159548293

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                                                  • flashfire
                                                    ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2
                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                    • 13098

                                                    #26
                                                    that does look like shaving...lots of signups at first then none....try a different sponser...maybe even the one in my sig

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                                                    • bdld
                                                      $100,000
                                                      • Dec 2001
                                                      • 11452

                                                      #27
                                                      no kidding youre being shaved, you know what your traffic is worth, send it somewhere else and drop that sponsor like a hot tamale.

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                                                      • SpikeHeel
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                        • 1531

                                                        #28
                                                        I reall had a bad day because of my early morning shaving which caused two cuts in my lower jaw. man, that hurts!!!!!

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                                                        • Doctor Dre
                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                          • 51692

                                                          #29
                                                          I'm suspicious about some programs too lately ... I'l send a good more 10 thousand hits before I make my conclusion thought .
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                                                          • Veterans Day
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                            • 8403

                                                            #30
                                                            shaving doesnt exist, there are many threads that prove shaving is only harmful to long term program success. lmfao
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                                                            • KRL
                                                              Entrepreneur
                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                              • 31429

                                                              #31
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                                                              • Veterans Day
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                • 8403

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by KRL
                                                                Have you ever been to a webmaster show?

                                                                Do most of these guys look like the kind of people you can trust?

                                                                just read the boards, everyone is " a trusted standup guy"
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                                                                • Theo
                                                                  HAL 9000
                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                  • 34515

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by EscortBiz


                                                                  Many pps programs regardless what fuckin software you think they use SAHVE and if you think it wont get worse wait and see

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                                                                  • the Shemp
                                                                    congrats to the winners
                                                                    • Nov 2001
                                                                    • 10891

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by kush
                                                                    The stats below reflect stats I sent to a single sponsor, to a single site. Tell me if this doesn't look funny.

                                                                    Stats from Sept 1 - Sept 24
                                                                    945 uniques sent, 7 sales $175 payout

                                                                    Stat from Oct 1 - Oct 24
                                                                    4216 uniques sent, 0 sales, $0 payout

                                                                    (Had ratios been the same as from Sept 1 - Sept 24 the total payout for Oct 1 - Oct 24 would have been about $780, instead of $0)

                                                                    *** Advetising methods stayed virtually the same during both time periods, as did primary traffic source (SE) ***

                                                                    This is a less-promoted niche that has normally converted very well in the past, except I couldn't find a good PPS sponsor for it. When I do eventually did find a PPS sponsor with good payouts, initial tests were pretty good so I ended up switching most of my traffic for this niche to this sponsor's site.

                                                                    I am contacting the sponsor in question to get their response.
                                                                    Depending on the explanation I get, I may or may not say who

                                                                    you should just email me and ask me to buy a membership through your affiliate code..then see if it shows up in your stats..
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                                                                    • Theo
                                                                      HAL 9000
                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                      • 34515

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I'm convinced after a recent chat I had with a veteran webmaster that soon we're gonna reach a period that it won't be a question any more on how well you convert, but how many sales you get credited for.

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                                                                      • jollyperv
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Nov 2001
                                                                        • 3927

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by EscortBiz
                                                                        answer to your question is simple its called

                                                                        PPS

                                                                        Many pps programs regardless what fuckin software you think they use SAHVE and if you think it wont get worse wait and see

                                                                        Tons of people experience the following

                                                                        They join a PPS program, within 100 hits they get a sale they go wild and start promoting it all over and NADA LOL and if you think they will get paid for that single sale nah there is a min. payout lol

                                                                        Careful who you trust in these days some who enevr thought they will have to shave all of a sudden are figuring out they must some just close shop.

                                                                        EVERYONE read this again and again.

                                                                        Shaving is a very real thing, not many people aren't doing it.
                                                                        Last edited by jollyperv; 10-25-2004, 09:42 PM.

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                                                                        • bigdog
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                          • 6964

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Do you guys honsetly think shaving is that bad? I still convert better with a lot of pps programs then revshare

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                                                                          • bigdog
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                            • 6964

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by the Shemp
                                                                            you should just email me and ask me to buy a membership through your affiliate code..then see if it shows up in your stats..
                                                                            Shaving would be more complicated then that, i would make sure not to shave any signups coming in from the state where the webmaster lives

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                                                                            • jimmyf
                                                                              OU812
                                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                                              • 12651

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by EscortBiz
                                                                              answer to your question is simple its called

                                                                              PPS

                                                                              Many pps programs regardless what fuckin software you think they use SAHVE and if you think it wont get worse wait and see

                                                                              Tons of people experience the following

                                                                              They join a PPS program, within 100 hits they get a sale they go wild and start promoting it all over and NADA LOL and if you think they will get paid for that single sale nah there is a min. payout lol

                                                                              Careful who you trust in these days some who enevr thought they will have to shave all of a sudden are figuring out they must some just close shop.

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                                                                              • jimmyf
                                                                                OU812
                                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                                • 12651

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by media
                                                                                We use the 3rd party auditing from Click Truth to make sure that all traffic is tracked.. More people should step up and use something like this to prove they are paying their webmasters for every sale sent..
                                                                                yes but you guys pay $25.00 per join... I remember when pimpdog got shit for this....he said that's what he could pay and not shave...
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                                                                                • Phoenix
                                                                                  BACON BACON BACON
                                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                                  • 35475

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  I invite my webmsaters to do some test signups. it is the only way you can be sure.
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                                                                                  • johndoebob
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                                                    • 3405

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by media
                                                                                    We use the 3rd party auditing from Click Truth to make sure that all traffic is tracked.. More people should step up and use something like this to prove they are paying their webmasters for every sale sent..
                                                                                    In my opinion click truth is at least very doubtful.

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                                                                                    • johndoebob
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                      • 3405

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Veterans Day
                                                                                      just read the boards, everyone is " a trusted standup guy"
                                                                                      Yeah noticed that until shit gets thick

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                                                                                      • johndoebob
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                                        • 3405

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Depending on the explanation I get, I may or may not say who
                                                                                        You'll always get some bullshit excuses (processor's fault, bad traffic/day, your fault, no clue or even no reply) draw your own conclusions.

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                                                                                        • Fake Nick
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                                          • 7708

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          3th party processing does not guarantee you wont get shaved


                                                                                          even nats doenst guarantee you wont get shaved

                                                                                          its very easy to shave it always was and it always will be

                                                                                          you can only KNOW that you don't get shaved if you have full access to the program owners admin

                                                                                          and well, that will never happen

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                                                                                          • johndoebob
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                                                            • 3405

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Fake Nick
                                                                                            3th party processing does not guarantee you wont get shaved


                                                                                            even nats doenst guarantee you wont get shaved

                                                                                            its very easy to shave it always was and it always will be

                                                                                            you can only KNOW that you don't get shaved if you have full access to the program owners admin

                                                                                            and well, that will never happen
                                                                                            Once in a lifetime something like that happens (pissed employee, hacked, etc.).

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                                                                                            • Paul Markham
                                                                                              Too old to care
                                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                                              • 52942

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by bdld
                                                                                              no kidding youre being shaved, you know what your traffic is worth, send it somewhere else and drop that sponsor like a hot tamale.
                                                                                              This is the only way to hit back.

                                                                                              If the traffic is the same then there is no way it should suddnely stop converting. Write them an email and tell them that until it goes back to what it was, it's goodbye.

                                                                                              Could of been that they had a glitch and did not read your code on the sign ups.



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                                                                                              • Roald
                                                                                                SecretFriends.com
                                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                                • 27910

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by charly

                                                                                                Could of been that they had a glitch and did not read your code on the sign ups.
                                                                                                It's always a glitch ;)


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                                                                                                • Paul Markham
                                                                                                  Too old to care
                                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                                  • 52942

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                  Have you ever been to a webmaster show?

                                                                                                  Do most of these guys look like the kind of people you can trust?
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                                                                                                  After meeting a bunch of them in Vegas at the show I got the distinct impression that we would be better off doing sales ourselves.

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                                                                                                  • Fake Nick
                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                    • Jul 2004
                                                                                                    • 7708

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    glitchcash.com is still free for registration !

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