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tony286 · 10-20-2004, 09:10 PM

Team of Industry Lawyers Challenge 2257 Amendments

CANOGA PARK, Calif. ? In anticipation of the federal government publishing Attorney General John Ashhahahahaha's final amendments to current 2257 law, a group of adult industry lawyers have partnered with the Free Speech Coalition to challenge the issue all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court if necessary.

Based on the strong belief that the 2257 amendments will pose a serious threat to the adult webmaster community by extending the chain of record keeping responsibility from producers to secondary producers, Greg Piccionelli, Jeffrey Douglas, Paul Cambria, Louis Sirkin, Reed Lee and Robert Sarno have all agreed to donate a substantial amount of their professional time to file two separate lawsuits in Federal District Court against the Justice Department.

"We're in this together," Piccionelli told XBiz. "If these regulations go into effect, a lot of people could go to jail. It's the government's weapon of mass destruction and we've got to take this thing out. Then the government will be forced to focus on what they should, like child porn. These amendments are a back door way for the government to prosecute normal content, and this is what we're trying to knock out."

According to Piccionelli, the group of lawyers are coordinating a "full frontal attack" on the regulations through a multi-jurisdictional approach.

The purpose of filing two lawsuits, which will be filed through Paul Cambria and Louis Sirkin's respective law firms, is because there are so many issues with the amended regulations that addressing them all as part of one single lawsuit would be impossible.

The FSC has been tapped as the plaintiff in both cases because it does not distribute content and is the industry trade association that deals with matters such as 2257. The FSC is also not subject to the requirements of 2257 record-keeping laws.

"As soon as the final regulations are announced, we want to be ready to go to Federal District Court to seek an injunction on behalf of the FSC and its members," the FSC said.

According to Piccionelli, the purpose of preparing for the lawsuit before the regulations have even been published is to get the judge to enjoin the regulations immediately before they go into effect. If the regulations are not challenged, adult webmasters who have not complied with the considerably stricter guidelines would be immediately be liable.

The amended regulations are currently in a holding pattern before being published in the Federal Register, after which they would go into effect within 30 days.

Of primary concern with the amendments is that the Justice Department has now broadened the definition of what an adult producer is to the extent that it could now include not only the original producer, but the content provider and possibly subsequent website operators that deal with the same content.

The consequences of non-compliance could be dire for many webmasters, the lawyers agree, considering that 2257 law has never before been enforced by the government. And on the eve of the possible re-election of George Bush, an attack against the adult industry could easily be used by the government to support its political agenda and maintain strong support from more conservative Americans.

Another scenario, Piccionelli predicts, could be that if Bush loses to Sen. John Kerry, he could leave the amended regulations as a "goodbye present" for the Kerry presidency to clean up after he's gone.

"There are so many permutations," Piccionelli said. "The random element of going after a bunch of porn people could galvanize the religious right, but it could also alienate voters who don't want to see their tax dollars going into the fight against porn at this time in history."

In the meantime, Douglas and Piccionelli have donated thousands of hours of their own time to get the project organized and to oversee the legal work from both law firms. All of the lawyers involved have also agreed to do the work at a fraction of their normal fees.

The FSC has set up a fund to support the legal challenge and is asking the online adult community to donate up to $5,000 exclusively for the 2257 litigation fund.

All questions regarding donations should be directed to the Free Speech Coalition, Jeffrey Douglas at (310) 576-3411, [email protected], or Greg Piccionelli at (310) 553-3375, [email protected].

Tofu · 10-20-2004, 09:15 PM

Nice one Tony!

tony286 · 10-20-2004, 09:19 PM

Thanks Tofu , there are people on this board that have large resources. Its time to step up to the plate. You dont want to give out model releases of your star girls .While here is your chance, to protect them.

Jace · 10-20-2004, 09:19 PM

no big fish weill ever step up and use their money for the good of the industry unless it is a direct threat to them as a company....

there are very few, to no, martyrs in porn

tony286 · 10-20-2004, 09:23 PM

I am not asking them to fall on their sword ,I am asking them to write a check lol. To start it we are going to donate $100, right now things are alittle tight til my processor firms up but this effects us all.

stocktrader23 · 10-20-2004, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JaceXXX
no big fish weill ever step up and use their money for the good of the industry unless it is a direct threat to them as a company....

there are very few, to no, martyrs in porn

This is a threat to them knucklehead.

KarupLou · 10-20-2004, 09:48 PM

Hi all,
I think is this is an excellent post Tony! Just to let you know, I consider us a BIG FISH and we will be donating to this cause. Although we are not directly affected by this and all of our docs are in order we are still going to be supporting this as much as we can. BTW, good luck with Ibill Tony. I have followed your posts regarding IBill and I wish you the very best. That happened to us in 2001 with WTS and it sucked, but we recovered.

Louis from
www.karupspc.com

Big Fish 47 · 10-20-2004, 09:53 PM

OK - this thread title scared me.

MrIzzz · 10-20-2004, 09:54 PM

nice thread. it gives me hope seeing someone is taking up the cause. now if only more "playas" could step up

webmaster x · 10-20-2004, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tofu
Nice one Tony!

Nice sig. Shake that bootay.

SteveLightspeed · 10-20-2004, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JaceXXX
no big fish weill ever step up and use their money for the good of the industry unless it is a direct threat to them as a company....

there are very few, to no, martyrs in porn

Bullshit, I'm no "big fish", but COUNT ME IN

Steve Lightspeed

Shoehorn! · 10-20-2004, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Bullshit, I'm no "big fish", but COUNT ME IN

Steve Lightspeed

tony286 · 10-20-2004, 11:39 PM

Steve_NCH · 10-20-2004, 11:58 PM

Quote:

OK - this thread title scared me.

scoreman · 10-21-2004, 06:10 AM

This is a great cause..COUNT US IN.

Tala · 10-21-2004, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Bullshit, I'm no "big fish", but COUNT ME IN

Steve Lightspeed

dirtysouth · 10-21-2004, 06:34 AM

Would someone please post the link to the 2257 software proggy someone wrote?

Spunky · 10-21-2004, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Bullshit, I'm no "big fish", but COUNT ME IN

Steve Lightspeed

Good to hear man

Snake Doctor · 10-21-2004, 07:46 AM

I'm a very small fish (just a gallery guy) but I'll be sending at least 1K to the FSC for this fight.

EVERYONE in this industry should contribute something.....this is WAY bigger than the Acacia fight, its not about money its about 5 years in jail for a paperwork error.

dirtysouth · 10-21-2004, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dirtysouth
Would someone please post the link to the 2257 software proggy someone wrote?

Found it: http://www.generationxlaw.com/webmasters_ff.htm

tony286 · 10-21-2004, 08:31 AM

All you guys really rock

Snake Doctor · 10-21-2004, 09:42 AM

*bump*

This belongs on the front page.

Tala · 10-21-2004, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lenny2
*bump*

This belongs on the front page.

Agreed.

JFK · 10-21-2004, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
All you guys really rock

Thanks for posting this Tony

Techie Media · 10-21-2004, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JaceXXX
no big fish weill ever step up and use their money for the good of the industry unless it is a direct threat to them as a company....

there are very few, to no, martyrs in porn

That is pure Bull Hookie............

This affects all of us, even us Hosting Companies. You can count Techie Media in for sure !!

tony286 · 10-21-2004, 01:27 PM

bump for unity

10-20-2004, 09:10 PM	#1
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Time for the big fish to stepup and do the right thing. Team of Industry Lawyers Challenge 2257 Amendments CANOGA PARK, Calif. ? In anticipation of the federal government publishing Attorney General John Ashhahahahaha's final amendments to current 2257 law, a group of adult industry lawyers have partnered with the Free Speech Coalition to challenge the issue all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court if necessary. Based on the strong belief that the 2257 amendments will pose a serious threat to the adult webmaster community by extending the chain of record keeping responsibility from producers to secondary producers, Greg Piccionelli, Jeffrey Douglas, Paul Cambria, Louis Sirkin, Reed Lee and Robert Sarno have all agreed to donate a substantial amount of their professional time to file two separate lawsuits in Federal District Court against the Justice Department. "We're in this together," Piccionelli told XBiz. "If these regulations go into effect, a lot of people could go to jail. It's the government's weapon of mass destruction and we've got to take this thing out. Then the government will be forced to focus on what they should, like child porn. These amendments are a back door way for the government to prosecute normal content, and this is what we're trying to knock out." According to Piccionelli, the group of lawyers are coordinating a "full frontal attack" on the regulations through a multi-jurisdictional approach. The purpose of filing two lawsuits, which will be filed through Paul Cambria and Louis Sirkin's respective law firms, is because there are so many issues with the amended regulations that addressing them all as part of one single lawsuit would be impossible. The FSC has been tapped as the plaintiff in both cases because it does not distribute content and is the industry trade association that deals with matters such as 2257. The FSC is also not subject to the requirements of 2257 record-keeping laws. "As soon as the final regulations are announced, we want to be ready to go to Federal District Court to seek an injunction on behalf of the FSC and its members," the FSC said. According to Piccionelli, the purpose of preparing for the lawsuit before the regulations have even been published is to get the judge to enjoin the regulations immediately before they go into effect. If the regulations are not challenged, adult webmasters who have not complied with the considerably stricter guidelines would be immediately be liable. The amended regulations are currently in a holding pattern before being published in the Federal Register, after which they would go into effect within 30 days. Of primary concern with the amendments is that the Justice Department has now broadened the definition of what an adult producer is to the extent that it could now include not only the original producer, but the content provider and possibly subsequent website operators that deal with the same content. The consequences of non-compliance could be dire for many webmasters, the lawyers agree, considering that 2257 law has never before been enforced by the government. And on the eve of the possible re-election of George Bush, an attack against the adult industry could easily be used by the government to support its political agenda and maintain strong support from more conservative Americans. Another scenario, Piccionelli predicts, could be that if Bush loses to Sen. John Kerry, he could leave the amended regulations as a "goodbye present" for the Kerry presidency to clean up after he's gone. "There are so many permutations," Piccionelli said. "The random element of going after a bunch of porn people could galvanize the religious right, but it could also alienate voters who don't want to see their tax dollars going into the fight against porn at this time in history." In the meantime, Douglas and Piccionelli have donated thousands of hours of their own time to get the project organized and to oversee the legal work from both law firms. All of the lawyers involved have also agreed to do the work at a fraction of their normal fees. The FSC has set up a fund to support the legal challenge and is asking the online adult community to donate up to $5,000 exclusively for the 2257 litigation fund. All questions regarding donations should be directed to the Free Speech Coalition, Jeffrey Douglas at (310) 576-3411, [email protected], or Greg Piccionelli at (310) 553-3375, [email protected]. Last edited by tony299; 10-20-2004 at 09:12 PM..

10-20-2004, 09:15 PM	#2
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10-20-2004, 09:23 PM	#5
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I am not asking them to fall on their sword ,I am asking them to write a check lol. To start it we are going to donate $100, right now things are alittle tight til my processor firms up but this effects us all. Last edited by tony299; 10-20-2004 at 09:24 PM..

10-20-2004, 09:53 PM	#8
Big Fish 47 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,035	OK - this thread title scared me. __________________

10-20-2004, 09:54 PM	#9
MrIzzz If u touch it, I will cum Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: long island Posts: 22,923	nice thread. it gives me hope seeing someone is taking up the cause. now if only more "playas" could step up __________________ WHO WANTS TO PLAY GRAB-ASS?

10-20-2004, 09:19 PM	#3
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Thanks Tofu , there are people on this board that have large resources. Its time to step up to the plate. You dont want to give out model releases of your star girls .While here is your chance, to protect them.

10-20-2004, 09:19 PM	#4
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	no big fish weill ever step up and use their money for the good of the industry unless it is a direct threat to them as a company.... there are very few, to no, martyrs in porn

10-20-2004, 09:48 PM	#7
KarupLou Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 323	Hi all, I think is this is an excellent post Tony! Just to let you know, I consider us a BIG FISH and we will be donating to this cause. Although we are not directly affected by this and all of our docs are in order we are still going to be supporting this as much as we can. BTW, good luck with Ibill Tony. I have followed your posts regarding IBill and I wish you the very best. That happened to us in 2001 with WTS and it sucked, but we recovered. Louis from www.karupspc.com

10-20-2004, 11:39 PM	#13
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10-21-2004, 06:10 AM	#15
scoreman Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,491	This is a great cause..COUNT US IN. __________________

10-21-2004, 06:34 AM	#17
dirtysouth Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mobtown Posts: 2,613	Would someone please post the link to the 2257 software proggy someone wrote?

10-21-2004, 07:46 AM	#19
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	I'm a very small fish (just a gallery guy) but I'll be sending at least 1K to the FSC for this fight. EVERYONE in this industry should contribute something.....this is WAY bigger than the Acacia fight, its not about money its about 5 years in jail for a paperwork error. __________________ sig too big

10-21-2004, 08:31 AM	#21
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	All you guys really rock

10-21-2004, 09:42 AM	#22
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	bump This belongs on the front page. __________________ sig too big

10-21-2004, 01:27 PM	#26
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	bump for unity