maddox

What do you think are the secrets behind these companies, how come they are able to buy domains before pool.com or similars? Of course they have direct connection with registries but this is not all, fast servers? low ping response? There must be some glitch.

AdultNex

Just give it up, Hong Kong owns j00.

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Love your sig

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maddox

I will fuck up the entire honkkong, just need to know if I missed something. Sure this is kinda secret subject but I will find out anyway

johndoebob

They started years ago where nobody really cared about expired domains, I doubt that they're still able to do what they did in the past without paying a lot for most domains.

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maddox

You are half right, they are still catching good names for a new domain registration price.

johndoebob

How do you know that they don't bid at the big ones?Money wouldn't be the problem nowdays.

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Crypt

its not really hard to figure out how they do it.
But need lot of $.

maddox

I have lots of EUR Post the directions, please stop with the empty words

maddox

I have registry access, 8ms ping to registry servers, registering names right after they are released and they are still able to do it before me

xclusive

my guess is they just have the cash to buy it from the person right before it expires or they are in with a registrar in an illegal way...

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johndoebob

ICANN accredited and servers right next to their processing server location would it be then.Money for it shouldn't be a problem for them.

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maddox

Taboo you there? maybe you will post your opinion?

maddox

sorry, am I writing not enough clearly? I have registry access so the company is ICANN accredited and 8ms is *just like* next to the registry servers

johndoebob

People who let good domains expire don't know shit and obviously don't care about them.It's likely that they aren't reachable and if they are I'd never deal with those idiots.

Idiots are most likely to act unpredictable and foolish.

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Crypt

You have a part of the solution ;)

You never noticed their domains are almost never on the same registrar? always bogus one with templatemonster templates ?

;)

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Crypt

Or a good tech ;)

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maddox

I am not sure if I understood you correctly, can you elaborate please?

johndoebob

Sorry got it wrong.They're using moniker as a registrar, maybe they have something to do with it.

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maddox

can you post your ICQ? I am also interested in some design work and you have envisionext in your sig...

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johndoebob

ICQ: 273533518

For design contact them I just have them in my sig but I'm not further related to them.

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Crypt

Ill give you a sample.

With Pool, when you win a domain , you prolly noticed often its often a completly BS registrar no one know about with a BS template for front.

If you get domains often from them, its almost never the same registrar.

So Ultimate Search do the same thing as pool but with a lot more connection to the registry it seem. They never use the same registrar to.

Yes you have a direct connect with ICANN , but they prolly have 250 of them on many servers in diff location.

So when you hit the registry 1 time to reg a domain , they prolly hit them 180 times before you.

johndoebob

They're mainly using Melbourne IT and Moniker, you're on the wrong path.

Another big one seems to get the domains through eNom.

Ultrasearch also drops more or less much per year, sometimes they seem to loose track.

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goBigtime

It's basically a numbers game....


Example... say there are 100 registrars.

If you have exclusive deals with 10 of them, then, all other factors aside (like server location or configuration), you have a 10% chance of getting any domain you are trying to "snap" up.

Using the same example, if POOL has exclusive deals with 50 of those registrars, then odds are, they can get 1 out of every 2 domains they go after (if they allocated all their connections for that domain).

So even if you had only ONE exclusive deal with a registrar, you could still go after a considerable amount of expiring domains with lower demand & be fairly successfull at getting them.


Make sense?

Crypt

Yup its something similar to this.

But you can add the fact they create registrars themself to.
So they can hit more hard.

johndoebob

Proof?

I doubt they own several ICANN accredited registrars and reseller accounts are useless.

I just see moniker and melbourne IT which are both ICANN accredited.

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Crypt

US or pool?

goBigtime

Sort of... but ICANN makes you jump through a few hoops to become, and continue to be a registrar.

That is why (in the past anyway) it has been much easier for places like Pool to just make deals with registrars.

I have heard that domain snapping companies pay or have paid each registrar between $10,000 and $20,000 a month for exclusive access to their registration connections (forgot the term) during drop times.

$10,000/month to a company in say, India, is A LOT of money & should more than cover all operation expenses of your legitimate Registrar operation. Get it?

johndoebob

US

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maddox

I checked some domains and ultsearch uses moniker mostly,
buydomains uses domaindiscover so I dont think you are correct saying they have tens of bogus registrars. In fact after some thinking I must say this should help unless registry is allowing many connections per company which is allowed AFAIK.

johndoebob

An Indian company paid as much as an American company to ICANN but not every registrar is earning real big money per month, no matter if Indian or American.

A registration blacklist + access would do the job I guess.

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goBigtime

THEY may not create a bunch of bogus registrars, but when OTHER PEOPLE know that someone is willing to pay them $5,000+ per month to "Become a registrar", then people will start to get creative.

The day you get listed as an new ICANN registrar, you can bet that more than one person is going to contact you with a business proposition.

Crypt

No fake registrars then ;) Almost the same deal ;)
Thank you for the part i was wrong with ;)

maddox

I am listed but no one contacted me, maybe thats because I dont have a *real website*

goBigtime

Huh?

I'm not sure I follow you on either statement.

Every registrar, if they are smart and know what people are willing to pay for access to the registry connections when names drop - is earning decent money for selling that access.

It would be hard to find one that isn't in that game now - if you could even find one at all.

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Registration blacklist? In what sense? Like...if the domain is registered with a company that sells out during drop times to a domain snapping company then you want to punish all of that registrars customers who have no idea about any of this?

Crypt

I think maddox want the free 5k$ to ;)

maddox

free 5k for what?

goBigtime

You're missing the point.... they aren't fake registrars. Well, some are constantly "under construction" but keeping up with their dues or whatever.... but I would think they can only do that for so long before ICANN will can them.

I think the main reason that domain snapping people are willing to pay others who WANT to become registrars is because there are a certain number of requirements that must be met in order to become, and continue to be a registrar.

If it was easier to start new companies and do it themselves than it is to pay someone $X/month then they would just do it themselves.

johndoebob

Getting ICANN accredited isn't free:

http://www.icann.org/registrars/accr...financials.htm

An indian company pays as much as an american even if that amount of money is more in india.

With registration blacklist I ment to blacklist all expiering domains so they get a huge delay or an order could not be proccessed.

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goBigtime

Here you go....

Become a registar

In addition to demonstrating that you have the technical skills and business plan required to operatate a registrar...

You'll need a cash deposit,
And Irrevocable standby LOC from your bank,
and a security bond -- IIRC it was around $75,000 to $100,000 minimum for the year.

It takes money to make money

Crypt

Yes, i got the point.

My "fake registrar" point was about the ugly templates and the no support from thoose registrars. Like thoose registrars were used only to snap domains.

I know you need lot of stuff to become one, "fake" was not the good word for it.

The "fake" was about the same ppl controling all of them or take over access on all of them to snap domains, like you explained.

Gynecologist

If you are a registrar how much does each .com domain cost you?

goBigtime

Right.... which is why it is important that people getting into the registrar business actually WANT to become a registrar.

However, if you are in India, your monthly overhead will be much lower than in the states (ie, salaries of IT staff)

So having a benefactor that is willing to assure that you make a profit every month in exchange for exclusive access to a certain function of your service without really effecting your service as a whole... could be seen as a good thing.

goBigtime

As far as I know - $6

johndoebob

Depends, but as far as I know ~5$ for the bigger ones.

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