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baddog · 10-19-2004, 03:13 PM

Not sure if it is drama yet, just asking for opinions at this point.

The scenario:

Party A has a very nice script.

Party B recognizes it is a very nice script, and would like a bastardized version for himself.

Party A gives okay to his programmer to sell him a version of the script at a very reduced rate.

Programmer agrees to modify the script under the following terms:

50% down and he will make modifications. When it is ready, Party B will pay the balance and programmer will install it.

Programmer prepares mods, it has been ready for 4 or 5 months, however, Party B does not have the money to pay for the install. He asks the programmer if he will install it anyway, and take payment later.

Against the advice of Party A, programmer agrees to do it.

Programmer needs FTP access from Party B, has requested it from the get go, Party B finally provides it 2 days ago.

Party B then states that he needs the install done immediately or he will pay someone else to do it (not sure how he expects that to happen, but oh well)

The attitude causes programmer to say okay, when you pay the other 50% as originally agreed upon I will install it. The offer to do it on the front is rescinded.

Party B now expects a full refund (even though programmer has spent hours making mods to script, and has requested FTP access since the day Party A agreed to sell a copy of script to Party B.

Is Party B entitled to a refund?

Bugbee · 10-19-2004, 03:19 PM

sounds like 50% down and 50% (balance) upon completion. Unless there is a clause in the contract (which I am assuming no one had a contract) deposit goes to cover amount of work done up to date. No refund no balance no more work.

And alass once again another reason to have a contract for just about any biz deal that goes down

I hope it does not turn into drama good luck Baddog

sicone · 10-19-2004, 03:19 PM

No... simply put, the up front 50% was a deposit on the work to be done. Now that the work has been done by party A, Party B is trying to change the terms agreed to in the begining, for this to happen, both parties need to agree to new terms of the 'contract'

C_U_Next_Tuesday · 10-19-2004, 03:20 PM

no..party B should have had the full payment when he first bought this script and wanted someone else to take their time to make it party b's own version.

PartyA should tell PartyB to suck a cock.

mardigras · 10-19-2004, 03:21 PM

Serious. You should have a contract detailing what is non-refundable for time and a set time after noncomplete payment that the script can be sold to someone else. Never do "favors" that you can't afford or don't mind losing.

baddog · 10-19-2004, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by GigaBugbee
sounds like 50% down and 50% (balance) upon completion. Unless there is a clause in the contract (which I am assuming no one had a contract) deposit goes to cover amount of work done up to date. No refund no balance no more work.

And alass once again another reason to have a contract for just about any biz deal that goes down

I hope it does not turn into drama good luck Baddog

Oh, I have a feeling Party B is going to see the error of his ways. . . although, I do kind of hope he decided to follow up and "bring it to the boards."

I think he forgot who Party A is, and feels he can bully the programmer around. Not going to happen.

Platinumpimp · 10-19-2004, 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday
no..party B should have had the full payment when he first bought this script and wanted someone else to take their time to make it party b's own version.

PartyA should tell PartyB to suck a cock.

That last part would be not really be nessescary, but you got a point nevertheless

A C · 10-19-2004, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by baddog
Oh, I have a feeling Party B is going to see the error of his ways. . . although, I do kind of hope he decided to follow up and "bring it to the boards."

I think he forgot who Party A is, and feels he can bully the programmer around. Not going to happen.

man you sound like god himself speaking lol

what a joke

baddog · 10-19-2004, 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday
no..party B should have had the full payment when he first bought this script and wanted someone else to take their time to make it party b's own version.

PartyA should tell PartyB to suck a cock.

Party A and the programmer were being overly generous, this is true. Primarily because they have both known Party B for several years.

To be honest, Party A thought programmer was being really, really generous, and hopefully programmer will heed advice when requested and given.

But neither thought $250 was going to be that big of a deal.

eroswebmaster · 10-19-2004, 03:29 PM

Someone say party?

Holly · 10-19-2004, 03:29 PM

This is my take on it: I hope one of the parties is someone everyone really likes, and one of the parties is someone everyone really hates.

It's always better like that.

baddog · 10-19-2004, 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by A C
man you sound like god himself speaking lol

what a joke

Okay . . . why don't you give your opinion of the situation? I know you would never be biased.

Holly · 10-19-2004, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
Someone say party?

http://www.itsaparty.com

baddog · 10-19-2004, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by Holly
This is my take on it: I hope one of the parties is someone everyone really likes, and one of the parties is someone everyone really hates.

It's always better like that.

Time will tell

A C · 10-19-2004, 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by baddog
Okay . . . why don't you give your opinion of the situation? I know you would never be biased.

Im just as biased as you may be. I for one have heard the other side of the story, and thats pretty much where its going to end, what your guy told you and what my guy told me, we are both second hand in this.

As far as I heard there was no custom coding done just a simple install and it was never completed after repeated attempts. Im sure what you heard is the opposite of that.

Oh well lol, lets take the spot light and shine it on the programmer and the guy that paid him to do the work?

then let a jury decide

I know where my vote lays

AC

baddog · 10-19-2004, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by A C
Im just as biased as you may be. I for one have heard the other side of the story, and thats pretty much where its going to end, what your guy told you and what my guy told me, we are both second hand in this.

You forget, there are at least 3 sides to this story . . . you are forgetting about Party A, and Party A is pretty well in touch with this, and knows for fact that there was custom programming done because otherwise he wouldn't have even sold it, especially not for $500.

So, while I am sure you are getting a very bastardized (I think that is the first time I have ever used that word twice in one thread) version of the facts. I, however, am quite close to Party A. He would never lie to me.

A C · 10-19-2004, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by baddog
You forget, there are at least 3 sides to this story . . . you are forgetting about Party A, and Party A is pretty well in touch with this, and knows for fact that there was custom programming done because otherwise he wouldn't have even sold it, especially not for $500.

So, while I am sure you are getting a very bastardized (I think that is the first time I have ever used that word twice in one thread) version of the facts. I, however, am quite close to Party A. He would never lie to me.

I feel the same about party B, would never lie to me, and I've read the full icq convo history between party B and the programmer, and NO WHERE that I could see any talk of customising anything, infact the only place that the word custom was used was:

"less customer support time that way"

can you show some icq logs stating that there was infact custom programming done? MAYBE the programmer had plans to sell it as is ;\ Which if thats the case Im sorry for you as you said you are close to this guy.

AC

baddog · 10-19-2004, 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by A C
I feel the same about party B, would never lie to me, and I've read the full icq convo history between party B and the programmer, and NO WHERE that I could see any talk of customising anything, infact the only place that the word custom was used was:

"less customer support time that way"

can you show some icq logs stating that there was infact custom programming done? MAYBE the programmer had plans to sell it as is ;\ Which if thats the case Im sorry for you as you said you are close to this guy.

AC

go look for the words modify or modification . . . if you don't see them, you aren't looking at the complete logs.

evanmorgan · 10-19-2004, 03:57 PM

cant take your ante back once you have seen your cards.....

baddog · 10-19-2004, 03:58 PM

Put it this way AC, the script in its original form is not worth shit to Party B . . . also, if it did not require modification, why would there be a delay? It would have just been installed on the day Party A agreed to let it be sold to Party B.

Also, Party B approached Party A about purchasing the script, it would have been pretty difficult for the programmer to sell it behind Party A's back

A C · 10-19-2004, 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by baddog
go look for the words modify or modification . . . if you don't see them, you aren't looking at the complete logs.

Put it this way AC, the script in its original form is not worth shit to Party B . . . also, if it did not require modification, why would there be a delay? It would have just been installed on the day Party A agreed to let it be sold to Party B.

I understand what you are saying, i did look thru the logs and still saw nothing about mods ;\. Can you produce logs that talk about this, if this has been dragging out for a while now its quite possible someone forgot something they said, or thought they remembered something they didnt. So check for me see if you can find any logs stating between programmer and party B that there was in fact plans to do changes, IF the programmer DID make those changes and can show that, then sure I agree with you, either A call it quits and part ways, or B follow thru with plan, either way neither is left wanting.

Find those logs for me if ya can.

AC

DTK · 10-19-2004, 10:36 PM

Is that fish I smell?

10-19-2004, 03:13 PM	#1
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	There may be drama brewing . . . sorry no (pics) Not sure if it is drama yet, just asking for opinions at this point. The scenario: Party A has a very nice script. Party B recognizes it is a very nice script, and would like a bastardized version for himself. Party A gives okay to his programmer to sell him a version of the script at a very reduced rate. Programmer agrees to modify the script under the following terms: 50% down and he will make modifications. When it is ready, Party B will pay the balance and programmer will install it. Programmer prepares mods, it has been ready for 4 or 5 months, however, Party B does not have the money to pay for the install. He asks the programmer if he will install it anyway, and take payment later. Against the advice of Party A, programmer agrees to do it. Programmer needs FTP access from Party B, has requested it from the get go, Party B finally provides it 2 days ago. Party B then states that he needs the install done immediately or he will pay someone else to do it (not sure how he expects that to happen, but oh well) The attitude causes programmer to say okay, when you pay the other 50% as originally agreed upon I will install it. The offer to do it on the front is rescinded. Party B now expects a full refund (even though programmer has spent hours making mods to script, and has requested FTP access since the day Party A agreed to sell a copy of script to Party B. Is Party B entitled to a refund?

10-19-2004, 03:19 PM	#2
Bugbee Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Your moms house Posts: 4,609	sounds like 50% down and 50% (balance) upon completion. Unless there is a clause in the contract (which I am assuming no one had a contract) deposit goes to cover amount of work done up to date. No refund no balance no more work. And alass once again another reason to have a contract for just about any biz deal that goes down I hope it does not turn into drama good luck Baddog __________________ Stephen Bugbee www.x2k.com ICQ# FUCK ICQ bugbee AT x2k dot com X2K consulting and media services - specializing in business development, technology and profitability of your new or existing products and services X2K MEDIA SUITE Need a high risk merchant account? Contact me.. Are you a donor? Have a heart and help someone in need. Go to the DMV and be sure you are a donor, it saves lives!!!!

10-19-2004, 03:19 PM	#3
sicone Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sac Posts: 18,453	No... simply put, the up front 50% was a deposit on the work to be done. Now that the work has been done by party A, Party B is trying to change the terms agreed to in the begining, for this to happen, both parties need to agree to new terms of the 'contract' __________________

10-19-2004, 03:21 PM	#5
mardigras Bon temps! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: down yonder Posts: 14,194	Serious. You should have a contract detailing what is non-refundable for time and a set time after noncomplete payment that the script can be sold to someone else. Never do "favors" that you can't afford or don't mind losing. __________________ .

10-19-2004, 03:29 PM	#10
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10-19-2004, 03:20 PM	#4
C_U_Next_Tuesday WW4L Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: over the river and through the woods Posts: 10,581	no..party B should have had the full payment when he first bought this script and wanted someone else to take their time to make it party b's own version. PartyA should tell PartyB to suck a cock.

10-19-2004, 03:29 PM	#11
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10-19-2004, 03:58 PM	#20
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Put it this way AC, the script in its original form is not worth shit to Party B . . . also, if it did not require modification, why would there be a delay? It would have just been installed on the day Party A agreed to let it be sold to Party B. Also, Party B approached Party A about purchasing the script, it would have been pretty difficult for the programmer to sell it behind Party A's back Last edited by baddog; 10-19-2004 at 04:00 PM..

10-19-2004, 10:36 PM	#22
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