How long is reasonable for a designer to wait to be paid? - GoFuckYourself.com

tootie · 10-19-2004, 03:41 PM

If you took a very large project with no money up front and gave the client a discount, and you completed the project and delivered it, how long do you think is reasonable to wait for payment?

Marcus Aurelius · 10-19-2004, 03:45 PM

I would think 2 days, they knew the price, they knew the delivery date more than likely, they should have no excuse to hold out longer than a few days.

I would never hire anyone without having the money already available for them upon completion. Doing it any other way is pretty shady.

polish_aristocrat · 10-19-2004, 03:46 PM

Maybe 7 days

AdultWebGraphics · 10-19-2004, 03:46 PM

I think 2 weeks, depending on where its coming from 5 - 7 days in the mail and another week max to get the payment taken care of is about right.

WarChild · 10-19-2004, 03:47 PM

I usually pre pay my design work and only work with established, trusted designers.

That being said, I'd say 5-7 days is a reasonable grace period. The payment should be on it's way by then.

jact · 10-19-2004, 03:47 PM

LadyMischief has been waiting for a very sizable company to make good on their debt for design work since October of last year. There's been much corrispondence about it and they just never seem able to cough up the $150. Sad that it's such a small amount. It'd be nice if they'd actually pay, sucks having to explain a $150 AR to your accountant.

tootie · 10-19-2004, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by AdultWebGraphics
I think 2 weeks, depending on where its coming from 5 - 7 days in the mail and another week max to get the payment taken care of is about right.

What about if they are supposed to pay by other methods like wire transfer, Western Union, ePassporte, etc?

Sly · 10-19-2004, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by tootie
If you took a very large project with no money up front and gave the client a discount, and you completed the project and delivered it, how long do you think is reasonable to wait for payment?

I hope this was a repeat client, otherwise why would you do such a silly thing? Only put up what you can afford to lose.

candyflip · 10-19-2004, 03:49 PM

Why would you deliver a completed project without taking full payment?

WarChild · 10-19-2004, 03:49 PM

P.s. Tootie rocks

tootie · 10-19-2004, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by Sly
I hope this was a repeat client, otherwise why would you do such a silly thing? Only put up what you can afford to lose.

Trust. I had never worked for them before but they seem to have a solid reutation. I won't do that again, for sure.

Also, I needed the money really badly. I gave the client a price for 50% up front and I offered the client a discount if he'd pay 100% up front, but he offered to buy more if I'd discount even further and take nothing up front.

AdultWebGraphics · 10-19-2004, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by tootie
What about if they are supposed to pay by other methods like wire transfer, Western Union, ePassporte, etc?

I would say 5 days on that, Some companies send out payments when they pay webmasters. 2 weeks should be the max no matter how they pay though.

pradaboy · 10-19-2004, 03:52 PM

Like WarChild said I normally pay upfront but then again I only do business with designers I trust.

Depending on way of payment, 2 weeks for offline payment, 1 week for online payment.

Sly · 10-19-2004, 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by tootie
Trust. I had never worked for them before but they seem to have a solid reutation. I won't do that again, for sure.

Also, I needed the money really badly. I gave the client a price for 50% up front and I offered the client a discount if he'd pay 100% up front, but he offered to buy more if I'd discount even further and take nothing up front.

A solid reputation based on what? Unfortunately, those who seem to have great reputations often don't.

Hope you get your money soon.

tootie · 10-19-2004, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by Sly
A solid reputation based on what? Unfortunately, those who seem to have great reputations often don't.

Hope you get your money soon.

Well, I'd never seen any complaints about them. Unfortunately I saw a thread a couple of days after I completed the first round of work where someone else had a late payment for some work from them, too. I was already pretty far into the project by then, though, and I'd made a committment to do the work without payment up front. I always do my best to honor my committments.

TurboAngel · 10-19-2004, 03:58 PM

I hope you get your $$ soon hun!

KRL · 10-19-2004, 03:59 PM

I pay in house people every two weeks.

For outsourced it depends on the deal structured, but usually after its completed and functioning properly. But if I got bumped or jerked along the way then 30 days or longer like any other bill.

If they are a partner in a project also they get paid on a partner timeline.

Arousal Design · 10-19-2004, 04:04 PM

If it was a large account you should have setup a contract...

Just keep the pressure on, that should work.

Platinumpimp · 10-19-2004, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by tootie
Well, I'd never seen any complaints about them. Unfortunately I saw a thread a couple of days after I completed the first round of work where someone else had a late payment for some work from them, too. I was already pretty far into the project by then, though, and I'd made a committment to do the work without payment up front. I always do my best to honor my committments.

Sucks to hear, who are you talking about?

Ironhorse · 10-19-2004, 04:05 PM

You really should discuss these things upfront and in no uncertain terms, a contract wouldn't hurt. Also don't do shit without a deposit, especially first time customers. Everytime I do, I get screwed.

Without these precautions, I guess 2 weeks to a month is reasonable, again this should be spelled out in your invoice, after that hit them up with collection notices.

Good luck, sorry to hear about this..

TurboAngel · 10-19-2004, 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by PlatinumPimp
Sucks to hear, who are you talking about?

Shit, now I want to know.

tootie · 10-19-2004, 04:28 PM

Well, I feel it's very important to respect my clients' privacy. I wouldn't bring something like that public unless I really felt there was no hope of being paid and it had come to the point of basically warning people to avoid doing business with them.

fuzebox · 10-19-2004, 04:37 PM

I understand... Doing contracting myself sometimes it's hard to close a deal without agreeing to full payment upon completion, especially with a new client who is suspicious of scammers.

I've never delivered without getting paid, but I have put in many hours of work and been shafted at the end before.

johndoebob · 10-19-2004, 04:44 PM

You're a known designer and anything but upfront doesn't make sense to me beside the person has a very good reason why no money is avaible upfront.

Rochard · 10-19-2004, 05:29 PM

Thirty days.

Some of us in this industry are a business. This means standard business models apply.

You do the work and submit an invoice or bill. The company then has thrity days to cut you a check.

If you were to do graphics or webpage work at my request for Lightspeed Cash, when the project is completed to my satisfcation you submit a bill to me. I enter it into my records, and then pass it off to our accountant for payment. Depending on her workload is when the check gets cut. Allow a week for snail mail.......

baddog · 10-19-2004, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by tootie
What about if they are supposed to pay by other methods like wire transfer, Western Union, ePassporte, etc?

Western Union or bank wire, a day or maybe two (depends on the day of the week)

epassporte or paypal . . .about 10 minutes, 15 tops

webmaster x · 10-19-2004, 06:46 PM

Ask for Cash UP FRONT. If they don't want to do it, then WALK AWAY QUICKLY. A legit operation will pay UP FRONT.

infectd · 10-19-2004, 06:48 PM

I'm waiting on a client right now. Huge problems on both ends for this project. Complained about things coming in late. Now payment is coming in late. Fair enough if it was 50/50 but its all 100% unpaid for. I have a feeling I'll get burned.
I feel your pain tootie

Dagwolf · 10-19-2004, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by TurboAngel
Shit, now I want to know.

I've got a pretty good idea who this is. I'll be glad to help you as much as I can, Tootie. Your work is beautiful.

I know a few things about reluctant contractors.

BTW, was this job a large number of banners, by chance?

aSStig · 10-19-2004, 07:00 PM

seven days for me . . . . .

Dagwolf · 10-19-2004, 07:05 PM

BTW, when I do contract work I'll wait about a week past the date they SAY they'll pay me before I start prodding them... Another week before I bring out the big guns.

Tootie, someone with your rep and skills should NEVER have to work without up-front money. I'm sure you've got lots of good references, so they should trust you.

When I can't get that, I usually complete part of the job and require partial payment before I complete it. UNLESS the company has really good references.

I made the mistake of bending policy once for a company that SEEMED solid... had a hell of a time getting paid.

Sebo de Macho · 10-19-2004, 07:06 PM

We spend money everyday I think 5 days is fair enough in both parties..

tootie · 10-19-2004, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by Dagwolf
I've got a pretty good idea who this is. I'll be glad to help you as much as I can, Tootie. Your work is beautiful.

I know a few things about reluctant contractors.

BTW, was this job a large number of banners, by chance?

No, not banners. It was a chunk of full sites.

theS2O · 10-19-2004, 07:09 PM

i never started a project without an upfront payment.. if it's a big one, at least have a 50% downpayment and the rest before you turnover the completed design.

mv

Marcus · 10-19-2004, 07:11 PM

Make sure you remind them.

One time I thought I sent payment when I actually forgot to. It wasn't until he reminded me that I realized I forgot to send it and I sent it right away.

sweetcuties · 10-19-2004, 07:13 PM

Fuck that, if you're not paid within a day or so there's problems

pxxx · 10-19-2004, 07:14 PM

about 2 weeks, but Tootie rocks, and if it is epassporte or paypal. An hour max.

tootie · 10-19-2004, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by Marcus
Make sure you remind them.

One time I thought I sent payment when I actually forgot to. It wasn't until he reminded me that I realized I forgot to send it and I sent it right away.

I've reminded them about it every day. I even explained how urgent it was and I was told I'd be sent a wire Monday, but it didn't arrive and Monday night they apologized and said they'd take a look at the stuff I sent but I didn't get paid today, either.

BlueDesignStudios · 10-19-2004, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by tootie
If you took a very large project with no money up front and gave the client a discount, and you completed the project and delivered it, how long do you think is reasonable to wait for payment?

I've been waiting 9 months for European Lee to pay.

I think this is way to long, what do you think?

Trixxxia · 10-19-2004, 07:23 PM

With all the bad luck you've been getting, I hope to G that you'll get your money & if they aren't able to or have no intention to pay you, they let it be known NOW so you can make other arrangements or sell them off to others FAST!

Good Luck Tootie, DAMN you deserve a break!!

cosis · 10-19-2004, 07:28 PM

fuck anything past a week, i wouldn't even wait that long

V_RocKs · 10-19-2004, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by tootie
I've reminded them about it every day. I even explained how urgent it was and I was told I'd be sent a wire Monday, but it didn't arrive and Monday night they apologized and said they'd take a look at the stuff I sent but I didn't get paid today, either.

Fucking assholes! Tootie, if they live in California, give me a ring on ICQ and I will get the money out of them ;) If they don't, put a price tag on them and I'll get it anyway.

Thanks for the designs you had done for me, I have only had time to impliment 2 of them but I am getting around to doing the others too. Work is always awesome and more than I expected.

Who ever you are, not paying Tootie, quit fucking around or you will have an industry on your ass.

theS2O · 10-19-2004, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
I've been waiting 9 months for European Lee to pay.

I think this is way to long, what do you think?

tootie · 10-19-2004, 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
I've been waiting 9 months for European Lee to pay.

I think this is way to long, what do you think?

Ouch

Drake · 10-19-2004, 07:37 PM

Always get at least half pre-paid on any online design project. Any reputable company will be willing to pre-pay at least half, if not all upfront.

PurrrsianPussyKat · 10-19-2004, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by tootie
I've reminded them about it every day. I even explained how urgent it was and I was told I'd be sent a wire Monday, but it didn't arrive and Monday night they apologized and said they'd take a look at the stuff I sent but I didn't get paid today, either.

Sounds like a guy we did some sites for.
He was always going to send payment on Friday.
Then it was his partner that would send it next friday... and so on and so on. Took about a month and a half before we finally recieved payment and even then it was $15 shy. :P
Was just happy to finally get it.

Hope you get it all worked out tootie!

sextoyking · 10-19-2004, 07:58 PM

Tottie,

Sorry you have to deal with "slow payers"

We don't ask for payment upfront, but we do expect payment as soon as the designs are done or within 1-3 days. Depends on wire time, company checks, etc.

Best of luck

Todd

TurboAngel · 10-19-2004, 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by tootie
Well, I feel it's very important to respect my clients' privacy. I wouldn't bring something like that public unless I really felt there was no hope of being paid and it had come to the point of basically warning people to avoid doing business with them.

Sounds good hun.

beemk · 10-19-2004, 08:02 PM

who was it? spill it

VeriSexy · 10-19-2004, 08:10 PM

I think you should be paid within 24 hours and 2 days max

10-19-2004, 03:41 PM	#1
tootie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Planet Earp Posts: 6,041	How long is reasonable for a designer to wait to be paid? If you took a very large project with no money up front and gave the client a discount, and you completed the project and delivered it, how long do you think is reasonable to wait for payment? __________________

10-19-2004, 03:46 PM	#3
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	Maybe 7 days __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

10-19-2004, 03:47 PM	#5
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	I usually pre pay my design work and only work with established, trusted designers. That being said, I'd say 5-7 days is a reasonable grace period. The payment should be on it's way by then. __________________ .

10-19-2004, 03:47 PM	#6
jact Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Canada Posts: 9,134	LadyMischief has been waiting for a very sizable company to make good on their debt for design work since October of last year. There's been much corrispondence about it and they just never seem able to cough up the $150. Sad that it's such a small amount. It'd be nice if they'd actually pay, sucks having to explain a $150 AR to your accountant. __________________ Free agent

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candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,064	Why would you deliver a completed project without taking full payment? __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

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2 weeks	5	6.41%
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10-19-2004, 03:45 PM	#2
Marcus Aurelius No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14,809	I would think 2 days, they knew the price, they knew the delivery date more than likely, they should have no excuse to hold out longer than a few days. I would never hire anyone without having the money already available for them upon completion. Doing it any other way is pretty shady.

10-19-2004, 03:46 PM	#4
AdultWebGraphics Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 980	I think 2 weeks, depending on where its coming from 5 - 7 days in the mail and another week max to get the payment taken care of is about right.

10-19-2004, 03:49 PM	#10
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	P.s. Tootie rocks __________________ .

10-19-2004, 03:52 PM	#13
pradaboy sell me your banners Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: on the tubes Posts: 12,931	Like WarChild said I normally pay upfront but then again I only do business with designers I trust. Depending on way of payment, 2 weeks for offline payment, 1 week for online payment. __________________ Media Buyer - Sell me your traffic! FREE to register domains... Better than 99% of the crap sold here!

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KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	I pay in house people every two weeks. For outsourced it depends on the deal structured, but usually after its completed and functioning properly. But if I got bumped or jerked along the way then 30 days or longer like any other bill. If they are a partner in a project also they get paid on a partner timeline. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

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Ironhorse Pixel Pusher Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,093	You really should discuss these things upfront and in no uncertain terms, a contract wouldn't hurt. Also don't do shit without a deposit, especially first time customers. Everytime I do, I get screwed. Without these precautions, I guess 2 weeks to a month is reasonable, again this should be spelled out in your invoice, after that hit them up with collection notices. Good luck, sorry to hear about this.. __________________ [email protected]

10-19-2004, 04:28 PM	#22
tootie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Planet Earp Posts: 6,041	Well, I feel it's very important to respect my clients' privacy. I wouldn't bring something like that public unless I really felt there was no hope of being paid and it had come to the point of basically warning people to avoid doing business with them. __________________

10-19-2004, 04:37 PM	#23
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,119	I understand... Doing contracting myself sometimes it's hard to close a deal without agreeing to full payment upon completion, especially with a new client who is suspicious of scammers. I've never delivered without getting paid, but I have put in many hours of work and been shafted at the end before.

10-19-2004, 04:44 PM	#24
johndoebob Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,405	You're a known designer and anything but upfront doesn't make sense to me beside the person has a very good reason why no money is avaible upfront. __________________

10-19-2004, 05:29 PM	#25
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,033	Thirty days. Some of us in this industry are a business. This means standard business models apply. You do the work and submit an invoice or bill. The company then has thrity days to cut you a check. If you were to do graphics or webpage work at my request for Lightspeed Cash, when the project is completed to my satisfcation you submit a bill to me. I enter it into my records, and then pass it off to our accountant for payment. Depending on her workload is when the check gets cut. Allow a week for snail mail....... __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

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10-19-2004, 06:48 PM	#28
infectd Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canerda Posts: 1,122	I'm waiting on a client right now. Huge problems on both ends for this project. Complained about things coming in late. Now payment is coming in late. Fair enough if it was 50/50 but its all 100% unpaid for. I have a feeling I'll get burned. I feel your pain tootie

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aSStig Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,102	seven days for me . . . . . __________________ PAYMENT SOLUTIONS http://www.firstdata.com

10-19-2004, 07:05 PM	#31
Dagwolf President of Canada Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leaving Hell, Entering Limbo Posts: 23,141	BTW, when I do contract work I'll wait about a week past the date they SAY they'll pay me before I start prodding them... Another week before I bring out the big guns. Tootie, someone with your rep and skills should NEVER have to work without up-front money. I'm sure you've got lots of good references, so they should trust you. When I can't get that, I usually complete part of the job and require partial payment before I complete it. UNLESS the company has really good references. I made the mistake of bending policy once for a company that SEEMED solid... had a hell of a time getting paid. __________________ Sleep well, and dream of large women.

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Sebo de Macho Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 336	We spend money everyday I think 5 days is fair enough in both parties.. __________________ Teeny Teen Girls - One of the best free pictures and videos online. WEBMASTER - We offer free hosting and dream submitter sign up now!

10-19-2004, 07:09 PM	#34
theS2O Adult Design Since 2003 Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: s2odesigns.com Posts: 4,784	i never started a project without an upfront payment.. if it's a big one, at least have a 50% downpayment and the rest before you turnover the completed design. mv __________________ EMAIL ME at [email protected] for Design Inquiries! \| SKYPE: s2odesigns \| ICQ: 280646555 Adult/Mainstream Website Designs \| Illustrations, Toons & Corporate Logos S2O Designs - Making Awesome Logos & Websites Since 2003!

10-19-2004, 07:11 PM	#35
Marcus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,472	Make sure you remind them. One time I thought I sent payment when I actually forgot to. It wasn't until he reminded me that I realized I forgot to send it and I sent it right away.

10-19-2004, 07:13 PM	#36
sweetcuties Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Posts: 5,859	Fuck that, if you're not paid within a day or so there's problems __________________

10-19-2004, 07:14 PM	#37
pxxx First African GFY Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 12,114	about 2 weeks, but Tootie rocks, and if it is epassporte or paypal. An hour max.

10-19-2004, 07:23 PM	#40
Trixxxia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 5,600	With all the bad luck you've been getting, I hope to G that you'll get your money & if they aren't able to or have no intention to pay you, they let it be known NOW so you can make other arrangements or sell them off to others FAST! Good Luck Tootie, DAMN you deserve a break!!

10-19-2004, 07:28 PM	#41
cosis Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Beach Posts: 5,281	fuck anything past a week, i wouldn't even wait that long

10-19-2004, 07:37 PM	#45
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Always get at least half pre-paid on any online design project. Any reputable company will be willing to pre-pay at least half, if not all upfront.

10-19-2004, 07:58 PM	#47
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Tottie, Sorry you have to deal with "slow payers" We don't ask for payment upfront, but we do expect payment as soon as the designs are done or within 1-3 days. Depends on wire time, company checks, etc. Best of luck Todd __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

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