Why can't you depend on anyone in our industry? - GoFuckYourself.com

jact · 10-19-2004, 01:35 PM

Seems the growing trend, first it was just designers, then content providers, now it seems account reps, hired contractors and just about everyone you deal with on a daily basis let you down and don't follow through on what they've promised. It's always an excuse, always someone elses fault, never their own lazy ways. Is this industry so chalked full of the lowest common denominator that you absolutely cannot depend on anyone? Do you have to be so talent-rich that you can do everything yourself these days?

How the hell do you find people you can depend on? Everyone I've been using lately has come highly recommended by many, many people. Do they have lower standards? Lower expectations? Are they suggesting them because they get a kickback? What? I'm so tired of people letting me down, keeping my company from making advancements because we're always waiting for some kind of life changing catastorphy to happen in whomever's life we're depending on....

Lazy ass porn "webmasters"

quiet · 10-19-2004, 01:39 PM

you simply can't trust anyone. the one time you do, you get fucked.

stick to employees, keep as much in-house as possible. never let anyone know exactly how your big picture all fits together.

jact · 10-19-2004, 01:40 PM

Okay, I shouldn't be that hard on everyone, there's a tiny (and I do mean tiny) handful of people that you can count on to come through, and some that go way beyond what's expected of them. Those people I truly appreciate. You know who you are. The rest of you, smarten up.

jact · 10-19-2004, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by quiet
you simply can't trust anyone. the one time you do, you get fucked.

stick to employees, keep as much in-house as possible. never let anyone know exactly how your big picture all fits together.

We have 6 in house employees, and the work is just too much for us all to keep up on. Unfortunately finding good help to hire in house is difficult also. Oh for simplier times.

Roald · 10-19-2004, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by quiet
you simply can't trust anyone. the one time you do, you get fucked.

stick to employees, keep as much in-house as possible. never let anyone know exactly how your big picture all fits together.

thats a bit harsh don't you think ;)

murray_dawg · 10-19-2004, 01:44 PM

Heh... Jact that's the way it goes.

Remember even if someone comes highly recommended, it could just be because people like him/her. It has nothing to do with work ethic sometimes.

Everyone are "bros" in this industry. I think it's too bad.

okny · 10-19-2004, 01:45 PM

It's always been like this, i come across a problem like once in a while but their is nothing you can do expect avoiding doing busines with that person again.

quiet · 10-19-2004, 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by jact
Unfortunately finding good help to hire in house is difficult also

no fucking doubt man. but taking the time to find them is absolutely essential imo.

Sexzity · 10-19-2004, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by quiet
you simply can't trust anyone. the one time you do, you get fucked.

stick to employees, keep as much in-house as possible. never let anyone know exactly how your big picture all fits together.

Remember only to tell your employees, what they need to know.
Best thing is if noone of your employees known eachother.

BlingDaddy · 10-19-2004, 01:47 PM

I rely on myself exclusively....

jact · 10-19-2004, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by quiet
no fucking doubt man. but taking the time to find them is absolutely essential imo.

We have a pretty solid team as it stands, sure there's been bumps in the road but things are definitely on the up and up. I'm thinking for future sake though, I'm going to start looking at colleges for new hires that have nothing to do with the industry. I'm so paranoid they're going to take information they get here and put it to use elsewhere.

sixxxthsense · 10-19-2004, 01:49 PM

It aint just the webmasters, its people in general, people = unreliable, computers = reliable, make computers ur friends and ull succeed!

quiet · 10-19-2004, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by jact
I'm so paranoid they're going to take information they get here and put it to use elsewhere.

all i can say, is AMEN.

The Other Sweetie · 10-19-2004, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by quiet
you simply can't trust anyone. the one time you do, you get fucked.

stick to employees, keep as much in-house as possible. never let anyone know exactly how your big picture all fits together.

I second that. I was dicked hard when I first started almost 4 years ago. At least I learned early on how easily you can get screwed.

Now If I don't know how to do something, I teach myself before I'd ever recruit someone to help me. It may be stupidity and stubbornness on my part, but I've learned an awful lot that way so it works for me.

I now have the satisfaction of loading that dickwads's sites and seeing them all shut down and I'm still here and kicking. Karma is such a wonderful thing.

uchase/webpry · 10-19-2004, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by jact
I'm so paranoid they're going to take information they get here and put it to use elsewhere.

... in 8 years I haven't seen one ex employee getting things to work by himself. there is leaders and there are followers.

jact · 10-19-2004, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by uchase/webpry
... in 8 years I haven't seen one ex employee getting things to work by himself. there is leaders and there are followers.

I'm not worried about them getting it going on their own, I'm simply worried about the information getting out there, being first isn't always best, it's the guy who's second who has room to improve on an idea.

WiredGuy · 10-19-2004, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by jact
I'm so paranoid they're going to take information they get here and put it to use elsewhere.

Now you know how I feel

My suggestion, kill employees upon termination.
WG

The Other Steve · 10-19-2004, 02:01 PM

Even 'employees' who look good can let you down and many of them have little concept of how important deadlines can be.

Still there are others who are great to have on board and can come through with the goods when the pressure is really on.

XxXotic · 10-19-2004, 02:03 PM

blame canada

The Other Steve · 10-19-2004, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
Now you know how I feel

My suggestion, kill employees upon termination.
WG

Mmmm okaaaay

I can see the next big Hollywood blockbuster now - The Google Guru Serial Killer

maxjohan · 10-19-2004, 02:06 PM

Like Donald Trump said:

The most important is Energy.

We are in the middle of season one here, if you want to know lol.

eroswebmaster · 10-19-2004, 02:07 PM

I don't think it has anything to do just with this biz...but maybe it has to do with so many people working out of their homes with far too many distractions that can pull them this way or that way.

When I was working "9-5" in the mainstream world there were boundaries.

Even my family knew not to bother me when I was working.

I couldn't just decide...hey I'm tired I think I'll take a nap and catch up on work later.

Or I'll go ahead and hit the matinee *during a weekday* and work some extra tonight.

It's okay to do all of those things if you actually get caught up or stay caught up.

But if you don't it can catch up with you really quick.

Even I at times have trouble staying focused. So many things to distract you it's incredible. Message boards...news on t.v...music...etc..etc.

I at times miss those good old days before the internet took over everything. Where I showed up to work, did my job and when I left my job I left my work too.

But now with the net so entrenched in all our lives it's hard to seperate it all.

Work is online, friends are online, and entertainment is online.

I've been doing things to get myself away from the computer and it has given me a new perspective and new work ethic....but it's still hard.

You have to be really motivated to work at home..and not just motivated to cover that months bills...but motivated to cover at least 12 months just in case.

WiredGuy · 10-19-2004, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by The Other Steve
I can see the next big Hollywood blockbuster now - The Google Guru Serial Killer

I play it very well. The old hires train the new ones. The old ones go dig a grave and the new one's first task is to put a bullet in the old one's head. Repeat.

WG

jact · 10-19-2004, 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
I don't think it has anything to do just with this biz...but maybe it has to do with so many people working out of their homes with far too many distractions that can pull them this way or that way.

When I was working "9-5" in the mainstream world there were boundaries.

Even my family knew not to bother me when I was working.

I couldn't just decide...hey I'm tired I think I'll take a nap and catch up on work later.

Or I'll go ahead and hit the matinee *during a weekday* and work some extra tonight.

It's okay to do all of those things if you actually get caught up or stay caught up.

But if you don't it can catch up with you really quick.

Even I at times have trouble staying focused. So many things to distract you it's incredible. Message boards...news on t.v...music...etc..etc.

I at times miss those good old days before the internet took over everything. Where I showed up to work, did my job and when I left my job I left my work too.

But now with the net so entrenched in all our lives it's hard to seperate it all.

Work is online, friends are online, and entertainment is online.

I've been doing things to get myself away from the computer and it has given me a new perspective and new work ethic....but it's still hard.

You have to be really motivated to work at home..and not just motivated to cover that months bills...but motivated to cover at least 12 months just in case.

Could you motivate whomever responds to your sales emails to reply to my email of months ago? I'd like some work done.

And I agree with most of the points you've made above, it really is difficult adapting. And for some, who have never worked a real job, it's nearly impossible to develop a work ethic where you've never had one.

baddog · 10-19-2004, 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by jact
I'm not worried about them getting it going on their own, I'm simply worried about the information getting out there, being first isn't always best, it's the guy who's second who has room to improve on an idea.

I think that is what upgrades are for. Don't be afraid to modify something you are doing if you later determine it can be done better/easier.

wdsguy · 10-19-2004, 02:13 PM

shoot you just can't trust anyone in life

KRL · 10-19-2004, 06:17 PM

Finding good people whether they work in-house or outsourced has always, is, and will always be one of the most difficult challenges for any business.

southern1 · 10-19-2004, 06:26 PM

I happen to have a lot more trust in people that work from home, from their computers.

Then I do, people that have to drive to work everyday.

At least webmasters dont waste gas driving.

bnb · 10-19-2004, 06:30 PM

The problem that I see is that everyone here doing the adult biz is here for one or maybe two reasons. They like to look at porn or they couldn't find any other way to make money. They cant hold regular jobs or even pay rent.

I am a content shooter. All exclusive for a few lucky companies. This whole business is geared towards the product aka flakey models. When you deal with the models on a regular basis, you start to see the adult industry in a different light. Most of the models I shoot are looking for a quick buck. They are here today and gone tomorrow. They dont care what happens to them tomorrow. Its the cash today that will get their weed from their buddy. Same thing seems to be happening with some of the companies in this business. Just want to make a quick buck and not care who gets screwed.

I am feeling the same way. A guy on here (wont name any names) offered to run my affiliate program for me. I would pay him a percentage on all affiliate sales. He even got the hosted galleries put together for me. Then... He is gone. Have not heard a word from him in over 10 days. So, I feel your pain.

SomeCreep · 10-19-2004, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by jact
It's always an excuse, always someone elses fault, never their own lazy ways.

Excuses are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

sweetcuties · 10-19-2004, 06:35 PM

I trust maybe 4 people in this biz and I'm been in it for almost 5yrs

fris · 10-19-2004, 06:52 PM

everyone is 2 faced

Rochard · 10-19-2004, 07:26 PM

Pick and choose who you deal with carefully. Get references from you people you do trust.

Outside of Lightspeed Cash there is about ten people I know will follow through on things. I depend on these people on a weekly basis to get me what I need done (One of them is my rep at CCBill - He's never let me down!).

One of the worst thing is when a company comes to us and wants to do business with us, and when we agree they assign us an account rep who is fucking worthless.

Mutt · 10-19-2004, 07:34 PM

depend on nobody in this biz, and it is worse than other businesses tho other businesses haver their fair share of flakes and incompetents.

this biz attracts alot of sketchy people, fucked up people, lazy people, troubled people - every time u decide to do biz or depend on somebody u are going fishing in a pretty shallow gene pool.

KCat · 10-19-2004, 08:10 PM

It's not just this industry. Try finding some reliable serving staff, bartenders or cooks. Running an off-line business is even more frustrating.

10-19-2004, 01:35 PM	#1
jact Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Canada Posts: 9,134	Why can't you depend on anyone in our industry? Seems the growing trend, first it was just designers, then content providers, now it seems account reps, hired contractors and just about everyone you deal with on a daily basis let you down and don't follow through on what they've promised. It's always an excuse, always someone elses fault, never their own lazy ways. Is this industry so chalked full of the lowest common denominator that you absolutely cannot depend on anyone? Do you have to be so talent-rich that you can do everything yourself these days? How the hell do you find people you can depend on? Everyone I've been using lately has come highly recommended by many, many people. Do they have lower standards? Lower expectations? Are they suggesting them because they get a kickback? What? I'm so tired of people letting me down, keeping my company from making advancements because we're always waiting for some kind of life changing catastorphy to happen in whomever's life we're depending on.... Lazy ass porn "webmasters" __________________ Free agent

10-19-2004, 01:39 PM	#2
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	you simply can't trust anyone. the one time you do, you get fucked. stick to employees, keep as much in-house as possible. never let anyone know exactly how your big picture all fits together. __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

10-19-2004, 01:40 PM	#3
jact Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Canada Posts: 9,134	Okay, I shouldn't be that hard on everyone, there's a tiny (and I do mean tiny) handful of people that you can count on to come through, and some that go way beyond what's expected of them. Those people I truly appreciate. You know who you are. The rest of you, smarten up. __________________ Free agent

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10-19-2004, 01:44 PM	#6
murray_dawg Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 415	Heh... Jact that's the way it goes. Remember even if someone comes highly recommended, it could just be because people like him/her. It has nothing to do with work ethic sometimes. Everyone are "bros" in this industry. I think it's too bad.

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sixxxthsense Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,421	It aint just the webmasters, its people in general, people = unreliable, computers = reliable, make computers ur friends and ull succeed!

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10-19-2004, 02:07 PM	#22
eroswebmaster March 1st, 2003 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seat 4 @ Venetian Poker Room Posts: 20,295	I don't think it has anything to do just with this biz...but maybe it has to do with so many people working out of their homes with far too many distractions that can pull them this way or that way. When I was working "9-5" in the mainstream world there were boundaries. Even my family knew not to bother me when I was working. I couldn't just decide...hey I'm tired I think I'll take a nap and catch up on work later. Or I'll go ahead and hit the matinee during a weekday and work some extra tonight. It's okay to do all of those things if you actually get caught up or stay caught up. But if you don't it can catch up with you really quick. Even I at times have trouble staying focused. So many things to distract you it's incredible. Message boards...news on t.v...music...etc..etc. I at times miss those good old days before the internet took over everything. Where I showed up to work, did my job and when I left my job I left my work too. But now with the net so entrenched in all our lives it's hard to seperate it all. Work is online, friends are online, and entertainment is online. I've been doing things to get myself away from the computer and it has given me a new perspective and new work ethic....but it's still hard. You have to be really motivated to work at home..and not just motivated to cover that months bills...but motivated to cover at least 12 months just in case. __________________ For rent - ICQ 127-027-910 Click here for more details

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10-19-2004, 06:26 PM	#28
southern1 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 45	I happen to have a lot more trust in people that work from home, from their computers. Then I do, people that have to drive to work everyday. At least webmasters dont waste gas driving.

10-19-2004, 06:30 PM	#29
bnb Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: PORN VALLEY USA Posts: 44	The problem that I see is that everyone here doing the adult biz is here for one or maybe two reasons. They like to look at porn or they couldn't find any other way to make money. They cant hold regular jobs or even pay rent. I am a content shooter. All exclusive for a few lucky companies. This whole business is geared towards the product aka flakey models. When you deal with the models on a regular basis, you start to see the adult industry in a different light. Most of the models I shoot are looking for a quick buck. They are here today and gone tomorrow. They dont care what happens to them tomorrow. Its the cash today that will get their weed from their buddy. Same thing seems to be happening with some of the companies in this business. Just want to make a quick buck and not care who gets screwed. I am feeling the same way. A guy on here (wont name any names) offered to run my affiliate program for me. I would pay him a percentage on all affiliate sales. He even got the hosted galleries put together for me. Then... He is gone. Have not heard a word from him in over 10 days. So, I feel your pain. __________________ BNB Guy http://www.brandnewbabes.com/

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