garfield81

wondering if revshare partners shave too ?

MrJackMeHoff

I dunno does it snow in Alaska?

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KRosh

this is such bullshit...

what incentive does a revshare sponsor have to shave?
You get paid when they get paid.

People that talk WITH NO information what so ever just crack me up.

ztik

Greed

There have been revshare sponsors exposed on this forum that shave

Asthma

i dont think there a need to. programs that pay $55 on a $2.95 trial join thats the ones i stay a way from.

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I just discovered recently that CCbill allows webmasters to silently cap rebills so that if you're on a recurring sponsor they can cap the rebills, cut off all your longterm recurring members and then put it back the way it was without you being any the wiser.

So keep an eye on your program details...

EscortBiz

and affiliates can see that so its not "silently"

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Nasty

You think a sponsor who shaves a 35.00 join would not shave a 17.50 split, whats the fucking difference?

The motiivatiion is identical

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Paparazzi

ask perfection cash...

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PerfectionGirls

Thats true. You cant make one change with in the ccbill affiliate admin without an email being sent to each affilaite also. YOU cant change payouts, rebills, anything without the affiliate getting an email.

As for the "ask perfectioncash" comment in this thread. We NEVER changed people rebills.... Ever! Our issue occured when ccbill went from their old system to system 5. In the old system you had to type out the number of rebills you wanted affilaites to receive and we had 99. Then they moved to the new system last Nov, we didnt update our admin and it was defaulted to 0 since we had not made a selection within the new system. Several sponsors had the same exact issue. Some caught it and corrected it, we missed it resulting in rebills being missed for two months. However, once the rebill button was checked on again to indefinate.. if surfer was still rebilling, ccbill resumed payments to the affiliate. So yeah, we did loose about 2 months of rebills to affiliates and we also paid back every dime. The only fault was that we didnt catch it. It wasnt ccbills fualt nore was it all ours, but its my program so I took the blame and over time... made it right.

Thats what went done... I was as shocked as the next guy when I found out while I was in Vegas last year. Those that were there with me know this to be fact.


Anyways, yeah it can happen, but you will get an automatic email on it if something does change. As for shaving clicks... unless ccbill or the other third party processors are shaving clicks then a revshare program can not shave clicks. For the most part, you use the processors stats. If not, they are spidering ccbill stats to get their numbers.

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I don't know why, but I fucking love your posts every now aand then.

KRosh

ok .. lete's think about this ..

35.00 join?? what do you mean by that ?? they charge $35 or that's what they pay you?? is it on a trial such as $2.95 ?? or is it a full join with no trial??
They are in NO WAY identical.. Like I said before .. The sponsor gets PAID then PAYS you.. on a trial.. the chances are there that the surfer does not rebill..

that's the FUCKING difference and if you knew anything about this business I would not have to sit there and explainthis to you.

KRosh

Mis-informed buddy... read what perfectionGirls says.... You can NOT make any changes in CCbill without the webmasters being notified.

PerfectionGirls

Glad you enjoy. Who the hell are you anyways/



Dont you sell traffic?

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Crazy_Canuck

There are some revshare companies that give you access to your ccbill Ibill stats. others use there own or just tell you that ccbill says you got a signup. If you don't have access to ccbill or it's there own software of course they can shave. You have no way of knowing.

KRosh think about it man, how can you know if you don't have access to a 3rd party to verify, you can never be sure

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Nasty

Why not get anal about this, I was making a VERY simple point, if a sponsor wants to rip you off and is willing to shave, he is not going to give a flying fuck about revshare or pps.

btw, there were a few sponsors caught shaving and screen caps were posted, they were shaving revshare partners just as much if not more than the pps affiliates.

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bigdog

it's even easier for revshare sponsors to shave. You see good signup ratios for all your signups , but they have it setup where a certain percentage of signups that rebill over 3 months don't get credited anymore.It much easier now a days since many revshare sponsors have their own stats

Tam

This is exactly right, and that's why when I had my inhouse stats system, I made it where you can signup, and have access to paycom and ccbill. It's another step at signing up with my system, but I think in the end, everyone will be happy because I make it where they can cross compare with the 3rd party as well..... just that my stats are more detailed as in where traffic is coming from and so on.

I know I am a sponsor...... and I probably shouldn't be posting in this. BUT I have worked for sponsors, and YES a couple of them were BAD BAD..... but they also showed me how to set MY system up where affiliates can feel more secure. Without that 3rd party access, a sponsor can DAMN well shave and yes even on Revshare, I watched it happen with my own eyes, so this is why my system is how it is.....

Please don't think I am just spamming, I am not, I am just telling you it CAN and it does happen..... sad to say, but it does, everyday.

PerfectionGirls

All the more reason to use revshare sponsors that either let you view the actual ccbill or paycom stats or ones that offer ccbill stats as there only option.

And unlike Tam... hehehe I will spam a bit. We have always and will always only use ccbill stats for our affiliate reporting.

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KRosh

I will agree the posibilities of shaving are there... but I am asking what is the incentive??

why would you want to piss off a webmaster that is sending you traffic on a revshare basis ??

I am sure there have been sponsors in the past that did this .. and they are FUCKING DUMB for doing it.. I don't believe there are many sponsors left that can afford to, or are willing to do this.

KRL

If webmasters were to ever find out how much money they've been fucked out of over the past 8 years, there'd be a lot of program owners fleeing to South America.

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Tam

I can put you inside the mind of one of these kind of people right here and now. You see? What YOU aren't seeing and what no one else is thinking? These people that shave? They don't care whether it is PPS, or Revshare, Pay Per Click or whatever it is, they are going to do it. And they don't realize that you are going to know this..... they think you are just going to believe the stats as they read and that's that.

What's the incentive? GREED, plain and simple, that greed thing. They don't think about it pissing you off because they don't think you are going to find out about it...... so therefore why would you be getting pissed off about something you aren't aware of? And they have a million ways to tell you and show you that they aren't shaving. THEY don't see that when they turn this off and your signups go back up that this is screaming that they shave, they see it as "well, your signups are getting better so how can I be shaving you".

You are right, with the level of affiliates that are getting wise to this, the shaving isn't near as bad as it was there for awhile..... affiliates aren't dumb, but some of these people insist that you are...... therefore they don't see you as being smart enough to pick up on something like this. This one in particular that I am referring to, he never ever even gave thought to you catching this.... even though there are so many affiliates that submit each and everyday and they know what their ratios should be in general... down to just a f ew signups plus or minus...... but the ones that do the shaving? They don't think about this at all. They just giggle and laugh and call you a bunch of idiots.

THEY is b eing used very loosely here, I don't by any means have this long list or anything, I just don't really feel the need to call names, most know who I am referring to here.

THAT, my friends, is the thought processes of a shaver.

Crazy_Canuck

Tam,
You're right except for one thing
They know we may figure it out but they also know what will we do? Nothing. Bitch and complain
and it'll end there. we can't prove a thing


and it looks like I'll have another post in a few days saying how I'm getting fucked by somebody in France. So even when their stats say this is what they owe you, you may still not get paid.

Fuckin Crooks

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Tam

Yup, I intentionally left that part off, because affiliates will stay with them "because even shaved, I am making decent money".... therefore feeding the shaving and making it worse. But yes, you have a point and I have been told by a few affiliates that "what can ya do? I am still making more money than I would at a real job".......... so yes, you are right on that. I intentionally left that par of it off. Believe it or not there are STILL people promoting this other place, I see galleries coming thru my tgp all the time...... but all we can do is point them to it, show them and hope they do something....... if not, then there's not much we can do about it.

BUT, then when it gets worse and you stop getting paid all together, THEN watch them start to scream and complain........ BUT, at the same time, they'll still leave those banners up "because they said I wouldn't get paid if I pull my links"...... have heard this one a few times myself........ more bullying and controlling.

Crazy_Canuck

I know what you mean, Tam.
That's exactly how I'm feeling. I still want to get paid so I'm not screaming out their name at this point. It's not alot $250.00

but it's mine and I want it. whois the domain and it's been around for a year, the website says we can pay by wire, fethard, webmoney, epassport, paypal. so I asked for epass and apparently that's a problem, so I said ok I can take paypal and I get "sure give us a couple of days" nothing then "if you give us your bank info we'll do it right away." and I'm thinking You can't do anything else you said you could and you want me to give you my bank info. LOL not a chance

even if they pay I'll never promote them again

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