sattelite internet system for $10,000?.. expected speed? - GoFuckYourself.com

strats · 10-17-2004, 10:31 PM

I dont know which systems there are out there. Does anyone have solid info on what type of speeds a high end system can attain? as well as latency

Jace · 10-17-2004, 10:35 PM

how fast are you talking about?

you can get up to 2mbps for pretty cheap

detoxed · 10-17-2004, 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
how fast are you talking about?

you can get up to 2mbps for pretty cheap

For $10,000 it better be a damn good system

beemk · 10-17-2004, 10:37 PM

dont sattelites have a 9 second delay? i dont see how that would work

bret · 10-17-2004, 10:37 PM

the signal only has to travel like 20,000 miles. you do the math. i dont care what kind of system you have, 20k miles is going to add up to some big latency times.

psyko514 · 10-17-2004, 10:38 PM

satellite internet is only worth it if you don't have DSL/cable access cause you live in a remote area.

i've heard the speeds are nothing special. i've never heard of the price being that high though.

strats · 10-17-2004, 10:39 PM

i had no idea, was curious

Azathoth · 10-17-2004, 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by beemk
dont sattelites have a 9 second delay? i dont see how that would work

Try around 400ms which is still pretty shit compared to other technologies.

- Az

Marcus Aurelius · 10-17-2004, 10:43 PM

http://www.datastorm.com/

400kbps Downstream / 90kbps Upstream

Alky · 10-17-2004, 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by bret
the signal only has to travel like 20,000 miles. you do the math. i dont care what kind of system you have, 20k miles is going to add up to some big latency times.

so your saying live tv from the other side of the world isnt live? im talking more then a few seconds...

warlock5 · 10-17-2004, 10:47 PM

Lets put it this way, your not going to be playing online games.

detoxed · 10-17-2004, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by Alky
so your saying live tv from the other side of the world isnt live? im talking more then a few seconds...

it was filmed years ago

strats · 10-17-2004, 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by warlock5
Lets put it this way, your not going to be playing online games.

400ms?

thats reasonable

that is response time no?

Steen2 · 10-17-2004, 10:51 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
it was filmed years ago

Fix your sig.

detoxed · 10-17-2004, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by Steen2
Fix your sig.

well how about telling me what is wrong with it dipshit

xclusive · 10-17-2004, 10:55 PM

where do you live? Maybe there is broadband you don't know about because satelite would be my last option as far as high speed goes...

bret · 10-17-2004, 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by Alky
so your saying live tv from the other side of the world isnt live? im talking more then a few seconds...

what the hell are you talking about?

abadfish · 10-17-2004, 10:57 PM

I've used the direcway system and have mixed reactions...

We cannot get DSL/Cable out here so it was the only choice. The dish was $600 or so and is also a tv receving dish... The systems used to be dial up for outgoing but now tranmit two way. Speeds for normal browsing are still lame but file downloads are speedy. Clouds and bad weather can slow or stop internet availablity. Unfortunately dial up can be more stable.

My advice, never move to a house or area that you cannot get high speed cable or dsl. ever!

Magg · 10-17-2004, 10:58 PM

stats -

why not show us what $10k system ur talking about

SmokeyTheBear · 10-17-2004, 11:01 PM

http://www.starband.com/special/mobile.asp

easy solution

6k for the best equipment

170/month fee top speed

strats · 10-17-2004, 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
http://www.starband.com/special/mobile.asp

easy solution

6k for the best equipment

170/month fee top speed

delivery~

SmokeyTheBear · 10-17-2004, 11:13 PM

net2dish.com has a good deal too
This is the top of the line system total including instalation in u.s.a.

but not mobile

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arg · 10-17-2004, 11:27 PM

Mobile self-aiming dishes, like you mount on a car roof, run around $5000, and I think only two models are available. A standard fixed mount unit is usually more like $300-$1000 for a 0.6 to 1.2 meter dish.

I don't know what you're looking at that's $10k, but with these cheaper models, you can do good casual surfing, but it's not like a T1 or even a good cable modem. You've got higher latency, much slower uplink speed, and DirecWay (the internet version of DirecTV) is known for throttling your downlink speed if they think you download too much (their criteria aren't any clearer than that). They're good for emergency use or casual surfing, but for reliable, high speed connections on a daily basis, I think you need to look at commercial services, which cost a lot more. Maybe that's what you're talking about for $10k?

arg · 10-17-2004, 11:36 PM

Btw, one of the self-aiming dishes takes around 7 minutes to lock on to the sat. Not sure how long for their competitor, but it's not real-time while you drive, you gotta park and wait for a connection. You can get real-time gimballed dishes, but nowhere near $10k...big cruise ships are just starting to get them.

detoxed · 10-17-2004, 11:37 PM

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Originally posted by arg
Btw, one of the self-aiming dishes takes around 7 minutes to lock on to the sat. Not sure how long for their competitor, but it's not real-time while you drive, you gotta park and wait for a connection. You can get real-time gimballed dishes, but nowhere near $10k...big cruise ships are just starting to get them.

And airplanes have them how?

Azathoth · 10-17-2004, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by strats
400ms?

thats reasonable

that is response time no?

400ms latency (ping) is pretty shit for most games. Some games you won't notice as much as others but it's pretty crap.

- Az

Marcus Aurelius · 10-17-2004, 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by Azathoth
400ms latency (ping) is pretty shit for most games. Some games you won't notice as much as others but it's pretty crap.

- Az

Most online game servers will boot you with a ping like that.

Due · 10-18-2004, 12:09 AM

Check with the local cell phone carriers if they have FWA.
I can't get DSL, but I am getting FWA today.
If you are from USA, there should be some companies experimenting with Wimax (no it's not a penis enlargement pill)
It should have a radious of 50 kilometer wireless and speeds up to around 70 megabit.

detoxed · 10-18-2004, 12:10 AM

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Originally posted by Due
Check with the local cell phone carriers if they have FWA.
I can't get DSL, but I am getting FWA today.
If you are from USA, there should be some companies experimenting with Wimax (no it's not a penis enlargement pill)
It should have a radious of 50 kilometer wireless and speeds up to around 70 megabit.

I'm sure FWA doesnt stand for anything

Due · 10-18-2004, 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by detoxed
I'm sure FWA doesnt stand for anything

FWA = Fixed Wireless Access
Basicly you get a little antenna on your house pointing on the transmitter, range is 5 km+, not sure what the max range is, but I live 5 KM from the transmitter and they said it shouldn't be a problem.

Vitasoy · 10-18-2004, 12:42 AM

For 10g's it better be super uber duber damn fast.

arg · 10-18-2004, 12:45 AM

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Originally posted by detoxed
And airplanes have them how?

They can do the same thing, but I don't think any commercial airplanes use dishes for broadband yet. Inflight broadband outside the US typically use phased array antennas to communicate by satellite. They cost around $500,000 for a 5 Mbps downlink and slow uplink which doesn't work at some altitudes. Adding dishes to planes can be done, but they take space and are heavy, which costs airlines money every flight. In the US, I'm not aware of commercial aircraft offering broadband internet, but the FCC & FAA seem to be favoring the use of air-to-ground broadband rather than air-to-satellite. Takes more ground-based infrastructure, obviously, but less in the airplanes and no need for satellites.

detoxed · 10-18-2004, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Due
FWA = Fixed Wireless Access
Basicly you get a little antenna on your house pointing on the transmitter, range is 5 km+, not sure what the max range is, but I live 5 KM from the transmitter and they said it shouldn't be a problem.

How fucking much does that cost? How fast is it?

UniqueMovies · 10-18-2004, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Due
FWA = Fixed Wireless Access
Basicly you get a little antenna on your house pointing on the transmitter, range is 5 km+, not sure what the max range is, but I live 5 KM from the transmitter and they said it shouldn't be a problem.

they call that wireless internet in my area.

http://www.storm.ca/Wireless.html

Project-Shadow · 10-18-2004, 01:14 AM

http://www.storm.ca/Wireless.html

Correct me if i'm wrong but according to that, if you pay $2200/mo you get a 10mbit connection, but you are limited to 100gb/mo then charged $10 per gb?

Anyone see highway robbery in that or is it just me.

pornguy · 10-18-2004, 01:14 AM

We have DirecPC from Direcway, and used to use it at our ranch, because we could not get a high speed connection. We also had a dial up account, and it usually ran faster. Up and down.

Now you may want to look around and see if you can find a company that does wireless. It uses a radio wave and works on FM band. It has to have line of sight. I have it here and it is VERY fast. I am usually pushing the speeds of a T3 on speed tests.

detoxed · 10-18-2004, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornguy
We have DirecPC from Direcway, and used to use it at our ranch, because we could not get a high speed connection. We also had a dial up account, and it usually ran faster. Up and down.

Now you may want to look around and see if you can find a company that does wireless. It uses a radio wave and works on FM band. It has to have line of sight. I have it here and it is VERY fast. I am usually pushing the speeds of a T3 on speed tests.

WTF... how the hell would I find one of these things

Due · 10-18-2004, 01:41 AM

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Originally posted by detoxed
WTF... how the hell would I find one of these things

That's FWA
It is the company that offers FWA that sets the speed limit. Here in DK you can get from 512 kbit to 8 mbit on their standard lines, and cost from $50 / month to $250 / month.
In DK it is offered with unlimitted traffic, some companies choose to milk their customers dry and charge per GB transfered also.

SGS · 10-18-2004, 02:35 AM

We have two years experience with Satellite DSL in both northern and southern Europe. We tried several systems from BT to high-end solutions designed for use on boats, motor homes, etc (last one was about £7000) and our advice would be to move to a proper DSL area.

When its fast satellite is very fast? But:

Speed goes up and down by the time of day depending upon how many people are using it and changes in the weather. Bandwidth is throttled. A *lot* of mainstream businesses are now using satellite systems due to aggressive marketing and government grants and as each new business signs up the speed and bandwidth goes down. Latency is getting a lot better on the newer high end systems but still sucks *very* badly even compared to dial-up. Even on a two-way (up and down) system uploading anything more than a couple of very small pics is an absolute nightmare. Upload with satellite systems sends data in packets so your upload speed is usually only half the already very poor advertised speed.

We looked at wireless DSL as well and this looks like it will be an interesting solution in the future. At the moment though all of the wireless solutions that we looked at here were charging exorbitant rates based on bandwidth used and the systems were all very insecure.

After two years of utter frustration and endless problems on a daily basis with *all* systems we moved back to a DSL area and it was the best move we ever made.

When you speak on the phone to the actual tech guys behind each system as opposed to the salesman or the marketing crap (everyone on satellite systems get on first name terms with the tech guys *very* quickly) it becomes clear that satellite DSL is actually not a substitute for a lack of a hardwire DSL service but really a substitute for a lack of a dial-up service.

Satellite will never work as the better the technology gets the more it is over-sold. If you have to get satellite make sure that you keep dial-up too as you will soon find that the dial-up is faster, more reliable and a far more pleasurable experience.

strats · 10-18-2004, 03:07 AM

good info.

mardigras · 10-18-2004, 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by Alky
so your saying live tv from the other side of the world isnt live? im talking more then a few seconds...

I have a C-band big dish. The small dish and cable companies get their signals from a big dish (first generation signal), compress them, send them back up to their satellite transponders then they come back down to you (2nd generation signal). I have had my big dish and a small dish or local channel on the same program and there is always a delay between first and 2nd generation signal. It's only a few seconds on some channels but on most it's generally 5-10 seconds delay. So to answer your question, if you are watching a live show on a small dish or cable you are actually watching probably 5-7 seconds ago.

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SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	http://www.starband.com/special/mobile.asp easy solution 6k for the best equipment 170/month fee top speed __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

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Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	how fast are you talking about? you can get up to 2mbps for pretty cheap

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bret Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: detroit Posts: 766	the signal only has to travel like 20,000 miles. you do the math. i dont care what kind of system you have, 20k miles is going to add up to some big latency times.

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strats Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,805	i had no idea, was curious

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Marcus Aurelius No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14,809	http://www.datastorm.com/ 400kbps Downstream / 90kbps Upstream

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warlock5 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Uranus Posts: 2,808	Lets put it this way, your not going to be playing online games.

10-17-2004, 10:57 PM	#18
abadfish Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA Posts: 1,482	I've used the direcway system and have mixed reactions... We cannot get DSL/Cable out here so it was the only choice. The dish was $600 or so and is also a tv receving dish... The systems used to be dial up for outgoing but now tranmit two way. Speeds for normal browsing are still lame but file downloads are speedy. Clouds and bad weather can slow or stop internet availablity. Unfortunately dial up can be more stable. My advice, never move to a house or area that you cannot get high speed cable or dsl. ever!

10-17-2004, 10:58 PM	#19
Magg Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: ICQ: 132497047 Posts: 4,467	stats - why not show us what $10k system ur talking about

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SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	net2dish.com has a good deal too This is the top of the line system total including instalation in u.s.a. but not mobile Current Configuration Information One Time Charges Price: Product: D4B DW4020 Business Edition Hardware /w .98 Meter Dish $1,299.00* Router: DRL Linksys 4-Port Mini Router/Firewall/Switch $139.00* Installation: DINC Commerical Installation -Standard $400.00 Activation: Activation Charges FREE! One-time charges subtotal: $1,838.00 Periodic Billing Monthly unless otherwise noted in the description Service Level: DS4 Business (up to 1.2 Mbps down/100 Kbps up) $129.99 StaticIP: DAX 5 Static Public IP Addresses $30.00 Periodic billing subtotal $159.99 Total (without taxes) to place your order $1,997.99 * denotes taxable in VA,CT, and OH **setup charge __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

10-17-2004, 11:27 PM	#23
arg Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,164	Mobile self-aiming dishes, like you mount on a car roof, run around $5000, and I think only two models are available. A standard fixed mount unit is usually more like $300-$1000 for a 0.6 to 1.2 meter dish. I don't know what you're looking at that's $10k, but with these cheaper models, you can do good casual surfing, but it's not like a T1 or even a good cable modem. You've got higher latency, much slower uplink speed, and DirecWay (the internet version of DirecTV) is known for throttling your downlink speed if they think you download too much (their criteria aren't any clearer than that). They're good for emergency use or casual surfing, but for reliable, high speed connections on a daily basis, I think you need to look at commercial services, which cost a lot more. Maybe that's what you're talking about for $10k?

10-17-2004, 11:36 PM	#24
arg Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,164	Btw, one of the self-aiming dishes takes around 7 minutes to lock on to the sat. Not sure how long for their competitor, but it's not real-time while you drive, you gotta park and wait for a connection. You can get real-time gimballed dishes, but nowhere near $10k...big cruise ships are just starting to get them.

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Project-Shadow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,340	http://www.storm.ca/Wireless.html Correct me if i'm wrong but according to that, if you pay $2200/mo you get a 10mbit connection, but you are limited to 100gb/mo then charged $10 per gb? Anyone see highway robbery in that or is it just me.

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SGS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mallorca - Nottingham Posts: 5,176	We have two years experience with Satellite DSL in both northern and southern Europe. We tried several systems from BT to high-end solutions designed for use on boats, motor homes, etc (last one was about £7000) and our advice would be to move to a proper DSL area. When its fast satellite is very fast? But: Speed goes up and down by the time of day depending upon how many people are using it and changes in the weather. Bandwidth is throttled. A lot of mainstream businesses are now using satellite systems due to aggressive marketing and government grants and as each new business signs up the speed and bandwidth goes down. Latency is getting a lot better on the newer high end systems but still sucks very badly even compared to dial-up. Even on a two-way (up and down) system uploading anything more than a couple of very small pics is an absolute nightmare. Upload with satellite systems sends data in packets so your upload speed is usually only half the already very poor advertised speed. We looked at wireless DSL as well and this looks like it will be an interesting solution in the future. At the moment though all of the wireless solutions that we looked at here were charging exorbitant rates based on bandwidth used and the systems were all very insecure. After two years of utter frustration and endless problems on a daily basis with all systems we moved back to a DSL area and it was the best move we ever made. When you speak on the phone to the actual tech guys behind each system as opposed to the salesman or the marketing crap (everyone on satellite systems get on first name terms with the tech guys very quickly) it becomes clear that satellite DSL is actually not a substitute for a lack of a hardwire DSL service but really a substitute for a lack of a dial-up service. Satellite will never work as the better the technology gets the more it is over-sold. If you have to get satellite make sure that you keep dial-up too as you will soon find that the dial-up is faster, more reliable and a far more pleasurable experience. __________________ See sig...

10-18-2004, 03:07 AM	#40
strats Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,805	good info.