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Paul Waters · 10-17-2004, 08:01 AM

kinda cool that it finished with Canadian Neil Young singing Rockin' in the Free World.

May Bush loose on Nov 2, and Freedom be restored to America!

DX · 10-17-2004, 08:11 AM

question time....

Can you name a single freedom that America has lost under George W. Bush?

malakajoe · 10-17-2004, 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by DX
question time....

Can you name a single freedom that America has lost under George W. Bush?

The Patriot Act.

DX · 10-17-2004, 08:24 AM

That is not an answer to the question.

But, If you'd you'd like to narrow the question...

Can you name a single freedom that America has lost under The Patriot Act?

Vitasoy · 10-17-2004, 08:26 AM

Have you also watched, "911 The Road To Tyranny infowars" yet? I thought it was better. It has a lot of scenes where cops were abusing their power.

malakajoe · 10-17-2004, 08:26 AM

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Originally posted by DX
That is not an answer to the question.

But, If you'd you'd like to narrow the question...

Can you name a single freedom that America has lost under The Patriot Act?

Well, if you think allowing the government permission to monitor any citizen they would like without court order a freedom lost...then there you go.

directfiesta · 10-17-2004, 08:30 AM

Search houses without a court order and without notifying ( even after the fact ) the occupants of that house ...

If some liberties were not LOST, they were seriously amputated, just like about 6000 US soldiers.

DX · 10-17-2004, 08:32 AM

I'm not looking for a debate here or anything, I'm looking for the general view of what right/freedoms people in and outside of America think America has lost... specifically.

directfiesta · 10-17-2004, 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by DX
I'm not looking for a debate here or anything, I'm looking for the general view of what right/freedoms people in and outside of America think America has lost... specifically.

Exit garden side

DX · 10-17-2004, 08:44 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
Exit garden side

Does that mean you have no specific answer?

Probono · 10-17-2004, 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by DX
I'm not looking for a debate here or anything, I'm looking for the general view of what right/freedoms people in and outside of America think America has lost... specifically.

How about your right to privacy. The feds can go into a library and demand a list of what books you read now!

Paul Waters · 10-17-2004, 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by DX
I'm not looking for a debate here or anything, I'm looking for the general view of what right/freedoms people in and outside of America think America has lost... specifically.

Under the Patriots Act Americans can be incarcerated without being charged with a crime, without access to a lawyer, without access to family.

The Supreme Court is addressing this as the cases reach them. But it takes time.

Americans were held at Guantanamo Bay as "Illegal Combatants" WTF newspeak is that????

God seems to have forgotten America.

PenisFace · 10-17-2004, 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by DX
Does that mean you have no specific answer?

What about being held without trial if you're a suspected terrorist?

DX · 10-17-2004, 08:51 AM

Good, real answers.

That's what I'm looking for.

Alex From San Diego · 10-17-2004, 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by malakajoe
The Patriot Act.

USA Patriot Act was passed nearly unanimously by the Senate 98-1, and 357?66 in the House, with the support of members from across the political spectrum.

Do some research before you speak.

malakajoe · 10-17-2004, 08:56 AM

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Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
USA Patriot Act was passed nearly unanimously by the Senate 98-1, and 357?66 in the House, with the support of members from across the political spectrum.

Do some research before you speak.

I understand this. I am not Pro-Kerry..I am anti-Bush and anti-Current Political System. Kerry may be no better than Bush...but I believe in if someone else is doing a bad job, then try someone else...don't just keep with the person because you feel no one is better. If Kerry sucks, in 4 years get rid of him.

I think many reforms on how our political system works need to be made.

directfiesta · 10-17-2004, 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by DX
Does that mean you have no specific answer?

No, it means YOU left ... I answered above very clearly ....

" You do not want a debate" means " I have nothing to answer to your statment"....

Giorgio_Xo · 10-17-2004, 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by DX
question time....

Can you name a single freedom that America has lost under George W. Bush?

The right to an attorney when arrested under national security.
The right to a speedy trial when arrested under national security.
The right to a judge issued search warrant.
Habeus Corpus.
The right to privacy. The government can require companies to hand over your personal information without a warrant.
The right to protest without fear of arrest (NYC Republican National Convention protestors were arrested without cause as judged by the NY Supreme Court).

I can go on and on.

Drake · 10-17-2004, 09:13 AM

Capital punishment is flawed. We've sent innocent people to die in electric chairs and locked some away for decades, even after trials, laywers, and judges have heard their cases.

Imagine what could happen if people are allowed to be held and charged, without lawyers, judges, or trials. A lof of people could go missing for no good reason, and it's easy to say, hey they're only going to target terrorists, until it happens to you or one of your family members.

I don't know if we've lost "a" freedom per se but it's only now that I've read of instances of people being held without access to lawyers or anybody for that matter. Pretty scary.

10-17-2004, 08:01 AM	#1
Paul Waters Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 4,402	I Just Watched Farenheit 911 ...devastating... and kinda cool that it finished with Canadian Neil Young singing Rockin' in the Free World. May Bush loose on Nov 2, and Freedom be restored to America! __________________ Paul

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Vitasoy GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 58,202	Have you also watched, "911 The Road To Tyranny infowars" yet? I thought it was better. It has a lot of scenes where cops were abusing their power. __________________ [email protected]

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directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,676	Search houses without a court order and without notifying ( even after the fact ) the occupants of that house ... If some liberties were not LOST, they were seriously amputated, just like about 6000 US soldiers. __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

10-17-2004, 08:11 AM	#2
DX Feed me coffee. Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Massafuckingchusetts Posts: 1,128	question time.... Can you name a single freedom that America has lost under George W. Bush?

10-17-2004, 08:24 AM	#4
DX Feed me coffee. Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Massafuckingchusetts Posts: 1,128	That is not an answer to the question. But, If you'd you'd like to narrow the question... Can you name a single freedom that America has lost under The Patriot Act?

10-17-2004, 08:32 AM	#8
DX Feed me coffee. Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Massafuckingchusetts Posts: 1,128	I'm not looking for a debate here or anything, I'm looking for the general view of what right/freedoms people in and outside of America think America has lost... specifically.

10-17-2004, 08:51 AM	#14
DX Feed me coffee. Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Massafuckingchusetts Posts: 1,128	Good, real answers. That's what I'm looking for.

10-17-2004, 09:13 AM	#19
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Capital punishment is flawed. We've sent innocent people to die in electric chairs and locked some away for decades, even after trials, laywers, and judges have heard their cases. Imagine what could happen if people are allowed to be held and charged, without lawyers, judges, or trials. A lof of people could go missing for no good reason, and it's easy to say, hey they're only going to target terrorists, until it happens to you or one of your family members. I don't know if we've lost "a" freedom per se but it's only now that I've read of instances of people being held without access to lawyers or anybody for that matter. Pretty scary.