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Donny · 10-16-2004, 08:16 AM

If there was really a being that cared about each and every one of us so much that he knew the number of hairs on our heads and wanted to have a personal relationship with each of us (as the Bible claims) why in the world would he sit by and let very young children be raped, beaten, killed, and made to suffer many other horrible atrocities?

beergood · 10-16-2004, 08:20 AM

because the bible is wrong. I'm sure its been altered, mis-translated, fucked up over the years enough to barely resemble what it started out as.

Abyss_Vee · 10-16-2004, 08:22 AM

everyone is their own god

beergood · 10-16-2004, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by Abyss_Vee
everyone is their own god

works for me

Kevin2 · 10-16-2004, 08:29 AM

He's a God not a policeman

kenny · 10-16-2004, 08:35 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
If there was really a being that cared about each and every one of us so much that he knew the number of hairs on our heads and wanted to have a personal relationship with each of us (as the Bible claims) why in the world would he sit by and let very young children be raped, beaten, killed, and made to suffer many other horrible atrocities?

The bad stuff happens when he is on a cigarette break

ninavain · 10-16-2004, 08:36 AM

because we've been given choices and a soul...those that do such deeds will face the punishment...There is evil so we know what is good. Life is a game and you have the choice of what to do with it...when things like this happen, you question God's existance, you lack faith, which will also bring darkness into your life. Every evil deed can cause a catalast to another person's soul to better themselves and do good to other people, so that evil deed never happens again..if you choose to ignore another's cry for help, then you are as bad as the person commiting the evil deed.

It's easy to blame...but why not try to better yourself and help.

These webmasters in porn are blessed with great wealth and jobs they can do from home, but most become overweight or can not maintain a good relationship...or feel something missing..even though they can buy anything they like..sometimes you have to help others that need it the most. Then that sets your soul free..

Donny · 10-16-2004, 08:40 AM

I hear a bunch of babble in this thread. The point is this: the Bible claims that God knows each of us so well that he knows the exact number of hairs on our head. It also portrays him as a loving father that cares about each of us and wants a personal relationship with us.

I don't know about you, but I could never let an innocent child of MINE be abused.

Sorry, folks, but if there is no all-knowing, almighty being looking down on you.

Ordo · 10-16-2004, 08:41 AM

It's a part of Free will.
In nature, things happen and the suffering of one will have an effect on another.

As mortal humans with only so much ability, one can only speculate as to the master plan never truly having any understanding of it.

A suffering child of today could result in a web that ultimately saves the lives of millions tomorrow. But we will never know, as is the way it's intended thus promoting faith in that which we may not fully understand.

galleryseek · 10-16-2004, 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by ninavain
Then that sets your soul free..

:: breaks down crying ::
allow me to put some sarah mclachlan on

Kevin2 · 10-16-2004, 08:44 AM

Well God is no angel as he killed woman and children too.

GE 6:11-17, 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the greatest mass murderer in history.

EX 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt.

The bible is full of these kinds of atrocities.

Dirty F · 10-16-2004, 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by ninavain
[B]because we've been given choices and a soul...those that do such deeds will face the punishment...There is evil so we know what is good. Life is a game and you have the choice of what to do with it...when things like this happen, you question God's existance, you lack faith, which will also bring darkness into your life. Every evil deed can cause a catalast to another person's soul to better themselves and do good to other people, so that evil deed never happens again..if you choose to ignore another's cry for help, then you are as bad as the person commiting the evil deed.

It's easy to blame...but why not try to better yourself and help.

These webmasters in porn are blessed with great wealth and jobs they can do from home, but most become overweight or can not maintain a good relationship...or feel something missing..even though they can buy anything they like..sometimes you have to help others that need it the most. Then that sets you

If noone told you this then would you think the same? I asked this to people before and get the weirdest answers. Would you believe in God if you were born on a deserted island with noone around to polute your mind.

Donny · 10-16-2004, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by Ordo
It's a part of Free will.
In nature, things happen and the suffering of one will have an effect on another.

As mortal humans with only so much ability, one can only speculate as to the master plan never truly having any understanding of it.

A suffering child of today could result in a web that ultimately saves the lives of millions tomorrow. But we will never know, as is the way it's intended thus promoting faith in that which we may not fully understand.

"Faith" is a crock of shit too. Let's assume that I believe in God for a moment:

God is NOT a God of faith. And faith is the cornerstone of Christian belief. How can I say that God isn't a God of faith? By looking at his creation. All of existence is very Scientific. We can predict, quite accurately, the exact location of the earth in relationship to the sun 10 years from now. We have doctors and scientists that make incredible breakthroughs on an almost daily basis. We're learning SO much... yet NONE of it is based on faith... it is based on science. If there is a God, he is a God of FACTS and FIGURES. Men, not God, made up both religion in general, and the Bible in particular. For some men, it was a way to control people and instill fear. For others, they honestly believed what they'd written. But doesn't it strike you as a little odd that a book that claims that the Jews are God's chosen people happens to be written by (drum roll please) Jews? And where is the proof of the truth of the Bible? There IS none.

Kevin2 · 10-16-2004, 08:52 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
"Men, not God, made up both religion in general, and the Bible in particular. For some men, it was a way to control people and instill fear. For others, they honestly believed what they'd written. But doesn't it strike you as a little odd that a book that claims that the Jews are God's chosen people happens to be written by (drum roll please) Jews? And where is the proof of the truth of the Bible? There IS none.

That is so true Donovan.

neverlearn · 10-16-2004, 08:53 AM

where there is no light, there is darkness...
in the absence of God comes evil...
Its your choice.
Mr. Philips , I never will understand why people ask GFY'ers about the Bible. First off, The New Testament is what counts now. And for the love of God go talk to a priest. It seems you just want to ask a question and then jump all over whoever answers and try to outwit that poster to make your self 'feel' intelligent.
Otherwise you would ask a priest or a church goer...but you probably wouldnt act like you do in this thread to someones face.
the answer to your question is F A I T H. and I think you know that. Have a nice day unless you have other plans

Dirty F · 10-16-2004, 08:53 AM

Its so funny how people follow eachother and let other people tell them what to do and think. Its coicendence the Bible and Jesus is your religion, and millions others.

There are tons of books written for as long as humans can write about gods, believeing in this and that. The bible is just one book that got picked up and spread across the world. Total coincedence. This couldve been everything. Half the world couldve been praying to the great big black monkey now and swear he created the world. Its only a matter of how many people were believing in it before you.

The ONLY way to understand life and living it as good as possible is thinking for yourself and making your own conclusions based on what you see and do. NOT what others tell you. Once again. The fact tha5t you believe in Jesus is because of others, not because of yourself. It couldve been everything. If someone told you to believe in that fly on the wall long enough you would believe in that fly on the wall. As long as there are weak minded people who fear and who need others to fill in their life religion will exist. In 10000 years from now the masses will believe in something else. Religion is a matter of evolution. Just like aliens for example. Its a trend. People who spotted aliens 50 years ago give tiotally different descriptions of how they look compared to now. Its merely a reflection of how people tell them they should look. By television and comics for example. 100 years from now aliens will look totally different again. Keep in mind. You are a product of other people. Smart people less, most people more.

Dirty F · 10-16-2004, 08:55 AM

Oops, 3 posts above i partly misquoted Nina's message. Mind you its not me who typed that nonsense.

mardigras · 10-16-2004, 08:57 AM

Here is an interesting page

Why Would a Good God Allow Suffering?

Kevin2 · 10-16-2004, 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by neverlearn
First off, The New Testament is what counts now.

Don't believe everything you read. Jesus came for the Jews not the gentiles.

As we know Paul who was originaly Saul never met Jesus nor was he one of the original disciples yet he alone saw the sheet descend from heaven with all the unclean animals in it (there were no witnesses).

Despite there being no witnesses he was able to persuaded the original apostles that it was a message from Jesus that they can now preach the word to the non jews (gentiles) and so the birth of Christianity came about from ONE person who wasn't one of the original 12.

How can that be possible if Jesus himself said

"Christ counselled his disciples to take along two or three witnesses when settling a dispute: "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more,
that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established." (Matthew 18:15-16) "

Donny · 10-16-2004, 09:04 AM

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Originally posted by neverlearn
First off, The New Testament is what counts now.

Says the hypocritcal Christian that hangs out at adult webmaster boards...

Um... do you remember the part of the Bible that says God doesn't change, that he's the same yesterday, today and forever? Do you not see a contradiction when all of a sudden the New Testament becomes, as you say, "all that matters"? So if God never changes, why doesn't everything he said and did in the Old Testament matter anymore?

I'll tell you why... it's because you have NO answers for scriptures like Hosea 13:16, where God has the Israelites go into a village (simply because it was "rebellious") and kill pregnant women and rip their unborn babies from the mothers' wombs.

You have no answer for things like that... so it's much easier to say that "only the New Testament matters now", instead of dealing with the REAL truth:

the Bible was written by mostly uneducated idiots, back when people lived their lives based on legends and myths because they had no education themselves... and now that the majority of people are educated and have begun to question it, many idiots remain that KNOW something is wrong with the Bible but are too superstitious to question it because they are afraid of "hell".

neverlearn · 10-16-2004, 09:04 AM

there was no dispute though....

Dirty F · 10-16-2004, 09:04 AM

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Originally posted by Kevin2
Don't believe everything you read. Jesus came for the Jews not the gentiles.

As we know Paul who was originaly Saul never met Jesus nor was he one of the original disciples yet he alone saw the sheet descend from heaven with all the unclean animals in it (there were no witnesses).

Despite there being no witnesses he was able to persuaded the original apostles that it was a message from Jesus that they can now preach the word to the non jews (gentiles) and so the birth of Christianity came about from ONE person who wasn't one of the original 12.

How can that be possible if Jesus himself said

"Christ counselled his disciples to take along two or three witnesses when settling a dispute: "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more,
that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established." (Matthew 18:15-16) "

How the fuck do you know this???? If i write you a note now with some stuff that happened will you also blindly follow that?

Kevin2 · 10-16-2004, 09:09 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss
How the fuck do you know this???? If i write you a note now with some stuff that happened will you also blindly follow that?

Why the fuck would I follow you??????????

Where do you see anyone who wrote a note in my post? And I don't follow the Bible.

C_U_Next_Tuesday · 10-16-2004, 09:11 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss

Would you believe in God if you were born on a deserted island with noone around to polute your mind.

right on

Nanda · 10-16-2004, 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss

The ONLY way to understand life and living it as good as possible is thinking for yourself and making your own conclusions based on what you see and do. NOT what others tell you.
Once again. As long as there are weak minded people who fear and who need others to fill in their life religion will exist.

neverlearn · 10-16-2004, 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Says the hypocritcal Christian that hangs out at adult webmaster boards...

Um... do you remember the part of the Bible that says God doesn't change, that he's the same yesterday, today and forever? Do you not see a contradiction when all of a sudden the New Testament becomes, as you say, "all that matters"? So if God never changes, why doesn't everything he said and did in the Old Testament matter anymore?

I'll tell you why... it's because you have NO answers for scriptures like Hosea 13:16, where God has the Israelites go into a village (simply because it was "rebellious") and kill pregnant women and rip their unborn babies from the mothers' wombs.

You have no answer for things like that... so it's much easier to say that "only the New Testament matters now", instead of dealing with the REAL truth:

the Bible was written by mostly uneducated idiots, back when people lived their lives based on legends and myths because they had no education themselves... and now that the majority of people are educated and have begun to question it, many idiots remain that KNOW something is wrong with the Bible but are too superstitious to question it because they are afraid of "hell".

Ok , now this is good...first off you assume I am a Christian...I try. I believe Jesus is the son of God yes, and that he died for all of mans sins and I am a sinner. I also believe John 3:16. I'll assume you know that one.

Also...did God change in the New Testament? Jesus said "Forgive them Father becuase they know not what they do" I think that means dont be angry with them Father.

If your on the wrong side of God you have a dire problem, he brought you in and he will take you out.

Who are you to say there is no God?

Who are you to assume all that you do.

If you or I had the answer to all of these questions we would have dedicated our lives entirely to find answers. In vain to a certain exstent.
I dont know why God does what he does and neither does anyone have the mind of God.
But I do fear God and I try my best to understand and thank God that I have not had the misfortune as others.
All I know that is if I believe I am a sinner and saved by Jesus and have faith in God. things will work out...maybe not in this life but perhaps the afterlife.
Love your neighbour and do all the good you can

Donny · 10-16-2004, 09:19 AM

I don't know when I'm ever going to get it through my head that speaking
with someone that's decided they believe the Bible is a frustrating
experience and that a rational, scientific conversation is not possible.
I mean no disrespect by that, but it's pretty true.

The typical thing for Bible believers to do is to start proving their
points by quoting Bible scriptures. I'm sorry, but that is circular
reasoning. That's sorta like me writing a book stating that I am God.
And then when someone challenges my assertion that I am God, I take them
to page such-and-such of the book I wrote and say, "See, there's your
proof that I am God!".

Truth can be proven in many ways, yet the only way Bible believers have
to prove the Bible is circumstances that could just as easily prove the
Qur'an or several other alternate belief systems. Or by quoting
scriptures from the Bible itself, which, again, is circular reasoning.

Speaking of the Qur'an: are you aware that Muslims, though they call
him "Allah", serve the SAME God you do? Remember how Abraham had two
sons, one legitimate and one illegitimate? I'm sure you know the
illegitimate son is the ancestor of all Muslims. They descended from
him. Therefore, they serve the God of Abraham. Christians also serve
the God of Abraham. Same God. Yet there has been so much fighting
between the two groups. Why? Because Christians believe THEY have "the
only way" (whatever THAT is) and Muslims believe THEY have "the only
way".

God is NOT a God of faith. And faith is the cornerstone of Christian
belief. How can I say that God isn't a God of faith? By looking at his
creation. All of existence is very Scientific. We can predict, quite
accurately, the exact location of the earth in relationship to the sun
10 years from now. We have doctors and scientists that make incredible
breakthroughs on a daily basis. We're learning SO much... yet NONE of
it is based on faith. God is a God of FACTS and FIGURES. Men, not God,
made up both religion in general, and the Bible in particular. For some
men, it was a way to control people and instill fear. For others, they
honestly believed what they'd written.

Nevertheless, the Bible was indeed written by men. It's very ironic
that a Bible written by Jews happens to name Jews as "God's Chosen
People". The Bible is filled with hate and stories so ridiculous that
we must "accept them by faith". On top of oceans of water that part so
Israelites can cross, fire coming down from heaven to consume
sacrifices, an earth that was created in 7 days, and 2 loaves and 3
fishes miraculously feeding 5,000 people, we also have ridiculous
SENSELESS killings. Things that sound more like the angry writings of
poor-white-trash than something an all-knowing, merciful God would do.
For instance:

HOSEA 13:16 - "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled
against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be
dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up"

(I thought God hated abortion... what happened in that last verse?)

- or -

1 SAMUEL 6:19 "And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had
looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty
thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because
the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter"

That is 50,070 people killed because someone looked inside the Ark.
That is the same as the entire population of Chico. Imagine that.

- or -

How about having one million people killed? Not only is that an
ENORMOUS amount of people, but I wonder exactly how God killed so many
all at once. Here's the scripture:

2 CHRONICLE 14:8-12 "And Asa had an army of men . . . And there came out
against them Zera the Ethiopian with an host of a thousand thousand . .
. Asa cried unto the Lord his God, and said Lord, it is nothing with
thee to help, whether with many, or with them that have no power, help
us, O Lord our God . . . So the Lord smote the Ethiopians"

And do you remember what you were told about rainbows? What exactly are
rainbows? Refraction of light passing through water? Or a promise from
God not to ever flood the earth again? Well, if you believe the Bible,
it's the latter. How ignorant!

There are so many RIDICULOUS claims in that book. If GOD had inspired
it, he would have known that someday we'd become more educated about the
science behind how things work. Someday we wouldn't live our lives
based on legends and fairy tales.

To me, I see the Bible as "Santa Claus" for adults. Many people can't
handle many of life's truths. They would be shattered emotionally if,
for instance, they had to face the fact that once we die.... we die.
That's it. We're gone. There is NO afterlife. And no amount of group
peer-pressure to believe ancient myths is going to change that fact.

But let's say there was an afterlife... good or bad. Does it make ANY
sense to you that a God, a better father than any earthly man could ever
possibly HOPE to be, would punish us FOREVER for screwing up during our
EXTREMELY SHORT time here on earth? Our minds are mortal. We can't
comprehend the idea of never-ending, everlasting life. But isn't it
ridiculous to think ANY father would punish his children FOREVER when
they screw up for a SHORT time? Should I spank my son daily if he talks
back to his mother a few times? And keep spanking him for the rest of his
life for that sin? "Well, I warned him!" just wouldn't be a good enough
explanation to the courts that would take him away from me if I did
that. And that example is not even as ridiculous as sending a person to
ETERNAL damnation for a short life of sin, no matter HOW many times they
were warned. Whatever happened to "forgiving 70 x 7 times in one day"?
490 sins a day is what Jesus commanded that we allow people. I guess
it's different on matters relating to "eternal life", eh? For some
reason, that makes me snicker.

If our children believed things that were as ridiculous as those that
are described in the Bible, and they WEREN'T events described in the
Bible, we'd eventually educate them and let them know that fairy tales
aren't real, the tooth fairy doesn't exist, and Santa Claus doesn't
bring presents to the good boys and girls of the world.

Why, then, do adults believe the fairy tales in the Bible? It was
written by angry, mostly uneducated Jewish men that want everyone to
believe what THEY believe.

My ex-sister-in-law recently wrote:

"God's way is the ONLY way that works. Your spirit knows it Donny, and
you will NEVER have peace until you recognize this as truth."

My response was:

"Absolutely incorrect. My 'spirit' knows nothing of the sort. I simply
can't stand the fact that so many thinking adults still believe in fairy
tales. Just as I'm sure it irritates you to hear an un-educated person
talking about ridiculous beliefs in astrology, talking adamantly about
Hinduism or Buddhism, or professing absolute belief in some weird voodoo
type crap. And I particularly get bothered that such beliefs are being
taught to my son. And I'm even MORE bothered that I can't tell him the
truth because it would immediately put him at odds with his mother's side of
his family, pull him in two different directions and confuse the hell
out of him."

Some day you MAY face the fact that the Bible has NOTHING to do
with God. Although it talks a lot ABOUT God it has NOTHING to do with
him. It is indeed a load of crap. It is a book filled with hatred.
Yes, it has some great stories of love when it comes to the story of
Jesus, but it is overwhelmingly filled with hatred. If you mess up,
you're killed or eternally punished. If you're rebellious, God rips
your unborn children from your womb. Many people try to explain away a
lot of that hatred (not all of it) by saying that the New Testament in
some way "does away" with many parts of the Old Testament. That, too,
is a load of crap. It's a nice cop-out and is, in fact, an attempt to
try to explain away some of the Bible's inconsistencies. And such
ridiculous explanations are only accepted by people who blindly accept
anything they're told, as long as it has to do with the Bible.

I believe people need religion to be able to psychologically deal with
life's problems. So many of life's issues get people down, so humans
made up many different forms of spiritual belief. Don't you think that
God is powerful enough that if he wanted an organized religion he would
have revealed the same thing to EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE? The Bible was all written in a pretty centralized area in the middle east. There aren't
books written by men in what we know as Russia, what we know as Africa,
what we know as Australia, or North or South America. Nope. All those
regions of the earth have their OWN form of religion. But Bible
believers, for some reason, think the "truth" revealed in the middle
east is the ONLY way. I'm sorry but they are WRONG. There IS no "one
true way". There is no place to go to when we die. And there is no
"way" to go ANYWHERE.

Let me tell you, when you die, you're dead. There is no eternal life.
You won't see your Grandmothers again. You won't see anyone that has
died again. If my son dies before me I won't see him again. The thought
of that is so mind blowing and painful that it's no wonder people make
up religions to cope with death and other such issues.

Delude yourself if you'd like. I guess it doesn't hurt you. But it
sure has hurt others (how many wars were started over religious
disputes... in fact, Sept 11th happened simply because of one group's
religious beliefs). I greatly dislike all forms of religion and pity
those enslaved to ANY religion, including Christianity.

reef · 10-16-2004, 09:20 AM

I'm still trying to figure out why so many people even believe in the concept of a "god". It must be fear. If this concept never existed and then was introduced to us now, we, as intelligent beings, would most likely consider it ridiculous and dismiss it. But since there is so much fear of the unknown, ninety some percent of us believe in this concept "just in case". The funny thing is, we will never know the truth of our existence and that of a supreme being. So why don't we just live our lives to the fullest while we are here and stop arguing, bickering and waging war over something that has no right and no wrong.

myjah · 10-16-2004, 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
"Faith" is a crock of shit too. Let's assume that I believe in God for a moment:

God is NOT a God of faith. And faith is the cornerstone of Christian belief. How can I say that God isn't a God of faith? By looking at his creation. All of existence is very Scientific. We can predict, quite accurately, the exact location of the earth in relationship to the sun 10 years from now. We have doctors and scientists that make incredible breakthroughs on an almost daily basis. We're learning SO much... yet NONE of it is based on faith... it is based on science. If there is a God, he is a God of FACTS and FIGURES. Men, not God, made up both religion in general, and the Bible in particular. For some men, it was a way to control people and instill fear. For others, they honestly believed what they'd written. But doesn't it strike you as a little odd that a book that claims that the Jews are God's chosen people happens to be written by (drum roll please) Jews? And where is the proof of the truth of the Bible? There IS none.

Doesn't the bible say that you have to believe that Jesus died on the cross to save your soul in order to go to heaven? And Jews don't believe that the saviour has been sent to earth yet, correct?
I had no idea that ALL the people who contributed to the writing the bible were jews. If this is fact, seems like they would've left out the part where Jesus was crucified.

neverlearn · 10-16-2004, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
[B]I don't know when I'm ever going to get it through my head that speaking
with someone that's decided they believe the Bible is a frustrating
experience and that a rational, scientific conversation is not possible.
I mean no disrespect by that, but it's pretty true.

Then why ask questions such as these? Its seems you are lost...again. and angry.bitter and perhaps depressed.
Smile and all will be good

lazycash · 10-16-2004, 09:28 AM

Donovan, you've been posting this similar question every couple of months for the last year on this board, why? Just seems you're trying to validate your beliefs as you already know what the overwhelming response is going to be from gfy. Try taking your question to a board full of believers and then you'll get a response you can debate.

Donny · 10-16-2004, 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by myjah
Doesn't the bible say that you have to believe that Jesus died on the cross to save your soul in order to go to heaven? And Jews don't believe that the saviour has been sent to earth yet, correct?
I had no idea that ALL the people who contributed to the writing the bible were jews. If this is fact, seems like they would've left out the part where Jesus was crucified.

Jesus was a Jew, as were his disciples. Do you think every Italian believes the exact same way? Or every Spaniard?

Yes, the Bible was written entirely by Jews.

Donny · 10-16-2004, 09:32 AM

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Originally posted by neverlearn
Then why ask questions such as these? Its seems you are lost...again. and angry.bitter and perhaps depressed.
Smile and all will be good

I absolutely hate Christianity, yes. It has fucked up a lot of people that I know. So, am I angry? You're God-Damned right I'm angry. Who wouldn't be? How many wars have been waged between religious idiots?

Why did 3,000 + people have to die in New York because of one group of people's religious beliefs conflicting with anothers?

Religions talk about "evil" all the time, when the REAL evil is religion itself.

Donny · 10-16-2004, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by lazycash
Donovan, you've been posting this similar question every couple of months for the last year on this board, why? Just seems you're trying to validate your beliefs as you already know what the overwhelming response is going to be from gfy. Try taking your question to a board full of believers and then you'll get a response you can debate.

I post this type of question from time to time because religious idiots keep posting their opinions here. Hopefully, someday, they'll read some of the things I've written (like the stuff in that really long post a few posts back) and start thinking for themselves, finally freeing their minds of the trash that has been put there by other religious idiots.

neverlearn · 10-16-2004, 09:37 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I absolutely hate Christianity, yes. It has fucked up a lot of people that I know. So, am I angry? You're God-Damned right I'm angry. Who wouldn't be? How many wars have been waged between religious idiots?

Why did 3,000 + people have to die in New York because of one group of people's religious beliefs conflicting with anothers?

Religions talk about "evil" all the time, when the REAL evil is religion itself.

to me...religeon and belief are two different things...I dont believe in religeon, thats a routine (ie: eat , drink, sleep etc)
I have my beliefs and everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.
I beleive that.
and yes , you do waste alot of energy hating the people around you. silly

neverlearn · 10-16-2004, 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I post this type of question from time to time because religious idiots keep posting their opinions here. Hopefully, someday, they'll read some of the things I've written (like the stuff in that really long post a few posts back) and start thinking for themselves, finally freeing their minds of the trash that has been put there by other religious idiots.

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH GET BEHIND ME SATAN!

listen: If your balls are so big...
I also DARE you to go to a Christian board and debate then...post a link in this thread so we can see how well you fair...

just do it , or are you scared someone or some people will change your beliefs.

I DARE YOU

neverlearn · 10-16-2004, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I post this type of question from time to time because religious idiots keep posting their opinions here. Hopefully, someday, they'll read some of the things I've written (like the stuff in that really long post a few posts back) and start thinking for themselves, finally freeing their minds of the trash that has been put there by other religious idiots.

You also sound like a Meglomaniac in this post..SOME DAY I WILL FREE THE MINDS OF OTHERS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA way to go Dr.Evil...

sexeducation · 10-16-2004, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
If there was really a being that cared about each and every one of us so much that he knew the number of hairs on our heads and wanted to have a personal relationship with each of us (as the Bible claims) why in the world would he sit by and let very young children be raped, beaten, killed, and made to suffer many other horrible atrocities?

God doesn't allow that to happen - we do.

WE known 32,000 children will die in poverty - we do nothing.

WE know 125 Million women have had their clitoris-glans cut off.
God is not doing this - we are.

Donny · 10-16-2004, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by neverlearn
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH GET BEHIND ME SATAN!

listen: If your balls are so big...
I also DARE you to go to a Christian board and debate then...post a link in this thread so we can see how well you fair...

just do it , or are you scared someone or some people will change your beliefs.

I DARE YOU

Been there, done that. Many times. And numerous emails to Pastors, too. They can't answer the tough questions and eventually give up.

For YOU, the point is this: don't rely on what "others" might say in answer to my questions... think for YOURSELF. Read that long post I put up a few posts back and come up with your OWN answers to the questions posed.

Donny · 10-16-2004, 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by sexeducation
God doesn't allow that to happen - we do.

WE known 32,000 children will die in poverty - we do nothing.

WE know 125 Million women have had their clitoris-glans cut off.
God is not doing this - we are.

Kindly leave the discussion. We are not on the topic of your sex-related social problems. You have your sites to discuss such issues.

sexeducation · 10-16-2004, 09:48 AM

You are given the right to decide what you will do with your life.

Don't think "God" doesn't care.

The choice is yours.

Manowar · 10-16-2004, 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by Abyss_Vee
everyone is their own god

thats a good philosophy

neverlearn · 10-16-2004, 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Kindly leave the discussion. We are not on the topic of your sex-related social problems. You have your sites to discuss such issues.

He has good points though that you chose to ignore...thus proving him right.

I did not read your long post. Why would I??? your posts are based on hate. your hate and you said it yourself.

I knew you would back down from my dare.
I so knew it. and you sir are so owned.
now lets see how angrier you get...

lazycash · 10-16-2004, 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I post this type of question from time to time because religious idiots keep posting their opinions here. Hopefully, someday, they'll read some of the things I've written (like the stuff in that really long post a few posts back) and start thinking for themselves, finally freeing their minds of the trash that has been put there by other religious idiots.

It just seems quite ironic that you're doing the very thing you hate radical Christian fundamentalist doing, mocking other's beliefs. Using belittling words like "Santa Claus", fairy tales, trash, ignorant, ridiculous etc... only cause your point to fall on deaf ears. I understand you have a lot of bitterness over your son being a believer as a result of your ex and the friction its caused in your relationship with your son, but why take that bitterness out on everyone who doesn't believe as you do?

It sounds like from previous posts that you're a great father and provider for your son. Don't get so consumed by the fact that your ex is raising him with Christian values that it causes you to be filled with anger and bitterness. I can think of a lot more harmful ways a mother could be raising their son.

If you're truly seeking answers to the questions you've posed, then you know as well as I do this is not the place. It appears all you want to do from time to time is vent and mock those that don't believe as you do. Did some recent incident initiate your tirade today? Did your son ask you again if you believed in Jesus?

sexeducation · 10-16-2004, 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Kindly leave the discussion. We are not on the topic of your sex-related social problems. You have your sites to discuss such issues.

I am discussing whether your fantasy version of an "all power" is the correct one.

Your position reminds me of a joke ...

A priest is thrown overboard and finds himself on a raft in the ocean. He prays to God - "please save me".

A helicopter comes by and drops a ladder - but the priest pushes it away and says - God will save me.

A freighter comes by and yells to the Priest on the raft - you need help? - the priest replies NO [saying to himself God will save me].

The Coast Guard comes by and asks if he needs help and the priest once more replies - NO.

When he dies - he asks St.Peter - why did you let me die on the ocean?

St.Peter says - we sent a helicopter, a freighter and the coast guard.

; )

Donny · 10-16-2004, 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by neverlearn
He has good points though that you chose to ignore...thus proving him right.

I did not read your long post. Why would I??? your posts are based on hate. your hate and you said it yourself.

I knew you would back down from my dare.
I so knew it. and you sir are so owned.
now lets see how angrier you get...

You are acting like a typical Christian. Instead of answering YOURSELF, you want me to go on a board somewhere and give you a link so that you can be TOLD by SOMEONE ELSE what the answers are...

I challenge you to read my post and come up with your OWN answers. You have your own brain, don't you? You really don't need others to answer for you, do you? Or are you, like 90% of all the other christians out there, incapable of coming up with your own beliefs until you're TOLD what you believe?

TheSaint · 10-16-2004, 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
If there was really a being that cared about each and every one of us so much that he knew the number of hairs on our heads and wanted to have a personal relationship with each of us (as the Bible claims) why in the world would he sit by and let very young children be raped, beaten, killed, and made to suffer many other horrible atrocities?

There is a simple explanation:

God is a sadist.

I made the choice a long time ago after spending 4 months in a Ronald McDOnald house watching children die of cancer that god, if he exists, is not somebody I want to know.

I'll take my chances with Lucifer.

Donny · 10-16-2004, 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by lazycash
It just seems quite ironic that you're doing the very thing you hate radical Christian fundamentalist doing, mocking other's beliefs. Using belittling words like "Santa Claus", fairy tales, trash, ignorant, ridiculous etc... only cause your point to fall on deaf ears. I understand you have a lot of bitterness over your son being a believer as a result of your ex and the friction its caused in your relationship with your son, but why take that bitterness out on everyone who doesn't believe as you do?

It sounds like from previous posts that you're a great father and provider for your son. Don't get so consumed by the fact that your ex is raising him with Christian values that it causes you to be filled with anger and bitterness. I can think of a lot more harmful ways a mother could be raising their son.

If you're truly seeking answers to the questions you've posed, then you know as well as I do this is not the place. It appears all you want to do from time to time is vent and mock those that don't believe as you do. Did some recent incident initiate your tirade today? Did your son ask you again if you believed in Jesus?

My son is 4 years old. There is no religious friction between us. Maybe someday there will be, but that time has not yet come.

My ex-wife is the world's best mother.

As for seeking answers to these questions: I've asked numerous pastors. They all come up with the same answers, in fact, I usually send them a second email and make them promise not to read it until after they've answered the questions from the first. In the second email, I put down what I guess they will answer. I've never been wrong. I already know their answers. Why? Because they are sheep, too. They all get their answers in seminary from the same sources. And all of their answers are vague generalities. They can't come up with logical, scientific answers.

The closest religious group with the best scientific answers so far has been, sadly, Kabbalists (www.kabbalah.com).

Donny · 10-16-2004, 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by TheSaint
I made the choice a long time ago after spending 4 months in a Ronald McDOnald house watching children die of cancer that god, if he exists, is not somebody I want to know.

Exactly.

sexeducation · 10-16-2004, 10:01 AM

WE allow ...
and in particular this room allows ...

the worlds worst sexual peversion to exist.

But this room - yes - this room - with all it's contacts - and all the playa's ....could wipe out FGM in a few years ...

Completely wipe it out.

God & the MasterBlooger is telling you this is true.

wiped out with a single EMBARRASING GLOBAL CAMPAIGN that only the adult industry could launch which such force it would overwhelm those searching for "sex" on the internet.
IMO

10-16-2004, 08:16 AM	#1
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	A question for those who believe in God: If there was really a being that cared about each and every one of us so much that he knew the number of hairs on our heads and wanted to have a personal relationship with each of us (as the Bible claims) why in the world would he sit by and let very young children be raped, beaten, killed, and made to suffer many other horrible atrocities?

10-16-2004, 08:20 AM	#2
beergood Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: United States Posts: 2,918	because the bible is wrong. I'm sure its been altered, mis-translated, fucked up over the years enough to barely resemble what it started out as. __________________ icq: 320340263

10-16-2004, 08:29 AM	#5
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10-16-2004, 08:41 AM	#9
Ordo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,186	It's a part of Free will. In nature, things happen and the suffering of one will have an effect on another. As mortal humans with only so much ability, one can only speculate as to the master plan never truly having any understanding of it. A suffering child of today could result in a web that ultimately saves the lives of millions tomorrow. But we will never know, as is the way it's intended thus promoting faith in that which we may not fully understand. __________________ Savor Premium Affiliate Area Here

10-16-2004, 08:44 AM	#11
Kevin2 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,429	Well God is no angel as he killed woman and children too. GE 6:11-17, 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the greatest mass murderer in history. EX 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt. The bible is full of these kinds of atrocities. __________________ Webmasters Trade Traffic!!!

10-16-2004, 08:22 AM	#3
Abyss_Vee Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,208	everyone is their own god

10-16-2004, 08:36 AM	#7
ninavain So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,268	because we've been given choices and a soul...those that do such deeds will face the punishment...There is evil so we know what is good. Life is a game and you have the choice of what to do with it...when things like this happen, you question God's existance, you lack faith, which will also bring darkness into your life. Every evil deed can cause a catalast to another person's soul to better themselves and do good to other people, so that evil deed never happens again..if you choose to ignore another's cry for help, then you are as bad as the person commiting the evil deed. It's easy to blame...but why not try to better yourself and help. These webmasters in porn are blessed with great wealth and jobs they can do from home, but most become overweight or can not maintain a good relationship...or feel something missing..even though they can buy anything they like..sometimes you have to help others that need it the most. Then that sets your soul free..

10-16-2004, 08:40 AM	#8
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	I hear a bunch of babble in this thread. The point is this: the Bible claims that God knows each of us so well that he knows the exact number of hairs on our head. It also portrays him as a loving father that cares about each of us and wants a personal relationship with us. I don't know about you, but I could never let an innocent child of MINE be abused. Sorry, folks, but if there is no all-knowing, almighty being looking down on you.

10-16-2004, 08:53 AM	#15
neverlearn Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Banners, FPA, HPA, FLASH, Illustration, Web Design, Print, posters, business cards, LOGOS ...ICQ 210-450-833 Posts: 2,085	where there is no light, there is darkness... in the absence of God comes evil... Its your choice. Mr. Philips , I never will understand why people ask GFY'ers about the Bible. First off, The New Testament is what counts now. And for the love of God go talk to a priest. It seems you just want to ask a question and then jump all over whoever answers and try to outwit that poster to make your self 'feel' intelligent. Otherwise you would ask a priest or a church goer...but you probably wouldnt act like you do in this thread to someones face. the answer to your question is F A I T H. and I think you know that. Have a nice day unless you have other plans __________________ DICK TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

10-16-2004, 08:53 AM	#16
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Its so funny how people follow eachother and let other people tell them what to do and think. Its coicendence the Bible and Jesus is your religion, and millions others. There are tons of books written for as long as humans can write about gods, believeing in this and that. The bible is just one book that got picked up and spread across the world. Total coincedence. This couldve been everything. Half the world couldve been praying to the great big black monkey now and swear he created the world. Its only a matter of how many people were believing in it before you. The ONLY way to understand life and living it as good as possible is thinking for yourself and making your own conclusions based on what you see and do. NOT what others tell you. Once again. The fact tha5t you believe in Jesus is because of others, not because of yourself. It couldve been everything. If someone told you to believe in that fly on the wall long enough you would believe in that fly on the wall. As long as there are weak minded people who fear and who need others to fill in their life religion will exist. In 10000 years from now the masses will believe in something else. Religion is a matter of evolution. Just like aliens for example. Its a trend. People who spotted aliens 50 years ago give tiotally different descriptions of how they look compared to now. Its merely a reflection of how people tell them they should look. By television and comics for example. 100 years from now aliens will look totally different again. Keep in mind. You are a product of other people. Smart people less, most people more. Last edited by Dirty F; 10-16-2004 at 08:56 AM..

10-16-2004, 08:55 AM	#17
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Oops, 3 posts above i partly misquoted Nina's message. Mind you its not me who typed that nonsense.

10-16-2004, 08:57 AM	#18
mardigras Bon temps! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: down yonder Posts: 14,194	Here is an interesting page Why Would a Good God Allow Suffering? __________________ .

10-16-2004, 09:04 AM	#21
neverlearn Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Banners, FPA, HPA, FLASH, Illustration, Web Design, Print, posters, business cards, LOGOS ...ICQ 210-450-833 Posts: 2,085	there was no dispute though.... __________________ DICK TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

10-16-2004, 09:19 AM	#27
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	I don't know when I'm ever going to get it through my head that speaking with someone that's decided they believe the Bible is a frustrating experience and that a rational, scientific conversation is not possible. I mean no disrespect by that, but it's pretty true. The typical thing for Bible believers to do is to start proving their points by quoting Bible scriptures. I'm sorry, but that is circular reasoning. That's sorta like me writing a book stating that I am God. And then when someone challenges my assertion that I am God, I take them to page such-and-such of the book I wrote and say, "See, there's your proof that I am God!". Truth can be proven in many ways, yet the only way Bible believers have to prove the Bible is circumstances that could just as easily prove the Qur'an or several other alternate belief systems. Or by quoting scriptures from the Bible itself, which, again, is circular reasoning. Speaking of the Qur'an: are you aware that Muslims, though they call him "Allah", serve the SAME God you do? Remember how Abraham had two sons, one legitimate and one illegitimate? I'm sure you know the illegitimate son is the ancestor of all Muslims. They descended from him. Therefore, they serve the God of Abraham. Christians also serve the God of Abraham. Same God. Yet there has been so much fighting between the two groups. Why? Because Christians believe THEY have "the only way" (whatever THAT is) and Muslims believe THEY have "the only way". God is NOT a God of faith. And faith is the cornerstone of Christian belief. How can I say that God isn't a God of faith? By looking at his creation. All of existence is very Scientific. We can predict, quite accurately, the exact location of the earth in relationship to the sun 10 years from now. We have doctors and scientists that make incredible breakthroughs on a daily basis. We're learning SO much... yet NONE of it is based on faith. God is a God of FACTS and FIGURES. Men, not God, made up both religion in general, and the Bible in particular. For some men, it was a way to control people and instill fear. For others, they honestly believed what they'd written. Nevertheless, the Bible was indeed written by men. It's very ironic that a Bible written by Jews happens to name Jews as "God's Chosen People". The Bible is filled with hate and stories so ridiculous that we must "accept them by faith". On top of oceans of water that part so Israelites can cross, fire coming down from heaven to consume sacrifices, an earth that was created in 7 days, and 2 loaves and 3 fishes miraculously feeding 5,000 people, we also have ridiculous SENSELESS killings. Things that sound more like the angry writings of poor-white-trash than something an all-knowing, merciful God would do. For instance: HOSEA 13:16 - "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up" (I thought God hated abortion... what happened in that last verse?) - or - 1 SAMUEL 6:19 "And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter" That is 50,070 people killed because someone looked inside the Ark. That is the same as the entire population of Chico. Imagine that. - or - How about having one million people killed? Not only is that an ENORMOUS amount of people, but I wonder exactly how God killed so many all at once. Here's the scripture: 2 CHRONICLE 14:8-12 "And Asa had an army of men . . . And there came out against them Zera the Ethiopian with an host of a thousand thousand . . . Asa cried unto the Lord his God, and said Lord, it is nothing with thee to help, whether with many, or with them that have no power, help us, O Lord our God . . . So the Lord smote the Ethiopians" And do you remember what you were told about rainbows? What exactly are rainbows? Refraction of light passing through water? Or a promise from God not to ever flood the earth again? Well, if you believe the Bible, it's the latter. How ignorant! There are so many RIDICULOUS claims in that book. If GOD had inspired it, he would have known that someday we'd become more educated about the science behind how things work. Someday we wouldn't live our lives based on legends and fairy tales. To me, I see the Bible as "Santa Claus" for adults. Many people can't handle many of life's truths. They would be shattered emotionally if, for instance, they had to face the fact that once we die.... we die. That's it. We're gone. There is NO afterlife. And no amount of group peer-pressure to believe ancient myths is going to change that fact. But let's say there was an afterlife... good or bad. Does it make ANY sense to you that a God, a better father than any earthly man could ever possibly HOPE to be, would punish us FOREVER for screwing up during our EXTREMELY SHORT time here on earth? Our minds are mortal. We can't comprehend the idea of never-ending, everlasting life. But isn't it ridiculous to think ANY father would punish his children FOREVER when they screw up for a SHORT time? Should I spank my son daily if he talks back to his mother a few times? And keep spanking him for the rest of his life for that sin? "Well, I warned him!" just wouldn't be a good enough explanation to the courts that would take him away from me if I did that. And that example is not even as ridiculous as sending a person to ETERNAL damnation for a short life of sin, no matter HOW many times they were warned. Whatever happened to "forgiving 70 x 7 times in one day"? 490 sins a day is what Jesus commanded that we allow people. I guess it's different on matters relating to "eternal life", eh? For some reason, that makes me snicker. If our children believed things that were as ridiculous as those that are described in the Bible, and they WEREN'T events described in the Bible, we'd eventually educate them and let them know that fairy tales aren't real, the tooth fairy doesn't exist, and Santa Claus doesn't bring presents to the good boys and girls of the world. Why, then, do adults believe the fairy tales in the Bible? It was written by angry, mostly uneducated Jewish men that want everyone to believe what THEY believe. My ex-sister-in-law recently wrote: "God's way is the ONLY way that works. Your spirit knows it Donny, and you will NEVER have peace until you recognize this as truth." My response was: "Absolutely incorrect. My 'spirit' knows nothing of the sort. I simply can't stand the fact that so many thinking adults still believe in fairy tales. Just as I'm sure it irritates you to hear an un-educated person talking about ridiculous beliefs in astrology, talking adamantly about Hinduism or Buddhism, or professing absolute belief in some weird voodoo type crap. And I particularly get bothered that such beliefs are being taught to my son. And I'm even MORE bothered that I can't tell him the truth because it would immediately put him at odds with his mother's side of his family, pull him in two different directions and confuse the hell out of him." Some day you MAY face the fact that the Bible has NOTHING to do with God. Although it talks a lot ABOUT God it has NOTHING to do with him. It is indeed a load of crap. It is a book filled with hatred. Yes, it has some great stories of love when it comes to the story of Jesus, but it is overwhelmingly filled with hatred. If you mess up, you're killed or eternally punished. If you're rebellious, God rips your unborn children from your womb. Many people try to explain away a lot of that hatred (not all of it) by saying that the New Testament in some way "does away" with many parts of the Old Testament. That, too, is a load of crap. It's a nice cop-out and is, in fact, an attempt to try to explain away some of the Bible's inconsistencies. And such ridiculous explanations are only accepted by people who blindly accept anything they're told, as long as it has to do with the Bible. I believe people need religion to be able to psychologically deal with life's problems. So many of life's issues get people down, so humans made up many different forms of spiritual belief. Don't you think that God is powerful enough that if he wanted an organized religion he would have revealed the same thing to EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE? The Bible was all written in a pretty centralized area in the middle east. There aren't books written by men in what we know as Russia, what we know as Africa, what we know as Australia, or North or South America. Nope. All those regions of the earth have their OWN form of religion. But Bible believers, for some reason, think the "truth" revealed in the middle east is the ONLY way. I'm sorry but they are WRONG. There IS no "one true way". There is no place to go to when we die. And there is no "way" to go ANYWHERE. Let me tell you, when you die, you're dead. There is no eternal life. You won't see your Grandmothers again. You won't see anyone that has died again. If my son dies before me I won't see him again. The thought of that is so mind blowing and painful that it's no wonder people make up religions to cope with death and other such issues. Delude yourself if you'd like. I guess it doesn't hurt you. But it sure has hurt others (how many wars were started over religious disputes... in fact, Sept 11th happened simply because of one group's religious beliefs). I greatly dislike all forms of religion and pity those enslaved to ANY religion, including Christianity.

10-16-2004, 09:20 AM	#28
reef Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 35	I'm still trying to figure out why so many people even believe in the concept of a "god". It must be fear. If this concept never existed and then was introduced to us now, we, as intelligent beings, would most likely consider it ridiculous and dismiss it. But since there is so much fear of the unknown, ninety some percent of us believe in this concept "just in case". The funny thing is, we will never know the truth of our existence and that of a supreme being. So why don't we just live our lives to the fullest while we are here and stop arguing, bickering and waging war over something that has no right and no wrong.

10-16-2004, 09:28 AM	#31
lazycash Troll Patrol Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Local Socal Posts: 15,214	Donovan, you've been posting this similar question every couple of months for the last year on this board, why? Just seems you're trying to validate your beliefs as you already know what the overwhelming response is going to be from gfy. Try taking your question to a board full of believers and then you'll get a response you can debate. __________________ "WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams.. Its crazy..." VenusBlogger

10-16-2004, 09:48 AM	#41
sexeducation So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Calgary - Alberta - Canada Posts: 7,315	You are given the right to decide what you will do with your life. Don't think "God" doesn't care. The choice is yours.

10-16-2004, 10:01 AM	#50
sexeducation So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Calgary - Alberta - Canada Posts: 7,315	WE allow ... and in particular this room allows ... the worlds worst sexual peversion to exist. But this room - yes - this room - with all it's contacts - and all the playa's ....could wipe out FGM in a few years ... Completely wipe it out. God & the MasterBlooger is telling you this is true. wiped out with a single EMBARRASING GLOBAL CAMPAIGN that only the adult industry could launch which such force it would overwhelm those searching for "sex" on the internet. IMO