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TonyL · 10-12-2004, 09:35 PM

It's not about Ibill. It's a visa/mastercard regulation. You cannot transfer the re-bill accounts in the manner you are suggesting.

There may be a more creative solution. Perhaps something can be arranged in a "backroom-deal", there it can be done but not if visa/mastercard knows. And it's going to be hard to hide that kind of volume transfering to another merchant account.

-Tony

GonZo · 10-12-2004, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by keyboard warrior
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7 of em will have you driving the Ice Cream truck round and round all the Kids R Kids at 4am in the morning in Canada...better stop before 5 though....gotto be at McDonalds to get the Egg Mcmuffins ready and then its off to kindergarden right at lunch time and then to Chuck E Cheese....one busy MasterBlogger!

tony286 · 10-12-2004, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by sexeducation
I would assume Lensmans account is not small.

I think the damage has mostly been done.

It seems in the information age, they are not releasing someone elses information.

iBill.com will pay for this one.

I doubt they will get more new MAJOR accounts until they make a public statement that they will NOT STEAL the information beloning to others ..

it's so crystal it's crazy ...

They are NOT releasing so far - Lensman private information - and therefore have lost all new clients - I would assume - until they make a public statement otherwise.

No NATS - No Nuts
Lensman - has 'em both.

Why are you trusting who you are with?

With a third party biller its not your info ,its not your customers they belong to the third party biller. Whether its wrong or right thats a whole other story. One of the benefits no one talks about having your own merchant account is the customers are yours not someone else's. your bank has problems you take your customers with you. If I was a big player I would be managing my own merchant account even if I had to hire a guy and his only job was to manage and watch it . He would be the one turning the scrubbing up or down depending on the cb ratio's.

keyboard warrior · 10-12-2004, 09:56 PM

MarkIbill wont let you have any databases.

just ask him.

uchase/webpry · 10-12-2004, 09:57 PM

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Originally posted by GonZo
7 of em will have you driving the Ice Cream truck round and round all the Kids R Kids at 4am in the morning in Canada...better stop before 5 though....gotto be at McDonalds to get the Egg Mcmuffins ready and then its off to kindergarden right at lunch time and then to Chuck E Cheese....one busy MasterBlogger!

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Jay_StandAhead · 10-12-2004, 10:04 PM

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rowan · 10-12-2004, 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by TonyL
It's not about Ibill. It's a visa/mastercard regulation. You cannot transfer the re-bill accounts in the manner you are suggesting.

Makes sense to me. There's going to be a lot of confusion when the descriptor quietly changes from "IBILLCS" to "EPOCH" or "CCBILL." Members consented to the billing arrangement with iBill when they signed up.

The "email existing members with unbelievable offers" trick may be the only alternative. I did this when PSW went under, from memory the takeup rate was only about 25-30%.

whatif_3 · 10-13-2004, 09:34 AM

3rd party processors can release databases, if they wish,the issue is whether the new procesor is willing to take the risk by processing the imported transactions, that was the big issue when i had this done years ago, the files had to go directly from one processor to the other, i could not touch them

ibill can release them, and if their decision to hold onto them (in the hopes that there client will not move), costs you $$$, then you can attack them legally, but i am sure that the threat may be enough

its simple good business, dont take your clients rebills down with you, every day that those rebills are not rebilled, they are worth less

you are the only big program owner i have heard ask about this, either the other larger ones with much to lose have already done this, or are working on it quietly

Manowar · 10-13-2004, 09:37 AM

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Originally posted by juicylinks
If the law process dont work.... I have Jonny Chin avail for hire

GonZo · 10-13-2004, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by uchase/webpry
hello confucy, you sexy bitch !!!

Confucy isnt here shes moving into her trailer....

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vospet · 10-13-2004, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by GonZo
Confucy isnt here shes moving into her trailer....

http://www.sexgoblins.com/shopin.wmv

LOL

Kimmykim · 10-13-2004, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by sexeducation
This thread should be PINNED.

When a supplier refuses to release YOUR recurring CC billing information ...

this is as important as it gets in the adult industy.

this thread should be pinned.

Um, hello stupid little man in need of immediate medical attention.

Lensman doesn't own that database, Ibill does. And one would hope it's in his contract that they have to release it in case of default. Or that they will release it to him if he asks.

Shoplifter · 10-13-2004, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Um, hello stupid little man in need of immediate medical attention.

Lensman doesn't own that database, Ibill does. And one would hope it's in his contract that they have to release it in case of default. Or that they will release it to him if he asks.

So KK is it over with Ibill? You probably know as much or more about all this as I do and it looks gloomy indeed. Most of the VIP's I know who haven't packed their bags are giving it no more than this week for a concrete announcement from them. What is going on in Florida?

Kimmykim · 10-13-2004, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by Shoplifter
So KK is it over with Ibill? You probably know as much or more about all this as I do and it looks gloomy indeed. Most of the VIP's I know who haven't packed their bags are giving it no more than this week for a concrete announcement from them. What is going on in Florida?

I'm in California, not Florida ;)

Databases can be transferred from one bank or processor to another -- provided both processors, banks and the card associations approve the transfer.

The comments about losing members due to descriptor changes are very valid ones as well, just keep that in mind.

Honeyslut · 10-13-2004, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Are you talking about your roadside lemonade stand or your paper route?

good one

jimmyf · 10-13-2004, 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by speakthetruth
Wish I could find the search from about 14 month ago when you were talking about how great the new Ibill team was, how they flew you out to their offices, etc etc. Writing has been on the wall for a long, long, long time. Almost everyone lost some $ in this deal.

I remember this, but it was not just Lensman, was a bunch of other big guys.

Glad it was you that brings up it and not me.

sexeducation · 10-13-2004, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Um, hello stupid little man in need of immediate medical attention.

Lensman doesn't own that database, Ibill does. And one would hope it's in his contract that they have to release it in case of default. Or that they will release it to him if he asks.

"little man" nope ..
"little playa" probably ...

wrong though ..

Those are LENSMAN CUSTOMERS ...they are LENSMANS RECEIPTS ... the are NOT the third processors information.

The processor only stored the information but did not collect it.
The collector owns the information NOT the processor.

That would be like saying the bank owns all the information to the customer cheques you deposited and not the company ..

Explain why this would be different in this case ..."little girl"..

10-13-2004, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by sexeducation
"little man" nope ..
"little playa" probably ...

wrong though ..

Those are LENSMAN CUSTOMERS ...they are LENSMANS RECEIPTS ... the are NOT the third processors information.

The processor only stored the information but did not collect it.
The collector owns the information NOT the processor.

That would be like saying the bank owns all the information to the customer cheques you deposited and not the company ..

Explain why this would be different in this case ..."little girl"..

Quit talking about stuff you know nothing about. You're the same idiot that thought NATS was a third party auditing system to prevent shaving.

sexeducation · 10-13-2004, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by evildick
Quit talking about stuff you know nothing about. You're the same idiot that thought NATS was a third party auditing system to prevent shaving.

Nats doesn't prevent shaving?
Or are you going to continue to quote 1 out of 20 posts about nats not "specifically" correct?

Does NATS in comparison to other programs - inhibit shaving?
YES or NO?

Webby · 10-13-2004, 04:54 PM

keyboard warrior:

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MarkIbill wont let you have any databases.

just ask him.

I'd think it just does not matter a damn what anyone at iBill thinks on databases - others can be asked for a judgement on this and have it imposed, whether iBill "like it" or not.

Tho.. there sure as plenty other problems, even if this is forthcoming! It still means "loss" at some level.

10-13-2004, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by sexeducation
Nats doesn't prevent shaving?
Or are you going to continue to quote 1 out of 20 posts about nats not "specifically" correct?

Does NATS in comparison to other programs - inhibit shaving?
YES or NO?

I already told you what NATS was in one of your other posts where you insisted on calling it a third party auditing system. Not my fault that your obvious reading disorder prevented you from grasping it.

I don't think you're the type of person that should be giving program owners advice.

LOL

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WarChild · 10-13-2004, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by sexeducation
"little man" nope ..
"little playa" probably ...

wrong though ..

Those are LENSMAN CUSTOMERS ...they are LENSMANS RECEIPTS ... the are NOT the third processors information.

The processor only stored the information but did not collect it.
The collector owns the information NOT the processor.

That would be like saying the bank owns all the information to the customer cheques you deposited and not the company ..

Explain why this would be different in this case ..."little girl"..

You are so stupid it's astounding really.

A THIRD PARTY BILLER COLLECTS ALL THE INFORMATION AND PASSES YOU AN APPROVAL OR A DECLINE. LENSMAN NEVER COLLECTED OR SAW THE CREDIT CARD INFORMATION FOR HIS CUSTOMERS.

Learn SOMETHING about the subject matter before opening your mouth.

sexeducation · 10-13-2004, 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by WarChild
You are so stupid it's astounding really.

A THIRD PARTY BILLER COLLECTS ALL THE INFORMATION AND PASSES YOU AN APPROVAL OR A DECLINE. LENSMAN NEVER COLLECTED OR SAW THE CREDIT CARD INFORMATION FOR HIS CUSTOMERS.

Learn SOMETHING about the subject matter before opening your mouth.

What is wrong with you?
If it wasn't for Lensman THEY WOULD HAVE NO INFORMATION !!!
He is the collector of the information - the third party processor has no right to deny HIS INFORMATION.

Answer this question, does a bank have the right to use your information, from cheques deposited, or does that information belong to the company which made the sale?

Answer the question!!

Steen2 · 10-13-2004, 05:22 PM

Can sexed be banned for being "too stupid"?

Juicy D. Links · 10-13-2004, 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Steen2
Can sexed be banned for being "too stupid"?

if that was the case then half og gfy would have to be axed also

WarChild · 10-13-2004, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by sexeducation
What is wrong with you?
If it wasn't for Lensman THEY WOULD HAVE NO INFORMATION !!!
He is the collector of the information - the third party processor has no right to deny HIS INFORMATION.

Answer this question, does a bank have the right to use your information, from cheques deposited, or does that information belong to the company which made the sale?

Answer the question!!

Sorry you're too stupid to argue with on this topic.

10-13-2004, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by sexeducation

He is the collector of the information - the third party processor has no right to deny HIS INFORMATION.

IBill collects the information you idiot. That is the problem.

sexeducation · 10-13-2004, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by Steen2
Can sexed be banned for being "too stupid"? What is wrong with you?

If it wasn't for Lensman THEY WOULD HAVE NO INFORMATION !!!
He is the collector of the information - the third party processor has no right to deny HIS INFORMATION.

Answer this question, does a bank have the right to use your information, from cheques deposited, or does that information belong to the company which made the sale?

Answer the question!!

hova · 10-13-2004, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by juicylinks
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sexeducation · 10-13-2004, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by evildick
IBill collects the information you idiot. That is the problem.

No - Lensman collects the sales and the information ...
iBill.com only processes it.

Are you now saying that iBill.com own's those sales?

Answer the question.

WarChild · 10-13-2004, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by sexeducation
No - Lensman collects the sales and the information ...
iBill.com only processes it.

Are you now saying that iBill.com own's those sales?

Answer the question.

No, Ibill collects the information on their servers, with their sign up page using their security certificate.

Lensman sends the surfer to them for the signup process.

Too stupid for words John.

CC · 10-13-2004, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by sexeducation
No - Lensman collects the sales and the information ...
iBill.com only processes it.

Are you now saying that iBill.com own's those sales?

Answer the question.

You are so stupid it's almost unbelievable.

10-13-2004, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by WarChild
No, Ibill collects the information on their servers, with their sign up page using their security certificate.

Lensman sends the surfer to them for the signup process.

Too stupid for words John.

Don't worry, you can write the 10 minutes down you just wasted explaining this to him on your resume under "Volunteer work: helping the mentally handicapped in my spare time."

sexeducation · 10-13-2004, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by WarChild
No, Ibill collects the information on their servers, with their sign up page using their security certificate.

Lensman sends the surfer to them for the signup process.

Too stupid for words John.

Lensman - initiates - the collection of the information - he chooses which place will hold that information.

He - initiates the sale.

NOT FUCKING IBILL.COM.

It's his information.

WarChild · 10-13-2004, 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by sexeducation
Lensman - initiates - the collection of the information - he chooses which place will hold that information.

He - initiates the sale.

NOT FUCKING IBILL.COM.

It's his information.

He initiates it is a damn site different than he collects it. Now isn't it?

Ibill.com collects the information. They can release the database to another billing company, but as I understand it not to an individual.

Now John, think about it for a second. If it were any other way, then third party billers wouldn't be a "secure" solution for the customer, now would it? The fact that paysite owners don't have your credit card number is a selling feature for customers.

That's all I'm going to explain to you about third party billing. You're so stupid you'll never be able to make any money so there's no sense wasting anymore time.

sexeducation · 10-13-2004, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by WarChild
He initiates it is a damn site different than he collects it. Now isn't it?

Ibill.com collects the information. They can release the database to another billing company, but as I understand it not to an individual.

Now John, think about it for a second. If it were any other way, then third party billers wouldn't be a "secure" solution for the customer, now would it? The fact that paysite owners don't have your credit card number is a selling feature for customers.

That's all I'm going to explain to you about third party billing. You're so stupid you'll never be able to make any money so there's no sense wasting anymore time.

iBill.com is a software program that collects and processes the receipts for Lensman's sales.

Unfortunately, like other software programs that PURPOSELY try to not let you export YOUR INFORMATION to the competitors software programs - Lensman got caught.

And this is the sole reason why iBill.com will now fold.
Individuals and corporatons are fucking tired of this tactic.

Bye bye - iBill.com ...

WarChild · 10-13-2004, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by sexeducation
iBill.com is a software program that collects and processes the receipts for Lensman's sales.

Unfortunately, like other software programs that PURPOSELY try to not let you export YOUR INFORMATION to the competitors software programs - Lensman got caught.

And this is the sole reason why iBill.com will now fold.
Individuals and corporatons are fucking tired of this tactic.

Bye bye - iBill.com ...

The expert has spoken.

sexeducation · 10-13-2004, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by WarChild
The expert has spoken.

Yes ...
I have some skills.

The first thing that I do when choosing a software program is examine the programs "EXPORTING" capabilities.

If the software can NOT export to a standard format ...

Don't buy it.

Because your firm/corporation will become hostage to them.

It's quite simple.

And after a decade of this strategy ... many many IT Mangers know of this tactic.

iBill.com - BYE BYE ...

Lensman has called your bluff and you will change your policy or you will fold.

Kimmykim · 10-13-2004, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation
Yes ...
I have some skills.

The first thing that I do when choosing a software program is examine the programs "EXPORTING" capabilities.

If the software can NOT export to a standard format ...

Don't buy it.

Because your firm/corporation will become hostage to them.

It's quite simple.

And after a decade of this strategy ... many many IT Mangers know of this tactic.

iBill.com - BYE BYE ...

Lensman has called your bluff and you will change your policy or you will fold.

YOU ARE SO STUPID IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY.

Ibill is not software, any more than CCBill or Paycom are software. Windows is software, Photoshop is software, IBill is NOT software you dumbass cocksucker. Now go and get some fucking medical attention immediately.

WarChild · 10-13-2004, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation
Yes ...
I have some skills.

The first thing that I do when choosing a software program is examine the programs "EXPORTING" capabilities.

If the software can NOT export to a standard format ...

Don't buy it.

Because your firm/corporation will become hostage to them.

It's quite simple.

And after a decade of this strategy ... many many IT Mangers know of this tactic.

iBill.com - BYE BYE ...

Lensman has called your bluff and you will change your policy or you will fold.

I know you won't understand this, but just so nobody else is confused by your bullshit I'll explain it a little more.

Ibill.com is not a software program. Ibill.com is a url for Ibill's third party billing solution.

Ibill has/had merchant accounts with banks that will accept high risk transactions (adult). You send customers to them for sign ups. They collect the information, bill the customer (with their merchant account), supply customer service to your end user (surfer), supply (in some cases) affiliate managment and pay your affiliates and manage your password database.

As I understand it, Visa/MC have a policy stating that collected customer credit card information can NOT be released to anybody but another billing company. That is, Lensman can't get a "copy" of the database. Lensman may be able to move his customer database to another biller.

So as you see, Ibill is not a "software program".

As always, John Beacock is clueless. Please don't pay him any mind in regards to anything important.

sexeducation · 10-13-2004, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation
Yes ...
I have some skills.

The first thing that I do when choosing a software program is examine the programs "EXPORTING" capabilities.

If the software can NOT export to a standard format ...

Don't buy it.

Because your firm/corporation will become hostage to them.

It's quite simple.

And after a decade of this strategy ... many many IT Mangers know of this tactic.

iBill.com - BYE BYE ...

Lensman has called your bluff and you will change your policy or you will fold.

iBill.com is exactly online software.
Nothing else.

They are just software that a corporation chooses to purchase online as they go.

Nothing else.

Kimmykim · 10-13-2004, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation
iBill.com is exactly online software.
Nothing else.

They are just software that a corporation chooses to purchase online as they go.

Nothing else.

You are so fucking stupid it's not even making us laugh any more.

Rochard · 10-13-2004, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
YOU ARE SO STUPID IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY.

Ibill is not software, any more than CCBill or Paycom are software. Windows is software, Photoshop is software, IBill is NOT software you dumbass cocksucker. Now go and get some fucking medical attention immediately.

SO FUCKING OWNED BY KIMMY KIM.

( I'm about 99.99% sure that KK knows what she's talking about!)

FaberX · 10-13-2004, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexeducation
iBill.com is exactly online software.
Nothing else.

They are just software that a corporation chooses to purchase online as they go.

Nothing else.

Shut the fuck up asshole! I've tried to stay away from your posts, but, here, people more knowledgeable than you are trying to explain you something. All you do is lick lens' asshole, and I'm sure if he wants it licked, he can get it licked by whoever he wants. Did you ever read a third party processing agreement? Once and for all, Ibill IS NOT Online Software, they are a fucking service provider, the merchant account is theirs, we as sponsored merchants are FORBIDDEN from doing data capturing.

pornstar2pac · 10-14-2004, 01:44 AM

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Originally posted by juicylinks
if that was the case then half og gfy would have to be axed also

Hey, I heard that

BRISK · 10-14-2004, 01:53 AM

sexed has got to be the most delusional person in the history of GFY

Drake · 10-14-2004, 01:54 AM

Now that that's settled. Where were we again? Oh right, recurring databases. That's it. Go on, discuss. Will Ibill be releasing them?

Hank_Heartland · 10-14-2004, 06:13 AM

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Originally posted by whatif_3
3rd party processors can release databases, if they wish,the issue is whether the new procesor is willing to take the risk by processing the imported transactions, that was the big issue when i had this done years ago, the files had to go directly from one processor to the other, i could not touch them

ibill can release them, and if their decision to hold onto them (in the hopes that there client will not move), costs you $$$, then you can attack them legally, but i am sure that the threat may be enough

its simple good business, dont take your clients rebills down with you, every day that those rebills are not rebilled, they are worth less

you are the only big program owner i have heard ask about this, either the other larger ones with much to lose have already done this, or are working on it quietly

Maybe we're not a big program, but we have the same problem with some old rebills

Hey Lensmen, let me know how it works out

SmokeyTheBear · 09-15-2005, 08:48 PM

i guess since i see ibills banner on gfy again , that they complied ? did they pay you all the money they owe you ?

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TonyL Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: "A measure of a man is his post count". Write that down. Posts: 900	It's not about Ibill. It's a visa/mastercard regulation. You cannot transfer the re-bill accounts in the manner you are suggesting. There may be a more creative solution. Perhaps something can be arranged in a "backroom-deal", there it can be done but not if visa/mastercard knows. And it's going to be hard to hide that kind of volume transfering to another merchant account. -Tony

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whatif_3 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 459	3rd party processors can release databases, if they wish,the issue is whether the new procesor is willing to take the risk by processing the imported transactions, that was the big issue when i had this done years ago, the files had to go directly from one processor to the other, i could not touch them ibill can release them, and if their decision to hold onto them (in the hopes that there client will not move), costs you $$$, then you can attack them legally, but i am sure that the threat may be enough its simple good business, dont take your clients rebills down with you, every day that those rebills are not rebilled, they are worth less you are the only big program owner i have heard ask about this, either the other larger ones with much to lose have already done this, or are working on it quietly

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Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Now that that's settled. Where were we again? Oh right, recurring databases. That's it. Go on, discuss. Will Ibill be releasing them?