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Project: Testing FREE hosts for TRAFFIC SKIMMING

08-17-2001, 01:31 AM

Since there was so much recent interest in the topic of free hosts potentially skimming foreign traffic, I thought I'd try to get the ball rolling on a GROUP PROJECT to test as many free hosts as possible and post the results.

Here's what you can do to help:

A) IF YOU LIVE IN THE US/CANADA
Post a list of free hosts plus 1 or 2 sample gallery links (after testing the gallery links to make sure that they display without a 404 error) and a VERY brief description of the gallery

Example:-

HOST: FreeHostZone.com
GALLERY: http://www3.freehostzone.com/~4free/30ako/cuteb.htm
DESC: b/w pictures of an asian model

B) IF YOU LIVE OUTSIDE THE US/CANADA
Visit the galleries as they are posted and record the result, along the country you are browsing from and your browser language.

Example

Host: FreeHostZone.com
Result: Could see gallery OK
Country: Japan
Browser language: English

NOTE: Result should be one of:-

1) Could see gallery OK
2) Could not see gallery - redirected to a dialer page
3) Could not see gallery - redirected to POPUP HELL!
4) Could not see gallery - redirected to a 404 page
5) Could not see gallery - redirected to OTHER

Yes, this looks like a lot of work, but by getting everyone to pitch in it will go much quicker.

Of course, if you think I'm just wasting everyone's time, then tell me to GFY!

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08-17-2001, 01:48 AM

to be blunt - i don't care if the freehost skims a little traffic - they are in business - not a public service.

ps. lightning - sorry old chap, but the big man has accepted another gallery
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08-17-2001, 01:56 AM

i think you need to find a new hobby

last week you were starting shit by saying maxcash and cen were not paying you..now this

why dont you spend your time making money?
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08-17-2001, 01:58 AM

I agree with Kat.

Who in their right mind thinks anything worth having is totally free? Get real and get over it. Move on.

If ya don't like what your free hoster does, then buy your own frigging domain and pay for your own damned bandwidth.

Sheesh...you kids crack me up.

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08-17-2001, 02:02 AM

marius - that grossly misrepresents my topic regarding cen and maxcash.

titmowse - my point is NOT (and never has been... read ALL my posts on the subject) an issue of liking/not liking what the free host is doing, it is of knowing/not knowing what they are doing. The "liking" issue is a personal one, and will vary depending on the individual.

Again, where am I attacking anyone - even the free hosts? All I am looking for is INFORMATION.

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08-17-2001, 02:10 AM

I think you should go buy your own domain and hosting.

then GFY
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08-17-2001, 02:11 AM

Intresting stuff ya do, keep up the good work.

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08-17-2001, 04:10 AM

Did I miss something? Is international dumbassweek?
There is nothing as a free hosting, you pay for webspace and bandwith with traffic or with money. Hiding the header of footer is stealing, redirecting is stealing, period. If a freehost owner is not able to convert the non-us traffic, he has to state this in his TOS, then every webmaster can decide if he will sign up or not. If the hostowner does not do this, he is a cheat.
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08-17-2001, 04:41 AM

Do I understand Titmouse and Kat correctly ...
It's OK for freehosts to FUCK PEOPLE OVER cause the freehost owner isn't smart enough to make his business a going concern ??
Heinz has it right.

Hey Lensman, it's OK to fuck ppl over if you have a bad quarter, no one will mind, honest, Titmouse and Kat say so!
( like it matters if it's a freehost or a sponsor doing the screwing ! )

Jeez ....

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08-17-2001, 04:54 AM

Yes, I've had the same reaction several times. Makes me wonder if the people saying it's OK to skim run/work for free hosting companies

And the answer "well, what do you expect, it's free" doesn't cut any ice with me. Last time I looked, there was more than one free hosting company - in fact, there are hundreds. And some clearly don't feel the need to skim. Others, well... the temptation may have proven too strong.

Of course, there is ALWAYS the option to pay for hosting - that's not under debate here. Seems some people are desperately keen to sidetrack the debate down a dozen blind alleys.

Anyway, if anyone is still following this debate and actually wants to H-E-L-P then please read my first post and get some URLs up so that they can be tested!

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08-17-2001, 05:13 AM

lmao, skimming isn't the same as fucking someone over - it's just skimming. When using a freehost you have to make your gallery / page stand out from the hosts banners or they get more clicks than your sponsors. That's pretty simple. As all my pages are written in English (and yeah, i know most countries speak better English - and certainly have a better concept of spelling - than the US) why am I going to be bothered if one of the hosts i use filter off traffic to a same language sponsor that might convert them?
Do I want 50'000 Outer Mongolians (as an example) surfers raping my bandwidth on my own site?
Would you like it on your site?
Why would a free host want them on their site?
If the freehost has set up a filter to redirect them to AmateurMongolianPages.com then that's fair play in my book.

What do you want for nothing?
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08-17-2001, 05:24 AM

As you will see, in this thread somebody talks about Swiss and Belgian traffic being redirected. Are those also groups of surfers you wouldn't want?
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ub...ML/008046.html

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08-17-2001, 05:28 AM

Kat - Do you smoke a lot of crack before posting?

This isnt about whether its right or wrong for a free host to skim traffic, let me repeat this real slow for you so that you can understand. This . isnt . about . whether . its . right . or . wrong . for . a . free . host . to . skim . traffic. Got that?

This is about which ones do it, and to what extreme. Then someone can make an informed decision when deciding what free host they want to go with.

I will test out a few galleries for ya gkk and post the results later today

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08-17-2001, 05:34 AM

Thanks, Rivux, both for reiterating the theme of this discussion so clearly, and for the gallery offer. If you're not in Japan, perhaps you could start by testing the galleries mentioned in this thread...
http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/cgi-bi...1&topic=007026

... see what kind of results they give ya!

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08-17-2001, 05:47 AM

Originally posted by Kat:
lmao, skimming isn't the same as fucking someone over - it's just skimming.

No, it isn't. Actually, the word "skimming" as it is used here is merely a white-washer's way of saying "stealing". Skimming, in this business, is stealing, no question about it, whether it's traffic, click-thrus or signups, let's call it what it is... theivery at it's worst. I wish you people would quit making excuses for theives. I see another thread here that's all about how Microsoft is planning to "skim" all of our site's traffic by placing little keyword tags into our html pages, and I see an immediate reaction to that practice. HOW THE FUCK IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT???

What do you want for nothing?

I don't know about anyone else, but I want what's stated in the TOS of these sites, exactly and to the letter, and I definitely DON'T want to be "skimmed"

And just to be contraversial, what makes you think there aren't a few paid hosts out there skimming things or embellishing on b/w usage or what-have-you?? I'm sure it happens, wouldn't you like to know if it was happening to you?

You kids make ME laugh. To counsel others that skimming is not stealing is.....naive.

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08-17-2001, 05:52 AM

Rivux - I was replying to thricedead.

I understand what the project is about.
I read the evil CJ board posts and I agree entirely on the fact we should be informed in the TOS - and when are the CJ tgp's going to state that they filter on their submission page, or maybe what the %redirect they use? Or the sponsors? - everyone that gets big traffic has got filters on, and yeah i would be interested to know who and how many surfers it turns out to be.
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08-17-2001, 06:54 AM

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lmao, skimming isn't the same as fucking someone over - it's just skimming
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Would I be correct in stating that IN YOUR OPINION that nothing offered as FREE need be honest?, and that any DISHONESTY should not be either discussed or, indeed, revealed, because it's everyone knows what FREE means(Sic)?
And this opinion is posted on a board read by numerous newbies and wannabe's ...

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08-17-2001, 07:41 AM

Do you pay for the 'free' hosting?
Yes. You give up screen space. It's in the TOS.
Has anyone asked about skimming before? Yes. When the search thing works you'll be able to read a few posts on it.
You don't like the fact it wasn't mentioned in the TOS?
I'm not over the moon about either.

Foreign traffic redirect services have been mentioned/advertised on this board before and I'd be very surprised if this hasn't been going on for some time.

To answer your question - I don't think that anything free has no (hidden)catches.
And as for exposing dishonesty - i am all for it - i just want it put in perspective, remember I am at the bottom of the chain after the search engine, tgp, freehost have had their skim.
Do I have a right to know how much a % redirect a tgp has written into the script?
Do I have a right to know if the tgp has a foreign surfer filter?
Do I have the right to know if the sponsor i have finally sent that last surfer i have left gets whisked away in a chain of pop-ups to lose my refer id?
Ya - sure i do. Will i ever know? will i fuck. This is commerce and it's all about making money - and those who make the most obviously say the least!
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08-17-2001, 11:17 AM

can i skim someone? email me if you want to be skimmed, we'll hook it up!
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08-17-2001, 11:41 AM

I guess it'd be a whole different world being the "skimmer" as opposed to the "skimmee"

Let's ask SkimmySkim
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08-17-2001, 11:55 AM

Gkk,

Hey man you need to find yourself a new hobby. I think you are very bored. In this thread http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ub...ML/007468.html you write a script and distribute it to many webmasters that redirects foreign traffic. And then you go and post on this thread http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ub...ML/007978.html that you have about 1.5k of Japanese traffic that you redirect and you are also looking to redirect you Korean traffic. And the last couple of days all I see is you bashing on other free hosts. Get a life man and find yourself a new hobby!

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08-17-2001, 12:09 PM

Considering that the Japanese all learn English nowadays is it wise to shove them on a dialer? If they can read English it might be more valuable to leave them alone. Or so I have read that they are all required to take and pass in school.

Koreans, I don't know about. I know they leach alot of BW as do the Chinese. It might make sense to shove them to dialers. But I have a feeling that the Chinese wouldn't use them since they really aren't supposed to be surfing our adult content anyway.

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08-17-2001, 12:45 PM

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08-17-2001, 01:07 PM

I agree that free is free and they can do anything. BUT, there is a big difference between free host and free host which is lying to you and redirects your traffic. So, if you ever need free hosting for that reason or another, its better to choose free host without that nasty redirecting 'feature'.
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08-17-2001, 02:32 PM

3000GTVR4, again if you actually *read* the other posts whose URLs you posted, you'll see that I offered the language traffic filtering script in a different context.

I am not operating a free host. The traffic that I filter by language is coming to a hosting account that I pay for each month, hosted by Blue Gravity. I don't have any reciprocal agreements dictating what I should do (or not do) with my traffic, nor do I provide any services to 3rd parties.

I continue to be amazed at how far some people are willing to try and distort the facts and information which is right in front of them.

Incidentally, if you read ALL the threads, you'll see that I *never* had to stoop to insulting anyone in order to make my points - try it sometime, it could be refreshing!

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08-17-2001, 02:34 PM

Oh, and I don't know what language you were using for your second post, but it just shows up as illegible garbage on my screen.

Again, as I have posted elsewhere, I have an all-English PC environment. Just because I happen to live in Japan right now doesn't mean that I automatically can read Japanese!

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08-17-2001, 06:02 PM

Ahhh, the answer is so simple.

Quit using freehosts and pay for some hosting. If everyone had to pay for shit then this industry could have conversions that weren't in the toilet...
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08-17-2001, 06:29 PM

Good answer SkimmySkim!

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08-17-2001, 06:31 PM

Well ya know Bruce, I never have used freehosting. So yeah, its a good answer considering I always made more than the bills.
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08-17-2001, 09:13 PM

It's allways amazing to see who shows sympathy with thieves and cheaters.
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08-17-2001, 09:42 PM

I know you weren't talking to me Heinz...

If I had to count how many thieves and cheaters USED freehosts to cheat and steal, well, I know I dont have enough fingers and toes to even figure out the power I'd have to multiply to...
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08-18-2001, 04:52 AM

Absolutly wrong.
Stealing is stealing, it doesn't matter from a free host or a pay host (if you ask at the tgpowner-board, who are the greatest cheater, they will show you some lists from ppl with some 100 domains on payhosting).

Last year there was a post at the awi board: the word "free" is hurting the adult biz more than anything else. And that's right. It's right for the surfer and it's right for the webmaster: There is nothing for free for an adult webmaster. My free content from a sponsor is not free, my free hosting is not free, my free counter is not free, my free scripts are not free. It's allways a contract, and both parties have to give. The party that breaks the contract - that's the cheat.

To end this senseless threads: 2 weeks ago I was reading on a german webmasterboard. And guess what: they are bitching about the unproductive US-traffic. I looked at some sites, and there were some sites without an english written join page, and there were some sites where you could not pay with a credit card.
I think it is in both cases the same: if you wanna sell something, you have to open the door, not to close.
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