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Old 10-11-2004, 03:02 AM   #1
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Kerry's done for - Sinclair stations to air anti-Kerry film

The fucking right wing media is going to decide this election.

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Sinclair Broadcast Group of Maryland, owner of the largest chain of television stations in the nation, plans to preempt regular programming two weeks before the Nov. 2 election to air a documentary that accuses Sen. John F. Kerry of betraying American prisoners during the Vietnam War.

Sinclair has ordered its 62 stations, some of which are in the critical swing states of Ohio, Florida, Iowa and Wisconsin, to air "Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal" during prime-time hours next week. The Sinclair station group collectively reaches 24 percent of U.S. television households.

"Stolen Honor" focuses on Kerry's antiwar testimony to Congress in 1971 and its effect on American POWs in Vietnam. Kerry testified that U.S. forces routinely committed atrocities in Vietnam. The film, produced independently of Sinclair, includes interviews with former POWs who say their Vietnamese captors used Kerry's comments to undercut prisoner morale.

Sinclair, based in the Baltimore suburb of Hunt Valley, decided to air the film after it was rejected for airing by the major broadcast networks, vice president Mark Hyman said. "This is a powerful story," Hyman said. "The networks are acting like Holocaust deniers and pretending [the POWs] don't exist. It would be irresponsible to ignore them."

Kerry campaign spokesman David Wade yesterday called the film "lies" and "a smear" and characterized Sinclair as "another one of President Bush's powerful corporate friends trying to help him."

Hyman said Sinclair has invited Kerry to appear on a discussion program after the broadcast, but Kerry's campaign has declined. The invitation to Kerry could help Sinclair satisfy federal requirements to provide "equal time" to candidates in an election.

Sinclair's top executives, including members of the controlling Smith family, have been strong financial supporters of Bush's campaign. The company made news in April when it ordered seven of its ABC-affiliated stations not to air a "Nightline" segment that featured a reading of the names of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq; a Sinclair executive called that broadcast "contrary to the public interest."

Sinclair also is one of the few station-group owners that puts corporate opinion on its local newscasts. Hyman delivers conservative commentaries called "The Point."

The "Stolen Honor" documentary, which was released in early September, raises many of the same issues brought up by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, an anti-Kerry group that has run ads in battleground states criticizing Kerry's wartime record and antiwar activities, especially his 1971 testimony.

The documentary's producer ? a small production company in Harrisburg, Pa., headed by a former journalist, Carlton Sherwood ? has no official connection to the Swift boat group. However, one of the POWs in the film, Paul Galanti, has appeared in a Swift boat ad.
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Old 10-12-2004, 02:22 AM   #2
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do you know whats the motive behind all these?
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yeah and if you want to sign the petition to stop it please go here:

http://www.stopsinclair.org/index.php

as i post this 12950 people have signed it since this morning!
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Old 10-12-2004, 02:26 AM   #4
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yeah and if you want to sign the petition to stop it please go here:

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as i post this 12950 people have signed it since this morning!
ummmm, do you really think Sinclair cares how many people sign that petition? And is there anything easier to cheat on than an online petition?
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ummmm, do you really think Sinclair cares how many people sign that petition? And is there anything easier to cheat on than an online petition?
Well its being brought to the FEC and it is totally illeagal what they are doing.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2003/11cfr100.29.htm

Im hoping that the petition works but I dont think it will.
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Old 10-12-2004, 02:30 AM   #6
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refresh my memory
weren't these the same stations that refused to air the Nightline special that listed all of the soldiers killed in Iraq?
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refresh my memory
weren't these the same stations that refused to air the Nightline special that listed all of the soldiers killed in Iraq?
yep it is. They also refused to show a anti bush comercial as well!
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Old 10-12-2004, 02:35 AM   #8
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I signed it ...it took about 2 seconds and it can't hurt
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I signed it ...it took about 2 seconds and it can't hurt
Thank you!! Its not my petetion, but I support it!!!
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Well its being brought to the FEC and it is totally illeagal what they are doing.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2003/11cfr100.29.htm

Im hoping that the petition works but I dont think it will.
okay, it is too late for me to read and comprehend what the violation is, can you direct me to the section that applies please
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okay, it is too late for me to read and comprehend what the violation is, can you direct me to the section that applies please
Basically to make a long story short within 30 days of an election you cant have anti stuff that reaches more than 50,000 at one time. Also anythign that is targeted to a particular candidate. ( Broadcast, cable, or satellite communication means a communication that is publicly distributed by a television station, radio station, cable television system, or satellite
system. And before you go into it, f911 only shows short commercials. Already been through that today.
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Basically to make a long story short within 30 days of an election you cant have anti stuff that reaches more than 50,000 at one time. Also anythign that is targeted to a particular candidate. ( Broadcast, cable, or satellite communication means a communication that is publicly distributed by a television station, radio station, cable television system, or satellite
system. And before you go into it, f911 only shows short commercials. Already been through that today.
Yes.. I have heard this as well.. that is why shows cannot air anti candidate stuff without saying something bad about the other candidate as well.. they have to give equal airtime and such as well...
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Yes.. I have heard this as well.. that is why shows cannot air anti candidate stuff without saying something bad about the other candidate as well.. they have to give equal airtime and such as well...
yep I agree I sent an email to sinclair which will probably go in the trash, but one of the lines in it was are you goign to air F911 as well.
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Do you really believe this is the first time the media and big business decided who you should vote for?

Been happening foy years and until the US gets tough with the medai it will continue to happen.

Did you know in the UK politacal paties are only allotted a certain amount of TV time each to put over their message and no advertising. Also the budgets are very strictly controlled.

Who says you can't buy the Presidency?
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Old 10-12-2004, 03:37 AM   #15
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I really can't tell any difference from this and F911.


You attacked somebody with a stick and now you are freaking out that they came back swinging with a bat. Crying "no fair"

I guarantee another 50,000 people will see F911 from now until November.

The DVD just went on sale and Moore gave permission for the world to pirate the movie.
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Moore does it and everyone calls him a Brilliant film maker and crusader for the just. Sinclair does it and everyone gets their panties into a bunch and hurries to sign an online petition to boycott it.

Fucking hypocrites.
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Fahrenheit 9/11 is showing on tv? Damn, how hypocritical. I thought it was a dvd that people had to pay for.

You know, I could use the same logic to make the opposite point - you right wingers went nuts over Moore's documentary, but you seem to be in defense mode over this.
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sounds like kerry supporters are being hypocrites
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sounds like kerry supporters are being hypocrites
Sounds like Bush supporters are being hypocrites. Wow, this really does work both ways.
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I wonder how many servers with the movie available for download will go down? How many surfers will take the time to find the movie for download? How many people will be inclined to go out & buy the movie?


People had to pay to go watch Farenheit911. Sinclair is serving this movie to them in their homes - no paying - no downloading - it's being spoonfed to them on their local stations. There's a big difference.
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other stations should pay royalty to Moore and play his movie along side - its stupid that Bush and his friends are that desparate. especially after the debates when Kerry's record is sound. The movie is going to make Bush look stupid and a crying baby for not getting his way
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I really can't tell any difference from this and F911.


You attacked somebody with a stick and now you are freaking out that they came back swinging with a bat. Crying "no fair"

I guarantee another 50,000 people will see F911 from now until November.

The DVD just went on sale and Moore gave permission for the world to pirate the movie.
do you have a link where he gives that permission to pirate the movie?
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other stations should pay royalty to Moore and play his movie along side - its stupid that Bush and his friends are that desparate. especially after the debates when Kerry's record is sound. The movie is going to make Bush look stupid and a crying baby for not getting his way


Kerry's record is sound?
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do you have a link where he gives that permission to pirate the movie?
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http://www.sundayherald.com/43167
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Last I checked Moores film wasn't jammed down america's throat for free with no commercials in primetime.
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Last I checked Moores film wasn't jammed down america's throat for free with no commercials in primetime.
This may be true but you can't tell me that the Kerry flick is getting ANYWHERE near the same publicity as F-911 did.

Unless ALL the networks run it like a debate or presidential address, you can simply turn the channel and choose not to watch.

I see it as a rebuttal. Nothing more, nothing less.

If F-911 had never been released and this Kerry film was available on PPV the night before the election, would that have been okay?

P.S. Oh, while I'm Canadian, I want GWB out of office as well. So don't bother flaming me for being a right-wing fanatic. Feel free to flame me for being a rational thinker though (At least when sober).
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Yes it would be OK because Pay Per View requires a choice.

This is a clear case of political bias on the part of a large media company who is trying to bend the laws so they can get you to vote the way they want you to vote.

This has nothing in common with a Movie that played in movie theaters and has run the gammut and is now available on DVD and *will* be available via Pay Per View.

I know the comparison is hard to resist, but it's not even close.

This will be a 90 minute commercial-free negative attack advertisement, and the Kerry camp has already said that if Sinclair would give them 90 minute commercial free airtime, then they may agree to that as "equal time". So far, Sinclair has offered to let Kerry speak for a while after the neg-info-mercial, but thats not been acceptable as it's nowhere near "equal".
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Moore does it and everyone calls him a Brilliant film maker and crusader for the just. Sinclair does it and everyone gets their panties into a bunch and hurries to sign an online petition to boycott it.

Fucking hypocrites.
Film in a movie theater or on DVD is much different than if it were being shown on public airwaves...has nothing to do with hypocricy.
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I really can't tell any difference from this and F911.


That's obviously becuase you lack logical thinking skills.

If you can't see the difference between anti-bush film being released in theaters or dvd, which you must get off your ass and go pay for eaither way, and a media giant forcing television stations to broadcast anti-kerry propoganda into millions of home commercial free, then you are a lost cause.
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Moore does it and everyone calls him a Brilliant film maker and crusader for the just. Sinclair does it and everyone gets their panties into a bunch and hurries to sign an online petition to boycott it.

Fucking hypocrites.


See above post. Applies to you as well.
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Yes it would be OK because Pay Per View requires a choice.
Unless you have a single channel and a gun to your head, all TV is a choice.
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Unless you have a single channel and a gun to your head, all TV is a choice.
Of course, but there's a difference between putting something on PUBLIC OWNED AIRWAVES FOR FREE vs a movie theater, vs a DVD, vs Pay Per View.
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Of course, but there's a difference between putting something on PUBLIC OWNED AIRWAVES FOR FREE vs a movie theater, vs a DVD, vs Pay Per View.
ofcourse there is.. you are right.. cant understand why others dont agree here
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Of course, but there's a difference between putting something on PUBLIC OWNED AIRWAVES FOR FREE vs a movie theater, vs a DVD, vs Pay Per View.
This is true. And since Kerry is the object of attack in this 90 minute commercial-free campaign ad, he should get to choose what fills up an equivalent amount of time in a similar time slot.
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yeah and if you want to sign the petition to stop it please go here:

http://www.stopsinclair.org/index.php

as i post this 12950 people have signed it since this morning!

yes everyone plz signe the petition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think that petition is un-American.

I'd sign a petition that insists election laws be followed and equal time be given to the other side.
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especially after the debates when Kerry's record is sound
Once again you have proven just how dillusional you are.

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Last I checked Moores film wasn't jammed down america's throat for free with no commercials in primetime.
That's because the DVD distributor doesn't want it to happen

If there's an FCC law to prevent this from being shown, they won't be allowed to show it. Period.

Kerry supporters must have a lot of faith in the him if they think a 90 minute film will lose him the election..........

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Old 10-12-2004, 08:36 AM   #42
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Moore does it and everyone calls him a Brilliant film maker and crusader for the just. Sinclair does it and everyone gets their panties into a bunch and hurries to sign an online petition to boycott it.

Fucking hypocrites.
F911 was about sept 11th, this movie by sinclair has one motive, to make kerry look bad.
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That's because the DVD distributor doesn't want it to happen

If there's an FCC law to prevent this from being shown, they won't be allowed to show it. Period.

Kerry supporters must have a lot of faith in the him if they think a 90 film will lose him the election..........


Well it's not that we dont have faith in Kerry, it's that we don't have faith in about the 50 percent of this country that are brain-dead Bush supporters, add that to the small percentage of moron undecideds, and you could get worried about a 90 minute propoganda piece being shown in swing states and how it might affect the election.
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F911 was about sept 11th, this movie by sinclair has one motive, to make kerry look bad.
Moore has said many times he made that movie to get Bush out of office.

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It would seem to me that this would actually work in Kerry's favor in a lot of cases, because people will be outraged at the blatant display of republican power over the media.
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Moore has said many times he made that movie to get Bush out of office.
Thats very true ,but it wasnt presented on prime time commercial free. Also he backed up what he said it wasnt hearsay and people with a grudge..
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I think this is a year people should just say screw it and vote for a 3rd party.

I don't like Kerry. The things he did when he came back from Nam are disgraceful. The things he said in the senate, giving away his medals, giving the north motivation to do bad things to our pows, protesting with Jane Fonda. That is not conduct becoming of a commander in chief. He has continually been named the most liberal member of the senate. We need a moderate.

A lot of Bush's policies I agree with, but I think we need to get away from fighting Israels wars. Everday americans shouldn't have to live in fear and die because the the arab world hates the jews.
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It would seem to me that this would actually work in Kerry's favor in a lot of cases, because people will be outraged at the blatant display of republican power over the media.
Average person probably wouldn't even know about the controversy.
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