What Is It About Bush Supporters? - GoFuckYourself.com

Vendot · 10-06-2004, 08:14 AM

Coming from the UK perspective, I think everyone in this country (UK) is praying that Kerry wins but Ive been asking friends, acquaintances and even some americans about their views and Ive noticed that:

It's mostly the less intelligent or the ill informed that support George W Bush.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Whenever I tried to debate a Bush supporter, the debate always ended quickly because the Bush supporter either was unable to engage in a reasoned debate or just lost the debate outright but yet it didnt sway their decision.

Interesting hypothesis because if this theory can be proven true then a Bush victory might indicate that the majority of American voters were dumbos.

drctfiesta · 10-06-2004, 08:16 AM

Alex From San Diego · 10-06-2004, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vendot
Coming from the UK perspective, I think everyone in this country (UK) is praying that Kerry wins but Ive been asking friends, acquaintances and even some americans about their views and Ive noticed that:

It's mostly the less intelligent or the ill informed that support George W Bush.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Whenever I tried to debate a Bush supporter, the debate always ended quickly because the Bush supporter either was unable to engage in a reasoned debate or just lost the debate outright but yet it didnt sway their decision.

Interesting hypothesis because if this theory can be proven true then a Bush victory might indicate that the majority of American voters were dumbos.

Can you please delineate what Kerrys platform is? Why do you think he would make a better president than Bush?

Do you even know what Kerry/Edwards voting records are as senators over their carreers?

Before he was even on the ticket with Kerry and was running for the Democrat nomination, do you realize he had this to say in a speech while in Iowa?

"You need to hear it directly from me. I believe in this cause. I believe we're doing the right thing in Iraq. I know there are a lot of you who will disagree with that." the AP quoted Edwards as saying. Edwards was also quoted as saying he would "cede nothing" to President Bush on any issue, and declared that "we have to show that we will fight every step of the way," a possible reference to his party's "soft on national security" image.

To me it sounded like he has changed his tune since being on the Kerry ticket. Could it be he has his own personal agenda as a priority over the United States?

Johny Traffic · 10-06-2004, 09:08 AM

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Coming from the UK perspective, I think everyone in this country (UK) is praying that Kerry wins but Ive been asking friends, acquaintances and even some americans about their views and Ive noticed that:

Im also from the UK and I havnt spoken to anyone who gives a flying fuck about who the next president will be

Downtime · 10-06-2004, 09:27 AM

I'm a proud Bush supporter and I'll have a double-major degree (political science and spanish) this May from a major university. I don't consider myself dumb. I also run my own business, and am the president of my 65-man fraternity.

jawanda · 10-06-2004, 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by Downtime
and am the president of my 65-man fraternity.

I knew that something stupid was going to come out of your mouth.

See, with Bush supporters it's not that they are all unintelligent. Some of them are very 'intelligent' but have little or no common sense.

Rexk · 10-06-2004, 09:36 AM

Most people in the U.S dont give a shit what the rest of the world thinks about us...We are not here to win a popularity contest...we are here to protect ourselves...

Alex From San Diego · 10-06-2004, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by jawanda
I knew that something stupid was going to come out of your mouth.

See, with Bush supporters it's not that they are all unintelligent. Some of them are very 'intelligent' but have little or no common sense.

Show me your intelligence by answering my questions at the top of this thread.

jawanda · 10-06-2004, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by Rexk
Most people in the U.S dont give a shit what the rest of the world thinks about us...We are not here to win a popularity contest...we are here to protect ourselves...

Most Bush supporters, you mean. Not most Americans.

Many Americans realize that we cannot survive on our own.
That without the rest of the world, all of our power and wealth means nothing.
That we are not ALONE on this earth, and we cannot make a major decision for our nation without affecting the rest of the world.
That the suffering of the masses IS our problem, simply because we are human beings and we have the potential and the opportunity to alleviate some of that suffering.

Some of us even have the ability to take a step back and put ourselves in someone else's shoes.

Please, speak for yourself.

-p

GatorB · 10-06-2004, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by vendot

Interesting hypothesis because if this theory can be proven true then a Bush victory might indicate that the majority of American voters were dumbos.

We if you looks at the 2000 resluts the majority of Americans in fact did NOT vote for Bush. But America doesn't elected Presidents that way. Which in it'self is reatrded. The current system is practically set up for a republican win every 4 years.

Illinois( DEM territroy ) 12.4 mil popualtion 21 electoral votes

Idaho, Montana, South Dakota, North Dakota, Nebraska( REPUB territory ) COMBINED 5.8 million population 21 electoral votes.

Massachusetts( DEM territory ) 6.3 million population 12 electoral votes

How can states that have less than half the popualtion of another state have the SAME electoral power? How can states than have the same popualtion of another have TWICE the electoral power?

If we are going to keep this arcane system then it needs to be tweaked.

GatorB · 10-06-2004, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by Downtime
I'm a proud Bush supporter and I'll have a double-major degree (political science and spanish) this May from a major university.

I know plenty or dipshits that went to college and got a piece of paper.

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I don't consider myself dumb.

Most drug addicts deny they are addicts

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I also run my own business, and am the president of my 65-man fraternity.

So? And that means what? I think MOST of here run our own businesses. Fraternity? Who cares. Color me unimpressed.

You sound like another dude over at the ESPN messageboards. He's loves Bush and he jusitfies his views with "I have a degree therefore I'm right" crap. Anyone that disagrees with him is a "BFI garbage truck driver" or a "owned fag"

DavidVH · 10-06-2004, 10:25 AM

my dads neo republican

hes never given me a solid answer why.

tony286 · 10-06-2004, 10:27 AM

its very sad but true lots of sheep .

boobmaster · 10-06-2004, 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by vendot
It's mostly the less intelligent or the ill informed that support George W Bush.

beergood · 10-06-2004, 10:46 AM

I don't think I'd call myself a "Bush Supporter" but I believe he is a better candidate than Kerry simply in that Kerry is not a better candidate.

Kerry's voting record is shoddy as best and I believe him less than any other candidate I've seen since I've been old enough to vote.

I think that the incumbent will do just as well for the next term and will also alow for 2 new choices instead of 1 during the next election.(I hate the 2 party system)

boobmaster · 10-06-2004, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by beergood
I don't think I'd call myself a "Bush Supporter" but I believe he is a better candidate than Kerry simply in that Kerry is not a better candidate.

Kerry's voting record is shoddy as best and I believe him less than any other candidate I've seen since I've been old enough to vote.

I think that the incumbent will do just as well for the next term and will also alow for 2 new choices instead of 1 during the next election.(I hate the 2 party system)

The Canadians will hate you for saying this.

rett11 · 10-06-2004, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
Can you please delineate what Kerrys platform is? Why do you think he would make a better president than Bush?

Do you even know what Kerry/Edwards voting records are as senators over their carreers?

Before he was even on the ticket with Kerry and was running for the Democrat nomination, do you realize he had this to say in a speech while in Iowa?

"You need to hear it directly from me. I believe in this cause. I believe we're doing the right thing in Iraq. I know there are a lot of you who will disagree with that." the AP quoted Edwards as saying. Edwards was also quoted as saying he would "cede nothing" to President Bush on any issue, and declared that "we have to show that we will fight every step of the way," a possible reference to his party's "soft on national security" image.

To me it sounded like he has changed his tune since being on the Kerry ticket. Could it be he has his own personal agenda as a priority over the United States?

It's not that either has changed for political gain....they have both realized that the war is a farce and is doing this country more harm than good, both here and especially abroad. If all our Presidents were steadfast and didn't change their minds with changing circumstances, we would still be in Korea and Vietnam...

beergood · 10-06-2004, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vendot
Coming from the UK perspective, I think everyone in this country (UK) is praying that Kerry wins but Ive been asking friends, acquaintances and even some americans about their views and Ive noticed that:

It's mostly the less intelligent or the ill informed that support George W Bush.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Whenever I tried to debate a Bush supporter, the debate always ended quickly because the Bush supporter either was unable to engage in a reasoned debate or just lost the debate outright but yet it didnt sway their decision.

Interesting hypothesis because if this theory can be proven true then a Bush victory might indicate that the majority of American voters were dumbos.

Also I've noticed more times than not that people arguing in favor of Kerry don't do so because they believe he'll be a great president they do so because they dislike Bush. Its never on the issues as well. The argument is simply vote for Kerry because I believe Bush is an idiot. Every Kerry supporter I've talked to thus far has simply presented some "Kerry Party Platform Spin" thats been repeated over and over. Each time its been easily refuted by the man's voting record. This doesn't make me want to vote for someone.

The only reason I'd have to vote for Kerry is my business in the Adult industry and in the long term thats a bad reason in that the percentage of my money coming in from Adult is shrinking due to opportunites elsewhere.

ItBurnsWhenIpee · 10-06-2004, 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by GatorB
We if you looks at the 2000 resluts the majority of Americans in fact did NOT vote for Bush. But America doesn't elected Presidents that way. Which in it'self is reatrded. The current system is practically set up for a republican win every 4 years.

Illinois( DEM territroy ) 12.4 mil popualtion 21 electoral votes

Idaho, Montana, South Dakota, North Dakota, Nebraska( REPUB territory ) COMBINED 5.8 million population 21 electoral votes.

Massachusetts( DEM territory ) 6.3 million population 12 electoral votes

How can states that have less than half the popualtion of another state have the SAME electoral power? How can states than have the same popualtion of another have TWICE the electoral power?

If we are going to keep this arcane system then it needs to be tweaked.

I agree with you about the system, but I think you're wrong about Idaho. Check out http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Pretty sure it says Idaho has 4 votes

rett11 · 10-06-2004, 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by beergood
Also I've noticed more times than not that people arguing in favor of Kerry don't do so because they believe he'll be a great president they do so because they dislike Bush. Its never on the issues as well. The argument is simply vote for Kerry because I believe Bush is an idiot. Every Kerry supporter I've talked to thus far has simply presented some "Kerry Party Platform Spin" thats been repeated over and over. Each time its been easily refuted by the man's voting record. This doesn't make me want to vote for someone.

The only reason I'd have to vote for Kerry is my business in the Adult industry and in the long term thats a bad reason in that the percentage of my money coming in from Adult is shrinking due to opportunites elsewhere.

Talking about Kerry's voting record IS campaign spin. Cheney's voting record is so bad, he didn't even have a defense for it last nite.

Kerry's platform is simple...finish what we started in Iraq while trying to gain some of our lost worldwide respect. If we don't do this, we will be at 'war' until there is no America. Also, our economy is hanging by threads right now. And, of course, the environment. Bush has set us back 50 years on the environment because he's caved to his big corp buddies. Is this shit hard to understand?

extreme_spaz · 10-06-2004, 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by vendot
Coming from the UK perspective, I think everyone in this country (UK) is praying that Kerry wins but Ive been asking friends, acquaintances and even some americans about their views and Ive noticed that:

It's mostly the less intelligent or the ill informed that support George W Bush.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Whenever I tried to debate a Bush supporter, the debate always ended quickly because the Bush supporter either was unable to engage in a reasoned debate or just lost the debate outright but yet it didnt sway their decision.

Interesting hypothesis because if this theory can be proven true then a Bush victory might indicate that the majority of American voters were dumbos.

who wins the eledction in the US IMHO is usually the person who can look the best on tv and has a lot of skill with spin and soundbites.
I am not making any judgements about anyone on this board because i am not a regular here, but I think the majority of the population here (in the US) tend to have the attention span of a mildly retarded first grader. People tend to think that what is happening in their life is more important then paying attention or doing the research nessesary to really find out what each canidate is really like. They catch a campaign commercial here and there and maybe watch face the nation once or twice (only on election year mind you) and they make their descision for the most powerful person in the world based on that.
It's sad, but thats really the way I see it. BTW, I will be casting my vote for Kerry.......and if you want to know why it is because I believe Bush lied to us to invade Iraq (a descision of his I agreed with at the time) and I think he is attempting, and has succeeded in a limited capacity, to turn this country into a theocracy.

spaz

mardigras · 10-06-2004, 11:18 AM

One of the biggest things to worry about a Bush re-election is retiring Supreme Court judges.

Rich · 10-06-2004, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by Rich

http://www.newamericancentury.org

I'd love to find at least one Bush or Cheney supporter who has read that and is actually willing to debate the issues presented, but unfortunately I have not. I've never come across an educated Bush supporter who's willing to share his opinion on the neo-con policy. It's something I'd love to debate but it seems all the Bush voters are from the Fox News/Rush Limbaugh school of "Bush is tough, Kerry's a pussy, France should be invaded, nuke the middle east, tax cuts mean everything, I have no idea what deficit means" type bullshit. It's a shame because that's not really what this election is about. If people who voted for Bush actually understood the policy of this administration I wouldn't think so little of them.

Bush supporters are great at telling us how stupid we are and how great Bush is, that we're blinded by the "liberal media", etc etc etc, but for some reason every time someone asks them a serious question they have no answer.

Ironhorse · 10-06-2004, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vendot
Coming from the UK perspective, I think everyone in this country (UK) is praying that Kerry wins but Ive been asking friends, acquaintances and even some americans about their views and Ive noticed that:

It's mostly the less intelligent or the ill informed that support George W Bush.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Whenever I tried to debate a Bush supporter, the debate always ended quickly because the Bush supporter either was unable to engage in a reasoned debate or just lost the debate outright but yet it didnt sway their decision.

Interesting hypothesis because if this theory can be proven true then a Bush victory might indicate that the majority of American voters were dumbos.

Man, I'm not a Bush supporter at all, but no offense, with these kinds of theories the only thing you are proving is that YOU are a dumbo..

reynold · 10-07-2004, 03:17 AM

to all the supporters of all this presidential aspirant... fight for what you believe is right.This is the real essence of the democracy.

jayeff · 10-07-2004, 03:49 AM

We end up with a puppet no matter who we elect and what either party actually does while in power doesn't have a whole lot to do with what in theory they stand for. Whoever we elect will have scored most of his votes based on tradition and bias. The vast majority of the relatively few people who do switch their vote will have been swayed by a mix of outright lies, half-truths and omissions.

Knowing all of that, yet debating the election as if it actually matters, doesn't make any of us too smart. Throw in that for at least 100 years peope have been listening to the same empty promises about education, health and the other "staples" of election time. Yet every 4 years we buy into them all over again. We accept the myth that we have small government (or at least we still apparently believe we don't have big government, since the threat of it still scares people). We swing between understanding that low taxes do not help the economy grow (usually when it is doing badly), to demanding lower taxes (when everything has been running smoothly for a while).

We knew of George Bush through his father, but how many of us knew anything about him personally before we made him president? How many people had even heard of John Kerry until a few months ago? The only thing most of us know is that every presidential candidate has been bought and paid for, long before the election decides who gets to bring his friends to the trough for the next 4 years.

As I said, I don't think any of us are too smart when you come right down to it...

webmaster x · 10-07-2004, 03:51 AM

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XP · 10-07-2004, 04:16 AM

I never liked Al Gore, because he is Anti-Muslim, he could start a religion war in diplomatic ways

But, he couldn't be worse than Bush. No one could be worse than Bush in whole Galaxy! He is a brainless Ape, I don't even consider bush as a Human.

Same goes for Kerry, he doesn't look charismatic as Bill Clinton, but he can't be worse than Bush.

You see how bush fucked up your country, you are poorer now. Why you don't want to try something new? Blow up your fucking republician head, and vote for democrats!

Basic_man · 10-07-2004, 04:49 AM

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Originally posted by drctfiesta

WTF !

Alex From San Diego · 10-07-2004, 04:57 AM

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Originally posted by Rich
Bush supporters are great at telling us how stupid we are and how great Bush is, that we're blinded by the "liberal media", etc etc etc, but for some reason every time someone asks them a serious question they have no answer.

Rich I posted a few questions but all you liberals keep side stepping it. I guess I shouldn't expect anything different.....lol

Mr Dickovitch · 10-07-2004, 06:35 AM

It's easy to always be right when you decide in advance everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. Maybe you should look in the mirror to see who the real idiot is.

loverboy · 10-07-2004, 07:45 AM

the fact that US investigation has concluded that there has indeed NO WMD in IRAQ, this shows how the war in Mid-East was spearheaded by a no brainer

Danny_C · 10-07-2004, 09:51 AM

I don't agree that Republicans are intellectually inferior, but it does really disturb me that because most intellectuals are liberals, the Republican solution has been to demonize intellectuals. And there really is a sense in this country now that being an intellectual disqualifies you from the debate. No one wants to be called an intellectual. That's almost as bad a word as "liberal".

rett11 · 10-07-2004, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
Rich I posted a few questions but all you liberals keep side stepping it. I guess I shouldn't expect anything different.....lol

I answered your questions above...the answers aere really quite simple.

12clicks · 10-07-2004, 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by Danny_C
I don't agree that Republicans are intellectually inferior, but it does really disturb me that because most intellectuals are liberals, the Republican solution has been to demonize intellectuals. And there really is a sense in this country now that being an intellectual disqualifies you from the debate. No one wants to be called an intellectual. That's almost as bad a word as "liberal".

ahahahaha, no danny, Republicans make fun of people who *call* themselves intellectuals.
If by "intellectual" you mean "smart" then Republicans are intellectuals. If your version of intellectual is someone who is a teacher or calls someone who is wrong "open minded" then intellectual is liberal.

Those who do, are republicans. Those who can't and therefore teach, are liberals.

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Vendot Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 3,376	What Is It About Bush Supporters? Coming from the UK perspective, I think everyone in this country (UK) is praying that Kerry wins but Ive been asking friends, acquaintances and even some americans about their views and Ive noticed that: It's mostly the less intelligent or the ill informed that support George W Bush. Has anyone else noticed this? Whenever I tried to debate a Bush supporter, the debate always ended quickly because the Bush supporter either was unable to engage in a reasoned debate or just lost the debate outright but yet it didnt sway their decision. Interesting hypothesis because if this theory can be proven true then a Bush victory might indicate that the majority of American voters were dumbos.

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Downtime Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: America. Posts: 7,320	I'm a proud Bush supporter and I'll have a double-major degree (political science and spanish) this May from a major university. I don't consider myself dumb. I also run my own business, and am the president of my 65-man fraternity. __________________ #27024067

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Rexk Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 704	Most people in the U.S dont give a shit what the rest of the world thinks about us...We are not here to win a popularity contest...we are here to protect ourselves... __________________

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beergood Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: United States Posts: 2,918	I don't think I'd call myself a "Bush Supporter" but I believe he is a better candidate than Kerry simply in that Kerry is not a better candidate. Kerry's voting record is shoddy as best and I believe him less than any other candidate I've seen since I've been old enough to vote. I think that the incumbent will do just as well for the next term and will also alow for 2 new choices instead of 1 during the next election.(I hate the 2 party system) __________________ icq: 320340263

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DavidVH Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 300	my dads neo republican hes never given me a solid answer why.

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	its very sad but true lots of sheep .

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reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	to all the supporters of all this presidential aspirant... fight for what you believe is right.This is the real essence of the democracy.

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jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	We end up with a puppet no matter who we elect and what either party actually does while in power doesn't have a whole lot to do with what in theory they stand for. Whoever we elect will have scored most of his votes based on tradition and bias. The vast majority of the relatively few people who do switch their vote will have been swayed by a mix of outright lies, half-truths and omissions. Knowing all of that, yet debating the election as if it actually matters, doesn't make any of us too smart. Throw in that for at least 100 years peope have been listening to the same empty promises about education, health and the other "staples" of election time. Yet every 4 years we buy into them all over again. We accept the myth that we have small government (or at least we still apparently believe we don't have big government, since the threat of it still scares people). We swing between understanding that low taxes do not help the economy grow (usually when it is doing badly), to demanding lower taxes (when everything has been running smoothly for a while). We knew of George Bush through his father, but how many of us knew anything about him personally before we made him president? How many people had even heard of John Kerry until a few months ago? The only thing most of us know is that every presidential candidate has been bought and paid for, long before the election decides who gets to bring his friends to the trough for the next 4 years. As I said, I don't think any of us are too smart when you come right down to it...

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XP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Thailand Posts: 384	I never liked Al Gore, because he is Anti-Muslim, he could start a religion war in diplomatic ways But, he couldn't be worse than Bush. No one could be worse than Bush in whole Galaxy! He is a brainless Ape, I don't even consider bush as a Human. Same goes for Kerry, he doesn't look charismatic as Bill Clinton, but he can't be worse than Bush. You see how bush fucked up your country, you are poorer now. Why you don't want to try something new? Blow up your fucking republician head, and vote for democrats! __________________ BP4L

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Mr Dickovitch Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,070	It's easy to always be right when you decide in advance everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. Maybe you should look in the mirror to see who the real idiot is.

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loverboy When it rains, it pours Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 20,609	the fact that US investigation has concluded that there has indeed NO WMD in IRAQ, this shows how the war in Mid-East was spearheaded by a no brainer

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Danny_C Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,160	I don't agree that Republicans are intellectually inferior, but it does really disturb me that because most intellectuals are liberals, the Republican solution has been to demonize intellectuals. And there really is a sense in this country now that being an intellectual disqualifies you from the debate. No one wants to be called an intellectual. That's almost as bad a word as "liberal".