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pradaboy · 10-04-2004, 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
OH MY GOD! You're right!!!! Surfers are so damn smart they should KNOW when they're going to get an autogenerated response that they need INSTEAD of all the spam they don't want.

I bet those crafty sons of guns sit around all day looking for confirmation emails.

Let's hope I can find my way to the 405 this morning, I sure seem to be real blonde.

why do you only defend yourself with sarcasm?

Donny · 10-04-2004, 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by baddog
Don't know how to break it to you, but not everyone is as smart as you. I actually have people tell me to email them, and then tell me I will have to be sure to respond to the S/A for it to go thru.

I tell people that too. Isn't it easier to have the sender respond than logging in and authorizing it? I would say the exact same thing to you. But I still log in once a day to see what's in "unverified" or log in any time I go to a site and place an order that will send me an auto response.

Marie · 10-04-2004, 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by pradaboy
read her reply to my first post.

Nah, never says retard.

Oh and about your other reply to my post:
1. Kimmykim says what the disadvantages are of people using (or people selling) anti spam products and has a very good point.
2. you make a post on how satisfied you are with the software

Point 2 is SO irrelevant. It's great that you are happy and all (why would you post that??), but the "bugs" are really important for our industry.

baddog · 10-04-2004, 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I would be willing to be that ALL of them know how to check their "unverified messages" box.

Sure, they know how, but do they? Not often, I would be willing to bet. After all, the only thing in there is spam, and if they wanted to see it, they would not have blocked it in the first place.

TheGoldenChild · 10-04-2004, 11:10 AM

"OH MY GOD! You're right!!!! Surfers are so damn smart they should KNOW when they're going to get an autogenerated response that they need INSTEAD of all the spam they don't want.

I bet those crafty sons of guns sit around all day looking for confirmation emails.

Let's hope I can find my way to the 405 this morning, I sure seem to be real blonde. "

hahaha I saw the pics from the Gay Bash this week-
and YOU DO SEEM TO BE REALLY BLONDE THESE DAYS!

baddog · 10-04-2004, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I tell people that too. Isn't it easier to have the sender respond than logging in and authorizing it? I would say the exact same thing to you. But I still log in once a day to see what's in "unverified" or log in any time I go to a site and place an order that will send me an auto response.

Again, not everyone is as smart, or thorough, as you.

pradaboy · 10-04-2004, 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by Maria M.
Nah, never says retard.

Oh and about your other reply to my post:
1. Kimmykim says what the disadvantages are of people using (or people selling) anti spam products and has a very good point.
2. you make a post on how satisfied you are with the software

Point 2 is SO irrelevant. It's great that you are happy and all (why would you post that??), but the "bugs" are really important for our industry.

she adresses the points that automated e-mails never go thru, I reply to tell her automated e-mails do go thru without response from the sender if the receiver authorizes it it does go thru.

if you use a product like SpamArrest you're bound to know these things plus upon login you get forwarded to the unverified folder instantly.

That was my point and it is totally on target towards what KK said.

Peaches · 10-04-2004, 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by kBizzle

hahaha I saw the pics from the Gay Bash this week-
and YOU DO SEEM TO BE REALLY BLONDE THESE DAYS!

I'm changing her initials from KK to MM!

Donny · 10-04-2004, 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by baddog
Again, not everyone is as smart, or thorough, as you.

I would be willing to bet that the majority of people who sign up for Spam Arrest know how to handle themselves in such situations. People are smarter than we give them credit for...

Donny · 10-04-2004, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pradaboy
she adresses the points that automated e-mails never go thru, I reply to tell her automated e-mails do go thru without response from the sender if the receiver authorizes it it does go thru.

if you use a product like SpamArrest you're bound to know these things plus upon login you get forwarded to the unverified folder instantly.

That was my point and it is totally on target towards what KK said.

This should be read over and over and over again. And then read once more...

pradaboy · 10-04-2004, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I would be willing to bet that the majority of people who sign up for Spam Arrest know how to handle themselves in such situations. People are smarter than we give them credit for...

plus when you login you get forwarded to your unverified folder instantly

if you don't like the system don't use it but don't hate on it. After all the cause of all this is the huge amount of SPAM sent everyday and that is not the fault of any of these e-mail companies nor their users.

NinjaSteve · 10-04-2004, 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
perhaps she was willing to risk the dollar a month she could make off you to speak her mind.

THat's the first time I quoted 12clicks. I only did it becuase I wanted to quote 12clicks once in my life. Now my life is complete.

Jeppe · 10-04-2004, 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
You say some really fucking stupid things sometimes. Surfers that use spam arrest are obviously a little more educated than the average surfer. I don't know about you, but I read how things like "spam arrest" work before signing up or paying for them. I would be willing to be that ALL of them know how to check their "unverified messages" box.

You really should educated yourself before lodging your foot in your mouth.

Very good point. Spamarrest isn't the problem, it's actually a good solution in most cases. But users need to know how to use it correctly of course. But that is no different than with any other product.

makefuckingmoney · 10-04-2004, 01:43 PM

I love kimmy..

that is all.

D-Money · 10-04-2004, 01:45 PM

KK looks awesome lately.

Saw here this weekend and she's turned into Marilyn Monroe!

Va Voom!!!

Much love KimmyKim.

Playette Of The Year 2004.

That means she's currently the queen, so don't mess with her.

Jman · 10-04-2004, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by D-Money
KK looks awesome lately.

Saw here this weekend and she's turned into Marilyn Monroe!

Va Voom!!!

Much love KimmyKim.

Playette Of The Year 2004.

That means she's currently the queen, so don't mess with her.

HEll Yeah she is...

KK is Queen Bishe and that is why We love her

Kimmykim · 10-04-2004, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
You really should educated yourself before lodging your foot in your mouth.

As opposed to in your ass? ;P

If you think the average surfer knows enough to look for an email from the processor, you're living in dreamland. The average surfer doesn't even realize what a processor is.

<IMX> · 10-04-2004, 05:21 PM

This thread is bullshit both ways.

Processors/sponsors etc...can't build an automated script to handle spam arrest confirms?

They have tgp auto confirmers and I'm sure spammers have shit to handle spam arrest already.

please. problem identified, described, then solved.

Mike Okitch · 10-04-2004, 05:31 PM

I can see Kimmykim's point.

And she has not been rude.

She has made use of sarcasm and has been straight to the point but has not been rude. She is one of the very few in this business who says it like it is and doesn't mess around. She has always answered to my contacts promply and with professionalism. Not everyone can claim the same.

Surfers are not generally computer savvy people and a large percentage of them will not realize or understand that actually legitimate email might end up in their spam folder.

Part of a webmaster's job is to make it easy for their surfers. Promoting a program where your very confirmation emails gets placed in a folder other than where the surfer expects it does just the opposite.

hova · 10-04-2004, 05:39 PM

ohhhhhhh.........the drama

Sly · 10-04-2004, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by <IMX>
This thread is bullshit both ways.

Processors/sponsors etc...can't build an automated script to handle spam arrest confirms?

They have tgp auto confirmers and I'm sure spammers have shit to handle spam arrest already.

please. problem identified, described, then solved.

I think Spam Arrest has image verification. Is there a way to automate the verification with images? If there is, then why aren't spammers using it to break through the verification stage? And if the spammers are using it, doesn't that render Spam Arrest and similar programs useless?

VirtuMike · 10-04-2004, 06:09 PM

KimmyKim is usually right to some degree. This time she is right on the money. If your customers get a challenge response system, and nothing is there to respond, the mail gets moved to a folder that has a PILE of legitimate junk mail. They're not expecting this email, so it just sits there until it gets deleted.

Encouraging your surfers to have software that closes the lines of communications between your sponsors and the customers is a BAD idea. Common sense.

If this affects 1% of your surfers, that may amount to $30 every month, or it may be tens of thousands a month, depending on who you are.

<IMX> · 10-04-2004, 06:22 PM

I'm sure some are. I'd have to take an in depth look at the image verification system. Some can be cracked, some can't.

In the meantime the other method is to contact:
http://spamarrest.com/contact/
them directly and ask about a whitelist program to help nip the problem in the bud.

It is pretty clear, like console killers, spam aresst style of challenge response spam verification is not going away.

adapt or die.

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly
I think Spam Arrest has image verification. Is there a way to automate the verification with images? If there is, then why aren't spammers using it to break through the verification stage? And if the spammers are using it, doesn't that render Spam Arrest and similar programs useless?

CHMOD · 10-04-2004, 06:34 PM

Because she is an idiot. ( But she doesn't know it )

She feels smarter by bashing people. Classic.

SleazyDream · 10-04-2004, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pradaboy
in reference to this thread:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...postid=5463380

KK couldn't understand why people use SpamArrest because it would supposedly not get password/account info to the actual inbox.

I shared my POV as a SpamArrest user (or for that matter any challenge-response system)...
Somehow she has this urge to call people retards when they do not share her opinion.

I've seen it happen to a lot of people (a lot of ePassporte users even) allthough these people either are potential clients or already bringing in money for them.

What would you do if you buy bread at K-Mart and the cassier tells you you're a retard?

Unbelievable... oh well that's my rant for today

i've had my ups and downs with kimmy, known her for several years now and the reality is, if she reamed you out - dollars to donuts you probally deserved it.

SleazyDream · 10-04-2004, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks
perhaps she was willing to risk the dollar a month she could make off you to speak her mind.

that doesn't sound like kimmy........

rowan · 10-04-2004, 06:50 PM

So let me get this straight, you need to regularly review your unverified folder to ensure you don't miss anything legitimate. Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose? You're still sifting through piles of spam, it's just in a different folder...

10-04-2004, 11:10 AM	#55
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	"OH MY GOD! You're right!!!! Surfers are so damn smart they should KNOW when they're going to get an autogenerated response that they need INSTEAD of all the spam they don't want. I bet those crafty sons of guns sit around all day looking for confirmation emails. Let's hope I can find my way to the 405 this morning, I sure seem to be real blonde. " hahaha I saw the pics from the Gay Bash this week- and YOU DO SEEM TO BE REALLY BLONDE THESE DAYS! __________________

10-04-2004, 01:45 PM	#65
D-Money Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Player Del Ray Posts: 9,716	KK looks awesome lately. Saw here this weekend and she's turned into Marilyn Monroe! Va Voom!!! Much love KimmyKim. Playette Of The Year 2004. That means she's currently the queen, so don't mess with her. __________________ Still Ballin'

10-04-2004, 05:21 PM	#68
<IMX> Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,728	This thread is bullshit both ways. Processors/sponsors etc...can't build an automated script to handle spam arrest confirms? They have tgp auto confirmers and I'm sure spammers have shit to handle spam arrest already. please. problem identified, described, then solved. __________________ $$$ Check out NICHE PAY the leader of Micro Niche Sites! They offer $1 Trials! $$$ $$$ Check out 10 FREE TRIAL SALES equals 1 FREE LAP TOP ! $$$

10-04-2004, 05:31 PM	#69
Mike Okitch Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Guantanamo Bay, Cuba Posts: 4,126	I can see Kimmykim's point. And she has not been rude. She has made use of sarcasm and has been straight to the point but has not been rude. She is one of the very few in this business who says it like it is and doesn't mess around. She has always answered to my contacts promply and with professionalism. Not everyone can claim the same. Surfers are not generally computer savvy people and a large percentage of them will not realize or understand that actually legitimate email might end up in their spam folder. Part of a webmaster's job is to make it easy for their surfers. Promoting a program where your very confirmation emails gets placed in a folder other than where the surfer expects it does just the opposite. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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10-04-2004, 01:43 PM	#64
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	I love kimmy.. that is all.

10-04-2004, 06:09 PM	#72
VirtuMike Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Seat 1A Posts: 2,483	KimmyKim is usually right to some degree. This time she is right on the money. If your customers get a challenge response system, and nothing is there to respond, the mail gets moved to a folder that has a PILE of legitimate junk mail. They're not expecting this email, so it just sits there until it gets deleted. Encouraging your surfers to have software that closes the lines of communications between your sponsors and the customers is a BAD idea. Common sense. If this affects 1% of your surfers, that may amount to $30 every month, or it may be tens of thousands a month, depending on who you are. __________________ Host it in AMSTERDAM at EUROTIVITY! - We also offer BACKUP SERVICES! XYZZY4L

10-04-2004, 06:34 PM	#74
CHMOD Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,697	Because she is an idiot. ( But she doesn't know it ) She feels smarter by bashing people. Classic.

10-04-2004, 06:50 PM	#77
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	So let me get this straight, you need to regularly review your unverified folder to ensure you don't miss anything legitimate. Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose? You're still sifting through piles of spam, it's just in a different folder...