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whoreans · 08-08-2001, 01:41 PM

heh..

just wanted to know how much it cost to invest on a freehost server. if its profitable at all.

how much are the scripts?

how did you get webmasters to use your freehost?

how did you make your money back? advertisements? how did you get the clients?

all of a sudden.. running a freehost seem alot of hard work

08-08-2001, 02:01 PM

Well, Ive been thinking about the same thing - would like to hear some opinions myself !

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ztik · 08-08-2001, 02:11 PM

Well if your going to do free hosting I would advise
1) you build your self a server (will run around 500$ for top of the line shit)
2) get your self a t1 or t2 and throw it up in your house. Places seem to almost rip you off on bandwidth cost! The line is around 600 a month.

Currently I only have 19 people on my host most of which came from me telling people about and a few from me making tgp's and putting a big fat "hosted by ztik hosting" on the top.

Before I went into adult hosting I ran a free host (9ug.com - got up to 17,000 members) so I already had the scripts and everything. Before i went purly by word of mouth, be nice to clients, hook them up realy fat, make them feal at home and they will usualy tell their friends.

For the hosting script I went with solution scipts Home Free (http://www.solutionscripts.com), its realy easy edit and add your own features. also has things like ftp importing (direct ftp can be added by a hack)

As for money comming back I havn't made a dime since I just got the thing fully up and running smoothly last week some time.

Phil21 · 08-08-2001, 04:36 PM

haha.

a $500 server is hardly "top of the line". That will buy us a.. Motherboard? If we're lucky.

Figure at least $1500 on a decent server than can push around 15mbit with ease, definitely more if you're looking at any sort of RAID option (which you should be).

Anyone that hosts off of a single T1 is someone to stay away from. That link gets dug up by mr. backhoe operator, or whatever, and you're SoL. Co-location at telco grade datacenters is becoming cheaper and cheaper, if you can't afford a full rack yourself do some research and find a company @ level3 or somewhere that will sell you a few U of rackspace.

Expect to pay at least $25/U of space, and if you're paying lMbit you're probably not with the besess than $250/t shop in terms of if anything breaks their ability to fix it expedietly. (although, things are getting cheaper, and some reputable shops may be selling a bit lower than that now.. But I'd seriously research them).

It's not cheap to do right. But, it's not overly expensive either. The T1 option would actually initially set you back a hell of a lot more in most areas, than co-location, even though co-location is by *FAR* the better option. Most freehosts pull far, far, far, more than 1.5mbit, and you need the burst capacity to make things seem quick to surfers. Also you'd have to purchase a router, CSU/DSU for at least your end, and also pay the local loop fee. It will probably run you around $900/mo at the VERY minimum (uunet charges like $1100 for just data access), and then a nice $1,500+ for the networking equipment.

Anyways, just my input.

-Phil

ztik · 08-08-2001, 05:27 PM

where do you get your mother boards from? bestbuy? lol

[This message has been edited by ztik (edited 08-08-2001).]

Chris R · 08-08-2001, 05:37 PM

I'll take a couple of those top of the line servers for $500. "Fell off the back of a truck..."

Rodent · 08-08-2001, 07:39 PM

$500 you could barly afford 2 scsi harddrives and the scsi cables

And hosting it on a t1? give me a fucking break. You better colo that shit on a burstable line.

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Floridats · 08-08-2001, 07:54 PM

Candidhosting will supply the software and put you in a nice dedicated box for around $500/month and beat any price on bandwidth. Fully redundant bandwidth, six tier one providers because downtime is not an option right! In case you really want to be like smutserver. Travis at candidhosting.com

Techie Media · 08-08-2001, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rodent:
$500 you could barly afford 2 scsi harddrives and the scsi cables And hosting it on a t1? give me a fucking break. You better colo that shit on a burstable line.

You are so right. For what they mentioned wouldnt even be able to handle my mailserver, let alone push more then 100k a day in traffic.

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Moose · 08-08-2001, 08:31 PM

"1) you build your self a server (will run around 500$ for top of the line shit)
2) get your self a t1 or t2 and throw it up in your house. Places seem to almost rip you off on bandwidth cost! The line is around 600 a month."

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Phil21 · 08-08-2001, 10:07 PM

No, it's called not buying cheapass whatever the hell your local computer discount store has.

Go lookup some of the higher-end Tyan dual boards, this is pretty much what we use. If you go Intel, their VERY nice Thunder HeSL is a sweet board for $600, and for athlon their board is the best there is.. Also around $600 plus you need a $200 power supply to drive it.

We're not talking about taking your desktop single processor CPU PoS compaq and plugging it into a network here..

A typical servers of ours has a cost rundown like this.. Keep in mind some of these parts are not on all the servers, and some have more disk space, or whatnot. But you'll get the idea quick.

2U ATX Rackmount Chassis - $200
2x350W redundant low-profile PS - ~$450
4-bay SCA backplane - $150
SCSI RAID card (level5 usually is used) - $400
4x18Gb (or whatever) SCSI drives - ~$200/ea (10,000 RPM, etc.)
Server-class dual processor mobo - ~$500
2xCPU's - $150/ea or so
2GB memory - $300 now? Who knows.

Mobo has onboard NIC, and video. So need need to buy that. Add your cables and floppy/cdrom/etc. and you have yourselves an expensive little machine, that is very unlikely to fail unless a processor (use dual-fan heatsinks and monitor the fan rotations and temp. remotely to sense a failure before it happens), or mobo fails. and that is an occurance that has yet to happen to us, although we have smoked a bad DIMM once.

Power supplies and hard drives are the things that go, we've replaced litterly dozens on our small little server farm. Hence why it's so expensive to ensure redundancy there. Each server though is easily capable of pushing 50mbit/sec depending on traffic patterns, and rarely goes down.

Not to mention we're starting some other auto-failover stuff that increases the costs by 2, but should make server availabily 100%, even during planned upgrades.

See.. You can do it like that, or do a fly-by-night from your basement with your old compaq. I've done both. The latter way of doing things will fly for a little while, until something breaks. Then you're SoL as your customers scream bloody murder at you why the servers went down during a week long power outage, or whatever. Essentially it's only a matter of time until something breaks, and with your setup it *WILL* impact customers. With ours, the impact is far less likely to be as severe, if at all.

This is why you pay your hosting guys the cash you do.

To ensure your site is up and running.

-Phil

08-08-2001, 01:41 PM	#1
whoreans Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Queens NY Posts: 1,407	new free porn web hosting! heh.. just wanted to know how much it cost to invest on a freehost server. if its profitable at all. how much are the scripts? how did you get webmasters to use your freehost? how did you make your money back? advertisements? how did you get the clients? all of a sudden.. running a freehost seem alot of hard work

08-08-2001, 02:01 PM	#2
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	Well, Ive been thinking about the same thing - would like to hear some opinions myself ! ------------------ need Equicare ?

08-08-2001, 02:11 PM	#3
ztik Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Nomad Posts: 5,196	Well if your going to do free hosting I would advise 1) you build your self a server (will run around 500$ for top of the line shit) 2) get your self a t1 or t2 and throw it up in your house. Places seem to almost rip you off on bandwidth cost! The line is around 600 a month. Currently I only have 19 people on my host most of which came from me telling people about and a few from me making tgp's and putting a big fat "hosted by ztik hosting" on the top. Before I went into adult hosting I ran a free host (9ug.com - got up to 17,000 members) so I already had the scripts and everything. Before i went purly by word of mouth, be nice to clients, hook them up realy fat, make them feal at home and they will usualy tell their friends. For the hosting script I went with solution scipts Home Free (http://www.solutionscripts.com), its realy easy edit and add your own features. also has things like ftp importing (direct ftp can be added by a hack) As for money comming back I havn't made a dime since I just got the thing fully up and running smoothly last week some time.

08-08-2001, 04:36 PM	#4
Phil21 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ICQ: 25285313 Posts: 993	haha. a $500 server is hardly "top of the line". That will buy us a.. Motherboard? If we're lucky. Figure at least $1500 on a decent server than can push around 15mbit with ease, definitely more if you're looking at any sort of RAID option (which you should be). Anyone that hosts off of a single T1 is someone to stay away from. That link gets dug up by mr. backhoe operator, or whatever, and you're SoL. Co-location at telco grade datacenters is becoming cheaper and cheaper, if you can't afford a full rack yourself do some research and find a company @ level3 or somewhere that will sell you a few U of rackspace. Expect to pay at least $25/U of space, and if you're paying lMbit you're probably not with the besess than $250/t shop in terms of if anything breaks their ability to fix it expedietly. (although, things are getting cheaper, and some reputable shops may be selling a bit lower than that now.. But I'd seriously research them). It's not cheap to do right. But, it's not overly expensive either. The T1 option would actually initially set you back a hell of a lot more in most areas, than co-location, even though co-location is by FAR the better option. Most freehosts pull far, far, far, more than 1.5mbit, and you need the burst capacity to make things seem quick to surfers. Also you'd have to purchase a router, CSU/DSU for at least your end, and also pay the local loop fee. It will probably run you around $900/mo at the VERY minimum (uunet charges like $1100 for just data access), and then a nice $1,500+ for the networking equipment. Anyways, just my input. -Phil

08-08-2001, 05:27 PM	#5
ztik Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Nomad Posts: 5,196	where do you get your mother boards from? bestbuy? lol [This message has been edited by ztik (edited 08-08-2001).]

08-08-2001, 05:37 PM	#6
Chris R Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 1,151	I'll take a couple of those top of the line servers for $500. "Fell off the back of a truck..."

08-08-2001, 07:39 PM	#7
Rodent Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: ReliableServers.Com Posts: 1,462	$500 you could barly afford 2 scsi harddrives and the scsi cables And hosting it on a t1? give me a fucking break. You better colo that shit on a burstable line. ------------------ http://www.TGPhost.Net

08-08-2001, 07:54 PM	#8
Floridats Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tampa, Fl USA Posts: 10	Candidhosting will supply the software and put you in a nice dedicated box for around $500/month and beat any price on bandwidth. Fully redundant bandwidth, six tier one providers because downtime is not an option right! In case you really want to be like smutserver. Travis at candidhosting.com

08-08-2001, 08:31 PM	#10
Moose Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Here Posts: 1,548	"1) you build your self a server (will run around 500$ for top of the line shit) 2) get your self a t1 or t2 and throw it up in your house. Places seem to almost rip you off on bandwidth cost! The line is around 600 a month." HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH thats all http://www.sexcropolis.com http://www.phatservers.net

08-08-2001, 10:07 PM	#11
Phil21 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ICQ: 25285313 Posts: 993	No, it's called not buying cheapass whatever the hell your local computer discount store has. Go lookup some of the higher-end Tyan dual boards, this is pretty much what we use. If you go Intel, their VERY nice Thunder HeSL is a sweet board for $600, and for athlon their board is the best there is.. Also around $600 plus you need a $200 power supply to drive it. We're not talking about taking your desktop single processor CPU PoS compaq and plugging it into a network here.. A typical servers of ours has a cost rundown like this.. Keep in mind some of these parts are not on all the servers, and some have more disk space, or whatnot. But you'll get the idea quick. 2U ATX Rackmount Chassis - $200 2x350W redundant low-profile PS - ~$450 4-bay SCA backplane - $150 SCSI RAID card (level5 usually is used) - $400 4x18Gb (or whatever) SCSI drives - ~$200/ea (10,000 RPM, etc.) Server-class dual processor mobo - ~$500 2xCPU's - $150/ea or so 2GB memory - $300 now? Who knows. Mobo has onboard NIC, and video. So need need to buy that. Add your cables and floppy/cdrom/etc. and you have yourselves an expensive little machine, that is very unlikely to fail unless a processor (use dual-fan heatsinks and monitor the fan rotations and temp. remotely to sense a failure before it happens), or mobo fails. and that is an occurance that has yet to happen to us, although we have smoked a bad DIMM once. Power supplies and hard drives are the things that go, we've replaced litterly dozens on our small little server farm. Hence why it's so expensive to ensure redundancy there. Each server though is easily capable of pushing 50mbit/sec depending on traffic patterns, and rarely goes down. Not to mention we're starting some other auto-failover stuff that increases the costs by 2, but should make server availabily 100%, even during planned upgrades. See.. You can do it like that, or do a fly-by-night from your basement with your old compaq. I've done both. The latter way of doing things will fly for a little while, until something breaks. Then you're SoL as your customers scream bloody murder at you why the servers went down during a week long power outage, or whatever. Essentially it's only a matter of time until something breaks, and with your setup it WILL impact customers. With ours, the impact is far less likely to be as severe, if at all. This is why you pay your hosting guys the cash you do. To ensure your site is up and running. -Phil