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If it isn't law, and they have no auhtority outside of their voluntary membership, then why SHOULD Varadox comply Did you not know the line provider in the UK that gives Varadox their UK numbers, is registered with ICSTIS? lol http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif |
That's fine, Richard. They are registered. You still haven't addressed your own failed compliance.
And is ICSTIS a government body? Yes or no? Why does everyone keep hedging around this issue? If they aren't a government body then what gives them the authority to levy fines and sanctions? And of course you are going to argue for compliance, Richard. You have already grabbed your ankles for the powers that be. |
It appears from reading their site thoroughly that they are like the states PUCO organizations. Sort of a board of experts that are paid by the privates - phone companies in this case but do have authority. They themselves can't file charges but they take it to the proper authorities to straighten out problems and actually levy charges or fines etc.
And they being experts make the rules that the government may or may not listen to but most of the time they do. (In the PUCO's cases) And the ICSTIS CEO is an ex Brit cabinet member? Ouch! <font color="#606060"> [This message has been edited by Gemini (edited 08-07-2001).] |
http://www.oftel.gov.uk/ind_info/numbering/prs0900.htm
read a little about the relationship between icstis and the government there. 3.10 Promotions in non-print media Promotions transmitted by radio, television, teletext, telephone, facsimile, Internet or any other form of communication must observe the provisions of this Code in the manner most reasonable and appropriate to the technology employed. One assumes that a dialer listing the price in the software is reasonable and appropriate. For services designed for viewing on personal computers, ICSTIS expects to see a separate box containing a prominent display of call cost information (visible without any need to scroll down) in order to meet this requirement Richard. btw Snickster, what sites do you run? and are you related somehoe to Inside over on AWI boards? Why do you feel you have to be annonymous when you post? |
What do you care who I am? It seems that hardly matters, except to divert attention. I am not a webmaster. I am a professional technical witness for criminal cases involving computers.
Richard, are you saying emphatically that the dialer released by Varadox is in violation of the law? Because if that claim was found to be untrue and your post somehow effected the ability of Varadox to do business, you would be exposing yourself to a whole range of ramifications. Not to mention that your reseller agreement may qualify as representation, which would hold your dialer provider responsible for your comments as well. Are you saying that Varadox is breaking the law? |
nope.
They are, (and this is undisputable), breaking ICSTIS regulations. Their line provider is "registered" (or whatever the terminology is) with ICSTIS - and is bound by their decisions - ICSTIS could at any stage terminate the number, fine/ban the line provider (which in turn could result in the line provider taking action against Varadox to recover the fine?). Which could potentially all lead to future problems for webmasters down the road - cetainly from losing minutes if the UK number is "turned off". I'm not picking a fight, just want to know what the situation is. I just find it unfair that other companies have to compete against a company that is breaking icstis rules. I guess there is not much else to say here? Just gotta wait and see what happens i suppose. Nice to meet you though Snickster, technical witness sounds an interesting job, hit me up on icq, i'd like to learn more about that http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif. |
This is the <best> board to come and drown fishes, you should have known that by now, LOL
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Okay, so let me get this straight. This non-governmental non-profit agency made up of industry appointed persons and paid by industry dollars (pounds?) is a completely unbiased authority? I think not.
They are funded by members. Sort of like a protection scheme. Compliance is voluntary, but you can be sanctioned for not complying. Doesn't sound so voluntary, does it? Sort of like strong-arm tactics. Sanctions include participating members refusing you service. Kind of like "blackballing", a violation of trade practice in most of the free world. Sanctions also include fines that must be paid before your service through it's members is restored. Sort of like extortion. What's next? Kneecapping webmasters who use the word FREE? |
Premium Rate Service for Newbies Part 1
Network Opperator - A public telecomunications operator, listed under Annex II as such and reconised as such by ICTSIS. Service Provider - A company that contracts for a PRS service with a Network Opperator (Normaly the guy with the modems). Information Provider - A company who provides service over a Service Providers system. The Network Operator pays a leviy to ICTSIS (I think about 0.6p per minute) The Service Provider is 100% responsable for implmenting the ICTSIS code of conduct ICTSIS is a industry self regulation body, who have been granted powers by the Government to police the PRS business. They can ban people operating , cut off phone numbers and stop you getting paid. They also publish a letter every month listing all the people who broke the rules so other operators know not to deal with them. If you break the rules a few times you get banned simple as that |
The ICSTIS Code of Practice also applies to international services which can be accessed by callers in the UK.
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ICSTIS' system of regulation has always been based on network operators signing a contract with ICSTIS in which they agree to impose the conditions of the Code of Practice on their service providers. This system relies on commitment from all network operators who carry premium rate traffic ('terminating network operators').
Under their PTO license with The Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) Network Operators are obliged to enforce ICSTIS' system of regulation on their service providers, regardless of the type of service offered. ICSTIS are sanctioned by the UK government!!! Basically Varadox Communications will be shut down, and their UK Network operator is risking his license to operate a telecommunications system. BT will withhold payments to the network operator, and will probably claw back any payments collected fraudulently and thus Varadox will have no money to pay its Webmasters. My qualifications.... I was fined by ICSTIS 3 years ago and believe me, its 100% enforceable... Ask my Lawyers!!! |
"KK ... I agree with you ... some dialers deserve to be shut down ... but my point is that as webmasters, we should not be held liable for the concious decisions of our surfers ... It is not like webmasters are FORCEFEEDING the dialers to the surfers ...(OK, a few are, and they deserve to be dealt with ...)Surfers are given a choice ... it is called the CANCEL button !!!"
---------------------------------- Hungryman, do not put words in my mouth, as you attempted to with what followed that paragraph. Your analogies regarding alcohol and handguns are very poor ones at best. The simple fact is that the FTC has already gone after sites using dialers and I'm sure that the site owners were positive the dialers were fine by the FTC. Talking a big talk about cancels and free will is fine, but if there are enough complaints then these governing bodies feel compelled to take action for various reasons. I don't personally care one way or the other about dialers, but when I read the other day in a post about how someone stayed connected for 12 hours to a dialer, well that's just asking for trouble. And remember that the brush is often broad, and those that didn't even need a coat of paint many times get one too. |
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Kimmykim,
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ah 12clicks, leave it to the gay guys to get to the heart of the matter... http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif
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Just because I'm persnickety and keep a neat house does NOT mean I'm gay
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Neither does the fact that you wear hot pink chaps with no drawers under them and grab the cute waiters on the ass at dinner in Vegas I suppose....
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I am with KimmyKim, all dialers should be banner and everyone should buy handguns as well. I am right behind you kk. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif
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12clicks and kimmy...... is there ANY thread the two of you don't turn into some gay fetish type post? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif
You two are hilarious. rotfl Tam ------------------ May the Force Be With YOU!! Up to $0.80 a minute!!Also taking broker apps! You too can be Vectorized!! |
I'm sorry Tam, I'm just obsessed with the lengths he goes to trying to pretend he's really not gay.
I've seen so much that would indicate the opposite and I'm just waiting on him to admit it, then the fun will be over... http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif |
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wolfshade, the reason why he didn't post it to his OWN board is because he has no OWN board as you call..
same here... we're nothing but moderators http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif Plus, being here, he can't edit the msgs of everyone ROFL http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif seems more fair to me :P damn dialer topics, I cannot stand those anymore =D |
Mag with all due respect I think it measures up like this:
Rich's motivation for posting this thread Supplying information - 1% Making his own dialers look good 98% Misc - 1% And I gues he couldn't come up with da dough to Pay Tim to let him do it on AWI http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/tongue.gif Wolfshade ------------------ Wolfshade's Moneymakers Get paid per minute at Dialerclopedia, per run at Nodialercash, or be a sponsor yourself!!! It's the choice of an Adult generation! ICQ#49873955 [email protected] |
After discussions with our attorneys and service providers, it has been determined that the current dialer is in compliance with all of the regulations questioned earlier in the message thread, with the exception of the PIN code system.
1) The cost of the call is prominently displayed immediately upon opening the dialer. 2) Our dialer combines the onscreen clock with a large and clearly visible disconnect button so that service may be discontinued at any time without further delay. 3) The "walled garden" security measure is in place on all internationally dialed calls. There are no legal requirements for such measures in the USA. Since "Richard" was able to surf other sites while using the dialer we must assume that he called from the USA, where no such measure is imposed. 4) Our corporate contact information is available in the dialer disclaimer. 5) The telephone number dialed is displayed prominently in the status box before and during the dialing operation. 6) We are working closely with our providers to devise a system of restricting access that does not assume that the first person to download and use the software is an authorized user. With most of the implemented PIN code systems, a child could lock a parent out of software as easily as a parent could lock out a child. We will continue to seek a more effective and practical solution. 7) Filtering measures are in place at the sites used by the dialer. In all of the above cases, we have reviewed the current dialer software with our service providers and it has been deemed compliant. We have also contacted ICSTIS regarding these issues should the matter arise again. We have forwarded the thread in its entirety to our attorneys for review to be certain that this unprovoked attack on the character, reputation, legality and viability of Varadox was not in any way intentionally orchestrated to hinder Varadox. As for the assertion that our dialer software retains an unfair competitive advantage, we could not agree more. Our dialer is smaller and can be downloaded in less time. We host the dialers for webmasters, increasing their bottom line by alleviating bandwidth costs associated with the downloads. We pay up to 88 cents per minute, including an unprecedented 20 cents a minute for Turkey. We have the fastest, friendliest, most reliable management and development teams in the industry. We can certainly see how these facts might worry our competition. Clearly "Richard" is in possession of either a beta or developers copy of our dialer. These dialers are used for testing purposes and are often feature-lean to expedite testing measures. Another reason why we host the dialer software for our webmasters is to ensure that they are always distributing the latest, most feature-rich release. We would like to thank everyone who participated in the topic for their forthright discussion. Your suggestions have helped to make Varadox dialer software products stronger and even more competitive than before. ------------------ May the Force Be With YOU!! Up to $0.80 a minute!!Also taking broker apps! You too can be Vectorized!! |
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Relaxx KK ... I (like many here), enjoy a good piss, and am not looking to roast anybody. I have not had the pleasure of meeting you personally, and you certainly have never crossed me ... I am just milking this thread for all the comedic value I can get out of it, and was not seriously implying anything. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif TAM : Only too happy to help Babe http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif Your reputation preceeds you, and a little bit of shit thrown at the fan, by somebody just passing thru, will never damage that. ------------------ http://www.exxxtrememedia.com/embut.gif A boneprone Family Member :D |
Hungryman....... you are a riot and I never ever will figure you out.. just when I think I have you figured out you go and take off in a different direction.... a man after my own heart babe, thanks. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif
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Put more smilies in then lol http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif
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Yes kimmy likes those smileys.......... I get into trouble for using too many but she gets turned on by them...... go figure~~~~~
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Bottom line here is...Richard is a shit stirring cocksucker who needs to mind his OWN damn business instead of Tams. Who the fuck elected you dialer cop anyway? Re-insert your head up your own ass once more until you can learn to behave!
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I am on your side Richard (well someone has to be) http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif
You are getting kicked around like a rented mule, so I have come to the rescue. Not exactly sure what help I can be, but I will thwart off the evils of competitor dialers for you. If this doesnt work, can I do the eulogy at your funeral? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif |
1) SongRider, i neither know you, or have ever done business with you - and you likewise. Get you head out of Tam's ass please.
2) Wolfshade?? you losing the plot my man. Supplying information - 1% Making his own dialers look good 98% Misc - 1% Does anyone know the url to our webmaster program, or to our dialer? Nope, you dont, unless i either told you, or one of the trusted people i told showed you. Which is kinda funny, since, apparently, 98% of my posts were aimed at promoting my own sutff ? Tam Tam Tam, i'm going to download several copies of the dialer, for serveral TGPs, post a mirror of them, and let you all decide. I had not damn beta dialer, i have a dialer live on a bigish tgp site, sitting on my desktop here, breaking all the icstis rules i mentioned. |
Lensman/Wizzo, what IP is this i am posting from?
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The above post was made whilst connected to tiny-teenies.com's Varadox dialer.
Proving you do not have garden walling. |
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nuttin personal here!!!! And your url is in your profile babe....... nahh.... we don't know how to find it hidden in there. Tam ------------------ May the Force Be With YOU!! Up to $0.80 a minute!!Also taking broker apps! You too can be Vectorized!! [This message has been edited by Tam (edited 08-07-2001).] |
I stand corrected I'll make it:
Supplying information - 1% Making his own dialers look good 88% Inability to read properly - 10% Misc - 1% http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif I'm not referring to all your posts I am talking about this thread, so read next time. Another thing: you sure trust a lot of people like 90% of the AWI board knows your dialer and even I know it and we both know we're not close friends eh? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif And I gues then that Snicker is a very close buddy to you also eh? Quote:
You kinda said it yourself in the other thread you posted this because you didn't get the exposure you desired in the old one http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif Wolfshade ------------------ Wolfshade's Moneymakers Get paid per minute at Dialerclopedia, per run at Nodialercash, or be a sponsor yourself!!! It's the choice of an Adult generation! ICQ#49873955 [email protected] |
1) SongRider, i neither know you, or have ever done business with you - and you likewise. Get you head out of Tam's ass please.
Lookie here DICK(Richard) What ever! Tam happens to be my WIFE! Get that? What ever concerns her concerns me as well. And you have been a thorn in her side for sometime now. So NEVER tell me NOTHING to do with her! Not a fuckin option! I have watched you threaten, and try and fuck with her reputation for almost a year now. Back the fuck off man! Being threatened by her sucess is one thing but this continuing harrassment is borderline stalking dude. If you choose to dance then I'll be your partner, but trust me , you best choose wisely, cause I'll walk all over your ass. As for my head up her ass? I sure do brother and let me tell you its fucking nice up there!*S* Maybe thats your problem...got a crush or something? *LMFAO* |
Oh WAIT!!!!!!!! Why did ya kill your url to your site and replace it with an under construction page, Richard? Woohoo....... good thing I collected the urls when I looked at it in your profile earlier today.......... here it is.... I'll spam for ya babe:
http://www.gibhar.com/dialer/ well damn... why'd ya kill the links to it and do the construction thing now richard? Things that make ya go hmmm............ Tam ------------------ May the Force Be With YOU!! Up to $0.80 a minute!!Also taking broker apps! You too can be Vectorized!! |
www.qbabes.com/sexviewer2.exe
This was the file i downloaded yesterday from www.tiny-teenies.com (random tgp i ran into, no connection with webmaster - or mistress, have a feeling it is Jenny's?). Hats off to Varadox tech staff, they have made a fairly competent bodge job of the new dialer. The new dialer, www.qbabes.com/sexviewer3.exe is STILL IN VIOLATION OF ICSTIS GUIDELINES. 1) Does not have COST clock showing call cost. 2) Does not have garden walling. 3) Does not show address/contact details of service provider 4) Does not have PIN protection. People, unpopular as this opinion may be, but i have lost all respect for Tam. She has lied to you all. I downloaded the dialer from tiny-teenies.com link YESTERDAY, and they have made an update to it today. (as they host all the dialers). This was no fucking beta/development dialer, it was one i downloaded from a big tgp YESTERDAY, whilst hosted on YOUR frigging servers! I am totally gob-smacked at your attitude to this Tam. I am not out to ruin a program, at the end of the day, i want to have FAIR competition, not the bullshit you are pulling. I'm mildy satisfied that "my thread" has resulted in hectic work for the Varadox techs - ALL I WANT IS ICSTIS COMPLIANT COMPETITION. Couple of other points: == Mag, my thoughts exactly, surely making this post on this board is going to be "harder" than on a board i have ops? ==Rivux, cheers, nice to see someone not bashing me just because i dont kiss Tam's ass. ==SongRider, did not know you were her old man. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif makes my ass comment rather funny i gotta admit. But also makes your comments a pile of poop http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif ==Wolfshade, you dont have my webmaster program url, because i've _never_ posted it on any board... yet http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif. What did you mean about Snickster? I did not know him until yesterday, as did you i guess? Spoke to him briefly today over icq, and seemed a good bloke - even if he is playing Devil's Advocate http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif. ==Tam, www.gibhar.com is our company url, the entire site is under redesign, as you are aware. There is nothing to hide there, just shitty content at the moment - which is of embaressment to me http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif gibhar.com/dialer is our non-porn dialer page, again with shitty content. The notion that i am somehow out to promote my own stuff is absurd, and you are scrapping the barrel. hmn, not sure i have much else to say, except to again state that Tam is full of shit, and that i am still shocked to see this side of her. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/frown.gif http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/frown.gif |
First off that URL Tam posted was(untill now) the right URL and as for Snickster:
He managed to dig up a lot on your dialers and that's kinda hard to do without knowing your dialer eh? You are hellbent on making Varadox look bad. It must be so your Telcoweb dialers look good. Also if your dialer realy was only known to people you trust there would be no competition for you as trusted people are loyal people, making this thread irrelevant to your own remarks in here. In other words the full of shit remark is correct only it's not Tam who it applies to http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif Wolfshade ------------------ Wolfshade's Moneymakers Get paid per minute at Dialerclopedia, per run at Nodialercash, or be a sponsor yourself!!! It's the choice of an Adult generation! ICQ#49873955 [email protected] |
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