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Old 09-27-2004, 02:30 PM   #1
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Old 09-27-2004, 02:39 PM   #2
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I'd just like to point out a couple things:

The cost of this product is anywhere between $80-$100 depending on what sort of deal the distributor got.

The sale price is $300.
There are processing fees, employee commissions/salary (shipping, sales reps) office space costs

At this payout they are losing money on every transaction. So unless they have banked a lot of cash to recoup from paying out more than they are even making - you can only guess what they are probably doing.

Yes, I am publicly saying this. And you can feel free to say "how unprofessional". I really don't mind, considering you probably have an adult.com sig on and are being paid per post.

Ohhh I almost forgot about the $100 signup bonus too. Didn't even factor that in. Come on people, use your head here.
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Old 09-27-2004, 02:41 PM   #3
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I'd just like to point out a couple things:

The cost of this product is anywhere between $80-$100 depending on what sort of deal the distributor got.

The sale price is $300.
There are processing fees, employee commissions/salary (shipping, sales reps) office space costs

At this payout they are losing money on every transaction. So unless they have banked a lot of cash to recoup from paying out more than they are even making - you can only guess what they are probably doing.

Yes, I am publicly saying this. And you can feel free to say "how unprofessional". I really don't mind, considering you probably have an adult.com sig on and are being paid per post.

Ohhh I almost forgot about the $100 signup bonus too. Didn't even factor that in. Come on people, use your head here.
I have no adult.com sig, and I'm not paid per post. People undercutting costs to get new members is nothing new. It happens all the time, and is usually a limited time type of deal. It works, it's business, get used to it. How many sponsors out there pay for free joins/1$ joins? I bet they lost money on some of those joins too...but some of the joins result in making money eventually - just like attracting affiliates that will make you money in the long run.

Christ.
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Old 09-27-2004, 02:42 PM   #4
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I'd just like to point out a couple things:

The cost of this product is anywhere between $80-$100 depending on what sort of deal the distributor got.

The sale price is $300.
There are processing fees, employee commissions/salary (shipping, sales reps) office space costs

At this payout they are losing money on every transaction. So unless they have banked a lot of cash to recoup from paying out more than they are even making - you can only guess what they are probably doing.

Yes, I am publicly saying this. And you can feel free to say "how unprofessional". I really don't mind, considering you probably have an adult.com sig on and are being paid per post.

Ohhh I almost forgot about the $100 signup bonus too. Didn't even factor that in. Come on people, use your head here.
are you saying there might be a slight
involved?
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Old 09-27-2004, 02:42 PM   #5
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Nah, I have no proof of ANY shaving going on nor have I heard anyone saying anything like that.
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Old 09-27-2004, 02:45 PM   #6
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I'd just like to point out a couple things:

The cost of this product is anywhere between $80-$100 depending on what sort of deal the distributor got.

The sale price is $300.
There are processing fees, employee commissions/salary (shipping, sales reps) office space costs

At this payout they are losing money on every transaction. So unless they have banked a lot of cash to recoup from paying out more than they are even making - you can only guess what they are probably doing.

Yes, I am publicly saying this. And you can feel free to say "how unprofessional". I really don't mind, considering you probably have an adult.com sig on and are being paid per post.

Ohhh I almost forgot about the $100 signup bonus too. Didn't even factor that in. Come on people, use your head here.

Don't forget brad - we also offer 8 other products that we dont pay 200$ on. We only pay 50%. We are in this for the LONG run. Paying 200$ on a 300$ sale isn't much when you factor in everything else we sell
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Old 09-27-2004, 02:49 PM   #7
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Brad are you accusing us of shaving?
Well let me say that in many years we have been doing business we have never resorted to such ways of making profit.

You don't know what price we are paying for the extender. If we make such a payout it means we are getting very sweet prices from our supplier based on the volume we do.
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Steve: Not sure if you caught my second reply where I said NO I am not accusing you of shaving.
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Steve,

most every company pays about the same for the Extender, you know that man

Now someone needs to start making these in the usa, not the cheap plastic bs or knock offs, but the same ones from overseas. High Grade medical metal, etc.
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Steve: Not sure if you caught my second reply where I said NO I am not accusing you of shaving.
Yes you were brad, don't step back in fear
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wow is this part 2?

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I'd just like to point out a couple things:

The cost of this product is anywhere between $80-$100 depending on what sort of deal the distributor got.

The sale price is $300.
There are processing fees, employee commissions/salary (shipping, sales reps) office space costs

At this payout they are losing money on every transaction. So unless they have banked a lot of cash to recoup from paying out more than they are even making - you can only guess what they are probably doing.

Yes, I am publicly saying this. And you can feel free to say "how unprofessional". I really don't mind, considering you probably have an adult.com sig on and are being paid per post.

Ohhh I almost forgot about the $100 signup bonus too. Didn't even factor that in. Come on people, use your head here.
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I'd just like to point out a couple things:

The cost of this product is anywhere between $80-$100 depending on what sort of deal the distributor got.

The sale price is $300.
There are processing fees, employee commissions/salary (shipping, sales reps) office space costs

At this payout they are losing money on every transaction. So unless they have banked a lot of cash to recoup from paying out more than they are even making - you can only guess what they are probably doing.

Yes, I am publicly saying this. And you can feel free to say "how unprofessional". I really don't mind, considering you probably have an adult.com sig on and are being paid per post.

Ohhh I almost forgot about the $100 signup bonus too. Didn't even factor that in. Come on people, use your head here.
If you think $80 is the best deal a company can get on some plastic and metal you are nuts.
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you can only guess what they are probably doing.
sounds like an accusation to me
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If you think $80 is the best deal a company can get on some plastic and metal you are nuts.


We sold the same device for over a year, sold thousands, and have a pretty good idea what the lowest bulk reseller rate is.
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I have no adult.com sig, and I'm not paid per post. People undercutting costs to get new members is nothing new. It happens all the time, and is usually a limited time type of deal. It works, it's business, get used to it. How many sponsors out there pay for free joins/1$ joins? I bet they lost money on some of those joins too...but some of the joins result in making money eventually - just like attracting affiliates that will make you money in the long run.

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We sold the same device for over a year, sold thousands, and have a pretty good idea what the lowest bulk reseller rate is.

do you get it directly from the factory ? if not stfu
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Hmm. Hijacking threads again.
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do you get it directly from the factory ? if not stfu
whats with your ------- bro ? :-/
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Stocktrader,

While there may be some knock off companies out there, there is really only 1 company who makes and distributes this product.

So they kind of have a lock at the moment for these items. Have been talking to my step brother whois a mech. eng. about making these same products in the usa, we shall see..
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whats with your ------- bro ? :-/



dunno , did that last night when I was kind of drunk, didn't seem annoying at all , is it ?
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I'd just like to point out a couple things:

The cost of this product is anywhere between $80-$100 depending on what sort of deal the distributor got.

The sale price is $300.
There are processing fees, employee commissions/salary (shipping, sales reps) office space costs

At this payout they are losing money on every transaction. So unless they have banked a lot of cash to recoup from paying out more than they are even making - you can only guess what they are probably doing.

Yes, I am publicly saying this. And you can feel free to say "how unprofessional". I really don't mind, considering you probably have an adult.com sig on and are being paid per post.

Ohhh I almost forgot about the $100 signup bonus too. Didn't even factor that in. Come on people, use your head here.
Very good business ethics.
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Very good business ethics.

yeah,theres a reason why he bounces around
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dunno , did that last night when I was kind of drunk, didn't seem annoying at all , is it ?
yea just a bit :-/
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yeah,theres a reason why he bounces around
Higher pay, better working conditions - exactly lots of reasons.
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Very good business ethics.
Well - the thread was at the bottom of the page when he bumped it for me ;) I was just about to ask someone to bump it for me too hehe



I dont see he cant understand it is possible to pay 200$ per sale when we have 8 other products aswell and have been selling these pills for MANY MANY MANY years.


This industry is full of paranoid people :P


gesh ... and to think ... BRAD got me the job I have now ... :P
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Hmm. Hijacking threads again.

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You're one to talk you fucking moron. How many companies have you been with now? 3 for sure since I have been around.
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You're one to talk you fucking moron. How many companies have you been with now? 3 for sure since I have been around.
he is a big guy - lots of him to go around :D :D
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Just to clear things up. In more than 4-5 years in the business with different kinds of programs OA Internet Services never shaved. That is a fact and whoever says otherwise is either plain stupid or just wants to create shit on us.

Let me explain you how come we afford to pay $200 a sale for the extender.

Our company is based on making small proffit but big volumes. We prefere to make only a 5-10% proffit margin on our products but be in business for a long term. Of course it seems like the easy route Brad's point of vue, screw people hard now and get out of the biz fast. That is not our motto my friend, is better to make small money for a long time than big money for a small period of time. After all the sign of success is counted by how long you last in this biz. This is very important for me.

Second, I will not give you our bulk prices as that is confidential as per our agreement with the manufacture, but trust me at those prices we are making a small proffit. Also trust me we have deep enough pockets to afford to do that and make sure we will get as many webmasters on our program. I will even prefere to loose money on it but know that I will get the biggest share of webmasters for the program. Those webmasters will not only advertise the extender but also other products of OA Internet Services Ltd. where the proffit margin is bigger. Business has to be taken as a whole and not separate parts to make money. IF the whole model makes money then trust me I am happy in the long term. That is long term business planning and you will thank me for this free lesson if you will apply it.

Good luck with everybody and let webmasters make the most money they are working hard for their bucks and they diserve it. we are happy with small percentages that with big volumes make big bucks for us!

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Stocktrader,

While there may be some knock off companies out there, there is really only 1 company who makes and distributes this product.

So they kind of have a lock at the moment for these items. Have been talking to my step brother whois a mech. eng. about making these same products in the usa, we shall see..
That's not my point. Brad has absolutely 0 idea what they pay, how much profit they look to make with this (if any), or anything to do with the business he is commenting on. His statement is bullshit and shouldn't have been made.

As an example, I was selling diet, penis, etc. pills years ago to pharmacies. They came from the same lab as everyone elses but we could sell them cheaper than even the largest buyers paid wholesale.

And finally, if one of my employees had made that post I would have fired his ass on the spot. I like FastSize and I don't really like the fact of people copying the idea / product soon after Fastsize was started but this thread wasn't about that. The comments should have never been made.
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... nice move, someone will soon pay $250 ... $300 ... $350 ... it will happpen, mark my words. !!
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Stocktrader,

I hear you. My point was that the wholesale pricing points on these products is about the same for everyone, and everyone knows that.

There isn't many ppl in our industry that knows the wholesale / retail game like we do you know. Not to say others can't get better points, but they better be buying some serious units. Most aren't
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I am in very good mood tonight. My cat gave birth to 4 very cute kitties . My wife and I are very happy about it.

But when we post in our competition's threads we REMOVE sigs out of respect, thus we don't hijack threads.

Also the second thread you posted as an example has been an accusation of our company and you wonder why Chris responded?

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Stocktrader: how much traffic do you send to us?

I'm pretty sure the very few clients I have secured in 3 weeks would make anyone think twice about canning me for pointing something out on the boards that TWO PEOPLE icqed me about moments after the thread was opened and said "WTF???". I just said what people who "KNOW" the product are thinking.

Stocktrader: That's nice you have a keyboard but it certainly doesnt mean you know what you're talking about.
We have some sample products in our office and I KNOW what they cost. Thanks, come again.
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I'm pretty sure the very few clients I have secured in 3 weeks would make anyone think twice about canning me for pointing something out on the boards that TWO PEOPLE icqed me about moments after the thread was opened and said "WTF???". I just said what people who "KNOW" the product are thinking.

Stocktrader: That's nice you have a keyboard but it certainly doesnt mean you know what you're talking about.
We have some sample products in our office and I KNOW what they cost. Thanks, come again.
Like I said, if you went spouting off at the mouth I would give 2 shits who you brought into a program.

Do you have any idea how much he pays? NOPE
Do you know if he cares to make a profit? NOPE
Do you have any business insinuating things the way you did? NOPE

I'll say this one more time for emphasis. I'm sure you know pills real well too. We paid less for pills 3 years ago than what anyone can buy them for today regardless of your volume. We got the same price on 24 bottles as we did 10,000 at a time.

Now, tell me how you know what you are talking about. Unless you've seen the inner workings of the other biz you are off base and talking out of your ass.

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You're a MOOOORRRRROOOONNNNN stocktrader. I know what their product cost is (same as everyone else give or take a few % points) I know their payout. Their processing fees are the same (give or take a small %) as everyone else.

I'm not going to argue with you as I know it fuels your fire. Bottom line, everyone IN THE BIZ knows everyones costs and profit margins. You're not inside. You have no info. STFU.
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Like I said, if you went spouting off at the mouth I would give 2 shits who you brought into a program.

Do you have any idea how much he pays? NOPE
Do you know if he cares to make a profit? NOPE
Do you have any business insinuating things the way you did? NOPE

I'll say this one more time for emphasis. I'm sure you know pills real well too. We paid less for pills 3 years ago than what anyone can buy them for today regardless of your volume. We got the same price on 24 bottles as we did 10,000 at a time.

Now, tell me how you know what you are talking about. Unless you've seen the inner workings of the other biz you are off base and talking out of your ass.

Thanks, come again.
Its not really about what we pay for our product. We are not just an extender company. we sell other products aswell as the company has other ventures aswell.

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You're a MOOOORRRRROOOONNNNN stocktrader. I know what their product cost is (same as everyone else give or take a few % points) I know their payout. Their processing fees are the same (give or take a small %) as everyone else.

I'm not going to argue with you as I know it fuels your fire. Bottom line, everyone IN THE BIZ knows everyones costs and profit margins. You're not inside. You have no info. STFU.
Brad,

Stop being so defensive. We are not a charity and are in this business to make money. We have launched offline marketing campaign which increased our volume significantly and thus we can offer this payout and still make profit
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Its not really about what we pay for our product. We are not just an extender company. we sell other products aswell as the company has other ventures aswell.

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Trust me, I understand. I've sold shit that I lost $20 a pop on before but I had other motives. He's out of line and needs to shut up.
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You're a MOOOORRRRROOOONNNNN stocktrader. I know what their product cost is (same as everyone else give or take a few % points) I know their payout. Their processing fees are the same (give or take a small %) as everyone else.

I'm not going to argue with you as I know it fuels your fire. Bottom line, everyone IN THE BIZ knows everyones costs and profit margins. You're not inside. You have no info. STFU.
Everyone in the pills biz thinks they know everyone elses costs, margins, etc. as well. I'm telling you that knowing those margins we paid well under what ANYONE else could pay regardless of volume. It didn't matter if you bought 100 times what we did from the same company and the same formula you would pay more. It was a one time deal that would never be brought up, discussed, or negotiated with any other company. End of story. Get your head out of your ass and leave this thread alone.
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Trust me, I understand. I've sold shit that I lost $20 a pop on before but I had other motives. He's out of line and needs to shut up.
Long time no chat man...

You have to understand that there's more going on here than just this thread ... a history of events.

Just for fun though, take a look at these two sites:

http://www.fastsize.com
http://www.vimaxextender.com

Pretty similar eh?

Bottom line is that Brad is right on, he is right on with amazing regularity, and that's why I brought him down here to work with me to begin with.
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Stocktrader: You're right, I do need to leave this thread. You, and this thread are wasting my time. I could be talking to someone with some traffic right now instead of you.
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Well I just started advertising Fastsize last week. havent pushed a sale but here's a thought on those trying to make bank.

If they are 80 a peice then they can be bought for 30. I've been in manufacturing for over 20 years and believe me its possible.

Crank the price to 150$. pay your affiliates 50 bucks a sale. and sale 150 times more than you would at 300$ with a high payout.


You take 50$ from 10000 people and I'll take a penny from everyone.... lets see see who makes the most bank.
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Stocktrader,

ok so you got some good deals on pills, wow

We have been in the products game since 92, mind you mostly adult. Sextoys, condoms, pills, dvd's, cd's, etc. The game isn't hard to figure out man.

When most companies pay straight wholesale for sextoys, dvd's, etc we pay well under the "wholesale cost" given to most everyone else that wants an account.

It's all about relationships man, good sales, oh and of course loyalty does help
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monday seems to be cocky-and-unprofessional-account-representatives-day. It's striking.
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You're a MOOOORRRRROOOONNNNN stocktrader. I know what their product cost is (same as everyone else give or take a few % points) I know their payout. Their processing fees are the same (give or take a small %) as everyone else.

I'm not going to argue with you as I know it fuels your fire. Bottom line, everyone IN THE BIZ knows everyones costs and profit margins. You're not inside. You have no info. STFU.
I dont think you could call anybody moron here, and I will not say more out of respect for the company you work for .

Answering your reply:
-You do not have any idea what it costs us, you have no clue what our biz relationship is with the manufacture and you have no clue what other ventures and how close we are to the manufacture.
-the processing costs are not the same you have no clue again how much we pay for processing. Let me tell you the rates for merchant account range anywhere from 2% to 20%. That makes a big difference trust me.
-you have no clue what we pay for our shipping and handling employes and our shipping charges.

And finaly my friend I already lectured you on what our biz model is and we dont care making small money on a product or not at all proffit if we will make it back from other ventures we have. Again you have no clue how we make money and how much we do


Basicly you have no clue of anything related to our biz but you keep writing crap anyways. Out of respect for yourself and the company you work for that has pretty good reputation, you should shut up as your comments are not your personal point of view anymore but the company's you represent.
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When most companies pay straight wholesale for sextoys, dvd's, etc we pay well under the "wholesale cost" given to most everyone else that wants an account.

It's all about relationships man, good sales, oh and of course loyalty does help
This went deeper than all of that. ;) I was just trying to make a point that he has 0 way of knowing what's up and shouldn't be insinuating things like he did.

I may hit you up soon to see if you're interested in another market for your pills. Let me talk to one of my friends here first and see if he's busy with anything else at the moment.
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Well I just started advertising Fastsize last week. havent pushed a sale but here's a thought on those trying to make bank.

If they are 80 a peice then they can be bought for 30. I've been in manufacturing for over 20 years and believe me its possible.

Crank the price to 150$. pay your affiliates 50 bucks a sale. and sale 150 times more than you would at 300$ with a high payout.


You take 50$ from 10000 people and I'll take a penny from everyone.... lets see see who makes the most bank.

There are already 7 or 8 companies producing similar devices, and have been for years ... with prices ranging from $40 to a 24 karat gold-plated extender for over $1000 USD.

It is not our goal to sell a cheap quality product and attempt to buy for $25 each, although it's my understanding that someone is already doing this.

We have a different gameplan for FastSize, one that only trusted affiliates are privy to at this time.
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