This 'flip-flop' shit got old.. Any other actual arguments against Kerry?

Bush hears the voice of the almighty

I just think they're both douches

http://johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvot...himanyway.com/

He's adamantly against outsourcing American jobs to foreign labor yet his own fuckin wife has 57 (no pun intended) of her 80 ketchup factories overseas, using foreign labor.

I'm sure a lot of those other countries use ketchup.

I don't like the fact that he is very rich

You are so ignorant. Kerry says one thing and does another, the outsourcing post is just one of many.

Oh who cares, we're all doomed bush is going to win anyway.

That doesn't bother me, it's the fact that he compares himself to the average middle-class citizen. That's BS in my mind when you own 3 beach houses and a million-dollar yacht on the side.

If the flip-flopping isn't enough, how about the borderline treason against America in the 70's?

The guy obviously has a character problem. He'll say anything to convince people to vote for him. He doesnt actually have to believe what he saying or intend on doing anything that he says he'll just say it...

Just imagine that he is elected he tells the UN one thing about how he feels on an issue then decides to do something different? How is that going to play? If the flip-flopping was just over some gun laws or whatever it would be one thing. But every issue he has contradicting views on. And on one of our most important issues the Iraq War, hes had like 8 opinions...

This gives me the impression he isnt honest, sincere, or has the courage to be the leader of this country.

He started his campaign that he was a war hero... Well it turns out he did alot of dishonerable things during and after the war. Only after he realized he couldnt keep on lieing about it did he stop talking about it? He never once explained what he did and why he did it. Or even attempt to apologize about it.

Again showing me that he is not honest, sincere, or does he have the courage to be the leader of this great country.

Those are reasons not to vote for him? How about is there any reasons to vote for him?

most, if not all of those factories, produce ketchup for the countries they are in or near. I know the the factories that are in Canada only sell to Canada. I don't see it as outsourcing if you have a factory in another country that produces stuff for the country it is in. Now if they had factories in some other country that made ketchup that was then shipped and sold to americans it would be outsourcing.

so if Bush goes into Iraq and now everyone looks around and sees that it's a cluster fuck(even his own party and staff members are saying that the outlook is not good) and he doesn't offer appologies or explain what is going on that is taking a stand is okay. But if Kerry refuses to appologize or explain his war record in vietnam this is not okay?

that sounds like a double standard to me.

n/m GFY likes to make the hahahahahahaha's

There is nothing that the Bush supporters can say about Kerry that cannot be said about Bush himself. End of story. Vote for whoever the hell you want to, it's your future.

ps: Downtime is a moron.

The truth is that a leader who cannot adjust to the changes in a situation is a fool. Hence modifing one's positions (ie: flip flopping is not necesarily a bad thing).

Bush is just so dangerous that he should not be re-elected. He echoes to many of the traits of the very people he hunts. He hears messages from god and acts on them, I wonder who else makes the same claim.

Ignorant eh? I don't know enough about you to claim the same about you, but what his wife does with her company is little business of his. Maybe it is ignorant to assume other countries where they have factories also use ketchup. Kerry saying he is against outsourcing and his wife with a company he has next to nothing to do with that happens to be a worldwide company with worldwide facilities hardly qualifies as him "flip-flopping".

we're all doomed either way

You must really hate Bush.

Borderline treason? Do tell.

He has not apologized since he has nothing to apologize for.

You're talking about a worldwide company that has been around for 140 years. Of course they are going to have factories in other countries. How stupid are you?

I seen Kerry on tv with his "i support the second ammendment" bullshit with a gun in his hand... flat out fucking complete lie.. it takes an act of god to get a permit in this state(mass) and you have to report to more state agencys then a sex offender if you move. Not to mention your mug shot and finger prints are sent to the criminal history board for owning a gun


Can you spot him? The guy says whatever he thinks people want to hear at that moment. Lie or not.

It really fucking sucks that there is only 2 fucking options.. it's like choosing if you want to die from cancer or aids.

He does have Bush/Cheney in his sig... you do the math

Do you think 100% of the World's ketchup is used in the USA? 70%+ of their factories are in the US, I'm sure they export a good chunk of that. Do you understand what outsourcing is?

I swear it's like you suckers don't even think for a second before spitting out talking points.

I was debating with my friend and she said she is going to vote Bush and not Kerry because Bush according to her is for "security" while Kerry is not, and because Bush is more experienced. She thinks that everyone wants to bomb the US and she's more in favor of security I guess.. She would rather be more secure but lose personal liberties.

Someone counter argue this so I can use your arguments against my friend and win next time we argue, I'm not too much into politics so couldn't think of a good rebuttal.

Rebutal this :

- Bush is more experienced than Kerry
- Bush is for security

And I'll use your arguments next time we bring this up again.

First of all, the problem with oursourcing is when you fire an American to employ someone cheaper overseas. Building a ketchup factory in the country where you are going to sell the damn ketchup just makes sense.

I know John Kerry doesn't run Heinz. Why the hell should it matter how a company his wife is connected to has been run for the last century?

I am pretty sure Theresa Heinz-Kerry doesn't run the company either, by the way.

He was a WAR HERO..... in the the eyes of North Vietnamese
Photograph of John Kerry meeting with Comrade Do Muoi, General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam. Photo is displayed in the War Remnants Museum (formerly the "War Crimes Museum") in Saigon.

Bush creates fear better, which makes him better at selling security. He is a master of spin, but he hasn't made us any safer. His only experience is repeatedly being at the right place at the right time.

Kerry is not against security. He just isn't as ignorant or unilateral as Bush when it comes to how he would bring it. Remember also that Kerry has no lack of experience... Bush was a failed minor oil exec. Kerry has been a successful Senator for quite a while.

He's also an avid hunter and sportsmen so I'd imagine he supports the right of citizens to own guns.

Bush says he's for secrity, but he's lying. When he's cutting funding to first responders, police, firemen, etc, how can he says he cares about the safety of the US people? He's spending 400 billion on an illegal war that's breeding terrorists who want to kill us, instead of spending the money at home on things like port security. Kerry will do a way better job making the US safer.

OMG, he meets foreign leaders? He should just kill them all, bomb their people, and hope no one retaliates.

He met with some vietnamese in Paris. This is nothing new and I believe he testified to it in the 70's to congress. How is that treason?

You are clueless......

http://www.nrapvf.org/kerry/default.aspx

Isn't Iraq only around 200 billion so far?

fuck your idiot...

Research what " outsourcing " is

Take a poke around that site. Point me to something non-partisan please. Looks like he's in favor of regulation and controls on guns. Doesn't sound very anti-gun to me.

Read and learn.. He was STILL a Naval Officer in the inactive reserves:

http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...rticle_id=3778

Ahhh if he is so pro gun, why does the nra HATE IS GUTS?

Here is more..... from a non_NRA source.

http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/200...0156-4833r.htm

You're right. We should have guns for sale in every vending machine and 7-11 in the country. While we're at it we should have a gun welfare program for those who cannot afford one. It should also be required that babies can not leave the hospital after birth until they are issued a gun. Damn liberals.

Uhm... because they are in bed with Bush..... I don't recall having semi-automatic weapons when the constitution was created?

OK corky, what the fuck does any of that shit you just babbled have to do with kerry flat out lying? Read the fucking thread title. It's about arguments about kerry, I gave one.. if you cant figure that out have someone read it to you slowly.. if that fails i'll go hunt down a crayon font and spell it out in grade 1 level reasoning for you.. k?

Perhaps we should go back to muskets?

Why? Because I have different views than you? Gotta love these 4th grade insults, you're representing your side very professionally.

From Michael Moore

Monday, September 20th, 2004

Dear Friends,

Enough of the handwringing! Enough of the doomsaying! Do I have to come there and personally calm you down? Stop with all the defeatism, OK? Bush IS a goner -- IF we all just quit our whining and bellyaching and stop shaking like a bunch of nervous ninnies. Geez, this is embarrassing! The Republicans are laughing at us. Do you ever see them cry, "Oh, it's all over! We are finished! Bush can't win!

Waaaaaa!"

Hell no. It's never over for them until the last ballot is shredded.
They are never finished -- they just keeping moving forward like
sharks that never sleep, always pushing, pulling, kicking, blocking,
lying.

They are relentless and that is why we secretly admire them -- they just simply never, ever give up. Only 30% of the country calls
itself "Republican," yet the Republicans own it all -- the White
House, both houses of Congress, the Supreme Court and the majority of the governorships. How do you think they've been able to pull that off considering they are a minority? It's because they eat you and me and every other liberal for breakfast and then spend the rest of the day wreaking havoc on the planet.

Look at us -- what a bunch of crybabies. Bush gets a bounce after his convention and you would have thought the Germans had run through Poland again. The Bushies are coming, the Bushies are coming! Yes, they caught Kerry asleep on the Swift Boat thing. Yes, they found the frequency in Dan Rather and ran with it. Suddenly it's like, "THE END IS NEAR! THE SKY IS FALLING!"

No, it is not. If I hear one more person tell me how lousy a
candidate Kerry is and how he can't win... Dammit, of COURSE he's a lousy candidate -- he's a Democrat, for heavens sake! That party is so pathetic, they even lose the elections they win! What were you expecting, Bruce Springsteen heading up the ticket? Bruce would make a helluva president, but guys like him don't run -- and neither do you or I. People like Kerry run.

Yes, OF COURSE any of us would have run a better, smarter, kick-ass campaign. Of course we would have smacked each and every one of those phony swifty boaty bastards down. But WE are not running for president -- Kerry is. So quit complaining and work with what we have. Oprah just gave 300 women a... Pontiac! Did you see any of them frowning and moaning and screaming, "Oh God, NOT a friggin' Pontiac!" Of course not, they were happy. The Pontiacs all had four wheels, an engine and a gas pedal. You want more than that, well, I can't help you. I had a Pontiac once and it lasted a good year. And it was a VERY good year.

My friends, it is time for a reality check.

1. The polls are wrong. They are all over the map like diarrhea. On
Friday, one poll had Bush 13 points ahead -- and another poll had
them both tied. There are three reasons why the polls are b.s.: One, they are polling "likely voters." "Likely" means those who have consistently voted in the past few elections. So that cuts out young people who are voting for the first time and a ton of non-voters who are definitely going to vote in THIS election. Second, they are not polling people who use their cell phone as their primary phone.

Again, that means they are not talking to young people. Finally, most of the polls are weighted with too many Republicans, as pollster John Zogby revealed last week. You are being snookered if you believe any of these polls.

2. Kerry has brought in the Clinton A-team. Instead of shunning
Clinton (as Gore did), Kerry has decided to not make that mistake.

3. Traveling around the country, as I've been doing, I gotta tell ya,
there is a hell of a lot of unrest out there. Much of it is not being
captured by the mainstream press. But it is simmering and it is real. Do not let those well-produced Bush rallies of angry white people scare you. Turn off the TV! (Except Jon Stewart and Bill Moyers -- everything else is just a sugar-coated lie).

4. Conventional wisdom says if the election is decided on "9/11" (the fear of terrorism), Bush wins. But if it is decided on the job we are doing in Iraq, then Bush loses. And folks, that "job," you might have noticed, has descended into the third level of a hell we used to call Vietnam. There is no way out. It is a full-blown mess of a quagmire and the body bags will sadly only mount higher. Regardless of what Kerry meant by his original war vote, he ain't the one who sent those kids to their deaths -- and Mr. and Mrs. Middle America knows it. Had Bush bothered to show up when he was in the "service" he might have somewhat of a clue as to how to recognize an immoral war that cannot be "won." All he has delivered to Iraq was that plasticized turkey last Thanksgiving. It is this failure of monumental proportions that
is going to cook his goose come this November.

So, do not despair. All is not over. Far from it. The Bush people
need you to believe that it is over. They need you to slump back into your easy chair and feel that sick pain in your gut as you
contemplate another four years of George W. Bush. They need you to wish we had a candidate who didn't windsurf and who was just as smart as we were when WE knew Bush was lying about WMD and Saddam planning 9/11. It's like Karl Rove is hypnotizing you -- "Kerry voted for the war...Kerry voted for the war...Kerrrrrryyy vooootted fooooor theeee warrrrrrrrrr..."

Yes...Yes...Yesssss....He did! HE DID! No sense in fighting
now...what I need is sleep...sleeep...sleeeeeeppppp...

WAKE UP! The majority are with us! More than half of all Americans are pro-choice, want stronger environmental laws, are appalled that assault weapons are back on the street -- and 54% now believe the war is wrong. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM OF ANY OF THIS -- YOU JUST HAVE TO GIVE THEM A RAY OF HOPE AND A RIDE TO THE POLLS. CAN YOU DO THAT? WILL YOU DO THAT?

Just for me, please? Buck up. The country is almost back in our
hands. Not another negative word until Nov. 3rd! Then you can bitch all you want about how you wish Kerry was still that long-haired kid who once had the courage to stand up for something. Personally, I think that kid is still inside him. Instead of the wailing and gnashing of your teeth, why not hold out a hand to him and help the inner soldier/protester come out and defeat the forces of evil we now so desperately face. Do we have any other choice?

Yours,

Michael Moore

OK, your link backs up my post. Thanks. He met them, he testified to that, then he went to try to get US POWs released. What an asshole.

You clearly missed the point..... Downtime, you are still a moron.

You are going to link me to the Washington Times with a straight face?

Sun Myung Moon is a great guy.

If you say something this dumb about Kerry:

"He's also an avid hunter and sportsmen so I'd imagine he supports the right of citizens to own guns."

Then THIS is probably YOUR source of information:
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400 BILLION HUH?

WOW, you colossal moron -



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