I posted the following on AWI. I would be interested in hearing your comments. I am a firm believer that our business follows the same age old model that others do. I don't believe in the Harvard Business School BullShit.

Posted on AWI:

TGP2 is a great idea.

I build galleries. TPG2 will lower my bandwidth bill by 50% minimum. That is about a thouand dollars that I don't have to pay to the ISP.

I intend to setup a TGP2 site. I will demand high quality photography, which includes cropping, color blance, and other factors. I will also allow free host but they will be judged by the same standards as the galleries. I will not hesitate to ban a free host if their additions to the galleries do not meet tgp2 rules.

This idea will catch on if the webmasters provide tgp2 sites and the gallery makers realize what an opportunity this is to reduce their overhead.

As for sponsors, they live or die off of the traffic we send them. Every business lives by three basic factors: traffic; holding the interest of the customer, and closing the sale.

Some sponsors are nothing more than circle jerks, no offense to those that run clean sales programs, that finally convince the customer to buy. As webmaster, we should examine how the surfer is handled after we send him to a sponsor. We should expect the same high standards from sponsors as we expect of our selves and the ppl building galleries. If they will not then start banning galleries that use them. A 10% drop in signup will cause them to change their ways. (new addition, we will be sending high quality traffic, do you really think they will turn it away)

Finally TGP2 can refuse to trade with TGP, just as most CJ2 sites do not trade with CJ sites.

It will be interesting to watch what happens.

End of AWI post.

I do not believe that sponsors run this business. I see numerous post by ppl wanting to know what is converting. IMHO, we control the business by constantly searching for the best converting sponsor. When word gets around everyone jumps on the bandwagon and the other sponsors go wanting. Those that are not converting start rebuild their sites.

OK, I started posting, let's see what happens. btw, we'll need a more organized list, the current one it's quite fucked up. If needed, just send me your TGP's main page, your submit page URL (or mail), contact name and E-mail so I can make one in a few hours. btw, I'll make a list of galleries for those TGP needing submissions to start, I'll post them here late tonight

I almost forgot, my email is [email protected] http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Peace

Harvey

OK, I've made a form for TGP webmasters and gallery posters so I'll be able to make a page with that info, which I'll check manually. Feel free to send your site/gallery to http://www.getteen.com/tgp2webmasters.html

Peace

Harvey

PS: Since this thread is getting way too long, I'll open a new one

hi all polish TGPs will change now to TGP2.We wish you all good luck and more bucks then the other TGP will get.

Ludedude
Drop me an email! I have some thing you might be needing. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

OzKaNoz

BTW, everybody start submitting your TGP2
galleries, now! Besure to use the linking code that you will be given. Submit



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If anyone want, I can build up a directory for TGP2. My plan is make categories for different TGP2 sites like, Hardcore, Asian, Fetish...... and so on. And each webmaster can select what kind of requirements they like.

All information will clearly show on the listing page.

Any one want me to do it?

Yeah, that's a good idea. Don't forget to put up a "variety" category, since lots of TGP's are more general than specific.



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Respect,
DamageX

Bear!!!!

Great idea!!

Go ahead and build it

I love the way this thread is going I'm seeing one great post afetr another!

You're making my day guys!

Wolfshade


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Just wondering, has any one that knows some of the big boys (the hun ect.) adressed them with this littel brainstorm we got going, and what did they say?
one tgpmaster told me the idea sucked, I just gave him this for my motivation:galleries are harder and harder to convert to some cash;
I'm in this buisness to make some $$$$ not to give a way free porn to horny surfers at my bandwith costs.

I think you guys feel the same, maybe we could adress the webmasters in the confirm mail about the new generation tgps, like the lower bandwith bills ect

just my thoughts before I go get my self some booze.

greetz Jim
my tgp2: http://www.mypinkhole.com

Hey Oz...thanks for the message. I managed to dig up a copy of the zip for it.

I also broke down and bought AG Pro yesterday, so I'm full of scripts LOL

I'm hoping to get that site online today, so will need gallerys posted etc. I don't have a traffic trading script (yet) but I'll happily put a table at the top of the TGP page with whoever wants to trade traffic with me. Let's get this on the road...

I also added my site to whoever posted a page with a small listing yesterday. Is someone going to take charge of keeping track of who is in this game? I'm NOT volunteering http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

I'm in, I've got a couple domains floating in space that need to be worked on... http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif Just a couple of days! Other than the board, is there an official TGP2 website?

[This message has been edited by Gumby (edited 07-28-2001).]

Jim

I did e-mail The Hun and I got a reply from him. Check it out here: http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/...ML/006167.html


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Respect,
DamageX

My Opinion!
Good idea! But, Get Real!
This tgp2 idea don't have a chance against the current tgp's! In a sec I'll tell you why.
All of the webmasters soon or later realize that in the adult bizz you must fight 2 main fronts:
1-Against surfers.
2-Against other webmasters (tgp's owners against submitters).
Also webmaster/sponsor but thats other story.

If the idea don't gives a shit about surfers or other webmasters it will soon die. What are you trying to do here is fuck the surfer big time! You think that the surfers stupid? In the place of the surfer when I realize that this tg'p just gives first 5 full sized thumbs I would quickly push the x button and go to tgp that gives all for free!

You're trying to bite the hand you're eating from. But I totaly agree that giving the surfer 100% is very bad for the industry!All of the idea of free porn started from competition between webmasters over traffic, and the surfers got more and more (now they getting even movies for free. Hell what next? Live Feeds?).

The only reasonable combination will be it to keep it fair for all of the parts.

It surely will be hard to take from surfers something that they already have. 100% Free Porn. I don't say it can't be done, I think the best chance is to cut their breath in one move. But for that we will need good cooperation between webmasters.

We(webmasters) will need a whole new concept that will compete the old system. So it must be better for webmasters from all of the sides the surfers don't have the real choice here I doubt they will stop surfing porn hehe http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

So here is my suggestions:
1- ratio of clickable thumbs/non clickable. Must be 50/50. Ie. 15 thumbs gallery first 7 clickable, 30 then the first 15 clickable. You must give them something otherwise they'll go to tgp that gives them 30 thumbs all clickable. We will be able to lower the ratio to 1/3 once the idea catches up. Anyway all of the real action in the second part of series pictures gallery's! Also no small thumbs so the surfer can see the rest and not click hehehehe http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif I'm cruel http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

2-We must increase the cooperation between the submitting webmasters and tgp owners. Each side MUST think of other side too! We all in this together (trying to make as much as possible from the surfers). On the submit pages the tgp will get 2 good links(as you would put for youre sponsor) to their sponsor, one at the top and one in the buttom so it will be in his interest to send you some traffic and change to tgp2. Also would be a good idea to put them more links the bigger the gallery. Help them make money and they will help you!!!

3-NO html pages on thumbs!(at least not at first) Just imagine checking all those pic pages?

4-Resips only to tgp2!

5-All of the categories.

Also I don't see big tgp's posting here. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/frown.gif
I think that the small ones can start with the idea right away but the big ones will have to wait and join later on all in once to cut the surfers throat and so they will not be able to find it on other big tgp. In my opinion that will give a FUCKIN big Boost to the industry with offering the surfers just 1/2 for free!


This post become too long whooooo. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif
Why it always 2 cents? Why not 3? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Cheers,
Big Ben.

whats tgp2 ?

my6

whats tgp2 ?

my6

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/...ML/006081.html

TGP 2 is a new style TGP site
It requires galleries to be made with only 5 clickable thumbs leading to quality images either on html pages or leading to the big picture.

There can be up 15 more thumbs on a gallery but those may not be clickable(a small textlink below like join here leading to your sponsor is acceptable on most TGP2's)

This design was invented by Andy for the purpose of giving the surfer quality but less quantity resulting inmore productive hits, meaning more sales from your sponsor less costs in bandwidth and webspace.

Any questions?

Big Ben

Because of the above reasons I think you are wrong because:

It's about educating the surfer to let him/her know that the high quality stuff is in the member based sites.

And it's about eductaing webmasters that with less bandwidth costs and more productive traffic there's more money to be made on all fronts.

Sure TGP's are laughing (now) but once the idea sinks in and webmasters realise this we'll see who has the last laugh.

Wolfshade



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It's the choice of an Adult generation!

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Hey all,

if you want to submit TGP2 galleries, you're welcome. http://www.teenagefreepics.com/submit.htm

And if you want better placement and guaranteed listing (I'm sure you want http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif ) then send me 3 or 4 gallery samples ALONG with e-mail address AND nick you use when submiting to [email protected], I will issue you a password.


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bye, evil.

i hope we will rotfl... :-)

I'm up and running, but the dozen galleries I have posted were gleened from this board. I have coined the term "Free Sex Galleries (FSG)" in place of TGP2, and it is getting attention from my surfers.

There was a suggestion that we use something besides TGP to distinguish the new wave from the old, and establish new surfer expectations accordingly. FSG is the best I could do in a flash.

To get started, visit my submit page (below) to check out my expectations, them email me your page links.

Cad

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True amateurs submit at http://www.sexxydreams.com/<BR>
Submit Free Sex Galleries (TGP2) at: [URL=http://www.sexxydreams.com/wmaster.html#anchor485478[/URL]<BR>
or by email.

OK, my submission form is working!!!

<center>Cad

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True amateurs submit at http://www.sexxydreams.com/

Submit Free Sex Galleries (TGP2) at <A HREF="http://www.sexxydreams.com/wmaster.html#anchor485478" TARGET=_blank>http://www.sexxydreams.com/wmaster.html#anchor485478
</A>.

[This message has been edited by Cadbury (edited 07-29-2001).]

I use exclusively freehosts, but this certainly doesn't indicate that my galleries don't comply to the rules as well (and better in some cases) then those Paid hosting submitters.

I use 100% purchased and licensed content, never a blind link, and only those affiliates that I feel are ethical business operators.

My galleries consistently are approved by all of the major TGP's, and routinely make it to the top part of their lists. (Of course position could just be a factor of what time I submit my galleries.

Plus, if the TGP's are to be operated by any of the big affiliate program owners, I think they would be quick to point out that a good portion of their income comes from those of us going the freehost route. Eliminating those of us who use Freehosts could certainly effect their bootom line.

I know that the AP program sends me a check for just over $1,000 a month ( and the same with Cybererotica) from sales generated from my TGP traffic. This may not come close to some of the big players out there, but in the grand scheme of things, I am sure when you take into account the traffic from all of the freehost submitters, this probably adds up to a fairly handsome sum.

My 2 cents http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

dewpoint,

Which freehosts do you use in order to get accepted by all major TGP's?

I use smutserver, which I consider as one of the best, but some major TGP's appear to dislike it. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/frown.gif

Why would surfers visit TGP2 rather than TGP1???

we should have fresh surfers. not those who surf tgp1...

fucking idiots.

dont mean to sound rude, but why dont you be a fresh surfer of my cock!

Im starting to learn that most of the people posting on this particualr thread are the newbie scumbag cheaters that are about to get a big suprise.

Fucking theifs.

YOu should get on your knees and pay hommage to the great one the big bad booty daddy and lick my nut into the boneprone family of forgiveness and protection.. You're gunna need it.

LMAO!!!! ...No Really.

I think it's quite clear to anyone who reads this board just who is the biggest idiot on it. (Hint to that idiot: It's you boneprone)

I just thank god you don't pollute AWI with your presence.

Cheers,
Backov


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Why does everything have to have a name?

CJ1, CJII, now TGP2, what's next, high
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Life's a bitch

everything has to have some name, because we wouldn't know what we talk about... http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

if i wanted to tell you something about CJ2 and it wouldn't have any name, how long would it take to describe what i want to talk about?

http://thetipsysheep.com/cgi-bin/tgp2/dbspace.cgi if you have a TGP2 site list it here, seems the original is out of action.

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Right on Tipsy!!!
Great work http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

You know what's funny?

Alot of people who are supporting this "new" form of tgp were blacklisting people left and right a few weeks ago for blindlinking their thumbs.

And I believe some of you guys even chastized a guy on this board for blindlinking his thumbs which got listed on the hun.

So they're cheaters then, but they're ideal now?

I believe TAM's tgp already has the basic "theme" of tgp2. She's been allowing blind linked thumbs and even HTML pages for the pics for some time now.

The idea's old. Move on people.

Also, what's the deal with freehosts vs paid?
I mean...C'MON PEOPLE!

If you seriously think that only the freehosts have the cheaters, you're inexperienced webmeisters or just stupid..period. There are cheaters EVERYWHERE. *Wake up*

The problem isn't the submiters, it's the freehosts. If the freehosts wouldn't send people to 404 pages left and right, they would have never been blacklisted from tgps in the first place.
And we would all be talking about "just" cheaters now instead of freehosting cheaters.

Remember.. the diffence between a pro cheater and a newbie cheater is the number of times they get caught.

stangster
The ideal is not to blind link the thumbs. The ideal is to have a gallery with say 10 to 20 HQ pics with only 4 or 5 of the thumbs leading to the big pics. The rest of the thumbs are samples, tease. Get them horny not get them off. The 4 or 5 clickable thumbs can lead to the big pics by its self or can be on a html page with one text link.

Your right, cheaters are everywhere be a free host or paid hosting.

To get a better understanding of what we are trying to do, drop by the TGP2 Webmasters BBS

Peace
Oz

BTW this is a common presentation for True Amateur sites ...lots of tease (high quality samples) ...join for more!!!

<center>Cad

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Submit Free Sex Galleries (TGP2) at http://www.sexxydreams.com/wmaster.html#anchor485478.

I was not talking about the name, but I cant
see what makes it impossible to run a TGP
now, without that TGP2..

I run a TGP and I only trade with CLEAN Tgps
so what's the problem?



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Life's a bitch

silly.

I just changed an old site of mine, into an TGP2, and is looking for new TGP2 trades.
This site aint got much traffic (yet), but the little it have, is pure SE traffic http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif

I´ll only accept pre-qualified webmasters to submit. (Aint got the time for cheaters http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/tongue.gif)
It won´t be hard to get accepted, just wanna filter the pop-up creators and the "none TGP"2" galleries away.

I´m also VERY interested in some trades !
If you´re interested send me a mail at [email protected] !

Please check it out @ http://www.porn-plaza.com/tgp2.shtml

Ideas and suggestions are more than welcome too http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

-Santa
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