What do you need to succeed in single girl paysite? - GoFuckYourself.com

Phil · 09-20-2004, 09:08 PM

I have seen some girl sites that are pretty hideous and some that make your jaw drop.. what makes them successful besides obvious like updates, interaction and such.

Nickless · 09-20-2004, 09:25 PM

a VERY hot girl, the rest is filling.

gregtx · 09-20-2004, 09:27 PM

a hot girl with a business mind... who also sees what kind of money can be made with some work and dedication

pornguy · 09-20-2004, 09:27 PM

There are some girls out there that do not look that good, that are making pretty good money.

But yeah. I would have to say the most important thing is to have the single girl.

gregtx · 09-20-2004, 09:30 PM

agreed there are a shitload of girls who IMHO are unattractive who run sites.. who do decent..... just b/c they work hard and make good business decisions.. mainly.. interact with their members..

abyss_al · 09-20-2004, 09:32 PM

traffic and right marketing

Phil · 09-20-2004, 09:33 PM

Well, that?s my point. I see Vanilla.. Ok.. no brainier here. But then I look at Ali or Punker Barbie and I see nothing but average day to day girls?

Phil · 09-20-2004, 09:35 PM

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Originally posted by abyss_al
traffic and right marketing

Hmm. I wish I new what exactly ?right marketing? meant?

BitterPen · 09-20-2004, 09:36 PM

A hot little bitch, tight ass CONTRACT, and a girl with an OPEN mind! Good marketing helps, but if the girl is hot, it shouldn't be hard to promote her.

boobmaster · 09-20-2004, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by CAMOKAT
I have seen some girl sites that are pretty hideous and some that make your jaw drop.. what makes them successful besides obvious like updates, interaction and such.

If the surfer likes the girl, nothing else matters. They might bitch and complain about lack of updates or whatever, but they will keep resubscribing month after month after month.

boobmaster · 09-20-2004, 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by CAMOKAT
Well, that?s my point. I see Vanilla.. Ok.. no brainier here. But then I look at Ali or Punker Barbie and I see nothing but average day to day girls?

Attraction is a complete mystery. If I could figure it out, I'd be richer than Lensman.

Bigjohn · 09-20-2004, 09:42 PM

One man's trash is another man's treasure.

There are LOTS of ugly girls who are married or have boyfriends.... so it makes sense to me that , that what you consider to be an average girl could sell very well if marketed correctly.

abyss_al · 09-20-2004, 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by CAMOKAT
Hmm. I wish I new what exactly ?right marketing? meant?

marketing is the key to success... the way to advertise, the wording, the look to give the girl, surveys, .....so many..

chase · 09-20-2004, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by CAMOKAT
Well, that?s my point. I see Vanilla.. Ok.. no brainier here. But then I look at Ali or Punker Barbie and I see nothing but average day to day girls?

Two explainations:
1) Different Strokes for Different Folks...not just looks, but personality, fetishes or lack thereof...a basic compatibility between the surfers "ideal" and the girl.
2) The girls you mention have that sexy co-ed next door look that is almost attainable...the girl is real enough to let the surfer imagine he may have a chance if he says the right thing and connects with her on a level that other members haven't, while still being wicked cute and sometimes out of his league.

Downtime · 09-20-2004, 10:15 PM

A very, very hot girl that will at least tease, or show partial/implied nudity.

www.divinity18.com
www.teenkelly.com

It's pretty basic logic. Get really hot girl. Run with it.

AaronM · 09-20-2004, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by abyss_al
traffic and right marketing

WHAM!

NOTHING else matters. People will buy whatever you sell them.

AaronM · 09-20-2004, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM
WHAM!

NOTHING else matters. People will buy whatever you sell them.

BTW...If you don't know how to sell then you are in the wrong game.

abyss_al · 09-20-2004, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM
WHAM!

NOTHING else matters. People will buy whatever you sell them.

exactly

see...you know what im talking about

kaylacam · 09-20-2004, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by CAMOKAT
I have seen some girl sites that are pretty hideous and some that make your jaw drop.. what makes them successful besides obvious like updates, interaction and such.

You need TWO things:
a single gal
and a paysite
HAHAHAHAHA

/me <3's beer!

kaylacam · 09-20-2004, 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by pornguy
There are some girls out there that do not look that good, that are making pretty good money.

But yeah. I would have to say the most important thing is to have the single girl.

I represent that remark!

abyss_al · 09-20-2004, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by kaylacam
I represent that remark!

hey there...long time no see

AaronM · 09-20-2004, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by abyss_al
exactly
see...you know what im talking about

Yep...And thankfully...Most other people do not. That makes things a bit easier for those of us who do.

BitterPen · 09-20-2004, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by kaylacam
I represent that remark!

abyss_al · 09-20-2004, 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM
Yep...And thankfully...Most other people do not. That makes things a bit easier for those of us who do.

pyramid

kaylacam · 09-20-2004, 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by abyss_al
hey there...long time no see

Come on over!

kaylacam · 09-20-2004, 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by BitterPen

Too much beer...should I be insulted or thank you?

hehehehe

abyss_al · 09-20-2004, 11:38 PM

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Originally posted by kaylacam
Come on over!

some time this week?

baddog · 09-20-2004, 11:44 PM

members

baddog · 09-20-2004, 11:45 PM

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Originally posted by CAMOKAT
Well, that?s my point. I see Vanilla.. Ok.. no brainier here. But then I look at Ali or Punker Barbie and I see nothing but average day to day girls?

when did Punker Barbie open a site?

John3 · 09-20-2004, 11:59 PM

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Originally posted by baddog
when did Punker Barbie open a site?

He must have her confused with someone else

abyss_al · 09-21-2004, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by CAMOKAT
Well, that?s my point. I see Vanilla.. Ok.. no brainier here. But then I look at Ali or Punker Barbie and I see nothing but average day to day girls?

actually its the other way around... punker would do much better than vanilla IMO...

SomeCreep · 09-21-2004, 05:03 AM

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Originally posted by CAMOKAT
I have seen some girl sites that are pretty hideous and some that make your jaw drop.. what makes them successful besides obvious like updates, interaction and such.

Three simple steps.

1.) Single girl
2.) ???
3.) Make lots of money.

Step 2 will vary here and there.

FreeHugeMovies · 09-21-2004, 07:17 AM

Massive Tits Man!

Cman · 09-21-2004, 08:42 AM

You just need to be really hot and really slutty.

alexg · 09-21-2004, 08:44 AM

well first of all you would need a single girl

Reak · 09-21-2004, 08:44 AM

a hot, young and slutty teen

FlyingIguana · 09-21-2004, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by Nickless
a VERY hot girl, the rest is filling.

don't actually need to be hot, cute with personality is much better

punker barbie · 09-25-2004, 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by baddog
when did Punker Barbie open a site?

I was thinking the same thing ;)

PerfectionGirls · 09-25-2004, 01:33 PM

As said above. TRAFFIC... nothing else matters, you can have an ass ugly single girl site and if you have single girl traffic.... if will sell.

No of course.... single girl sites are twice as much work to maintain and update and all the rest... but its all about the traffic baby! Now, befor eyou go building a shit load of single girl site... getting stready single girl traffic and building yoru network is fucking hard and time consuming.

Melvin the Dude · 09-26-2004, 03:47 AM

and give your affiliates 50% payouts !

Nicky · 09-26-2004, 03:59 AM

You firstly need to have a very good / hot or odd looking girl for it, and ofcourse loads of quality content and videos and possibly live show and updates 3-4 times a week, if not every day.....

XXXdwarf · 09-26-2004, 06:46 AM

First of all the girl shouldn't mostly look hot, but must have the extra thing. The thing that sparks from your screen.
Then a top marketing is priority.

That'll do it..

bangman · 09-26-2004, 07:06 AM

You really don't need a drop-dead gorgeous model to have a successful solo-girl paysite. Give your members loads and loads of high-quality content (videos are a must), and interaction.

Updates are a must. At least once a week, but 3-4 days a week works as well. Just make sure there is enough content to keep the member busy so they don't get bored.

Make them feel like they have personal contact with the model.
Setup a system for the members to talk to the model, let them send her messages, etc.

Gather some affiliates.
If you are not into handling your affiliates, or do not have time to do it all, just do it on a case by case basis and only let on as many affiliates as you can possibly handle.
Give the affiliates excellent support, tools, etc.

It all comes down to what you are after yourself.
You can throw traffic at a site and maybe get them to signup, but if the member's area is no good they won't reccur.
If you are looking to build yourself an excellent revenue stream, then you need to do your homework and build up an excellent member's area that the member can't possibly get bored with.

Hope this helps

Good luck bud

Groove · 09-26-2004, 07:08 AM

You need traffic, lot's and lot's of traffic.
Everything else is useless without traffic.

Paul Markham · 09-26-2004, 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM
WHAM!

NOTHING else matters. People will buy whatever you sell them.

Very true.

But you can't make a living out of selling shit.

If you are going to market it and drive millions of hits at it, why not start out with the right product?

So far no one has given any credit to the person behind the camera. Getting the right exposure, angles, settings is pretty easy. Making a girl with no intentions of fucking anyone look like she would do a gang bang for a pizza is hard and that's the first thing you need for a single girl paysite.

Having a HOT girl shot badly, turned off by the whole thing and on the defensive will not work, having her shot the same way time after time will not work so well.

When you have the girl you need to open her up and portray her strengths and hide her weaknesses. Then you need to build the range of content, as if she started a bit unsure and as she got into the modelling taking more steps and going further. Good point here for her to ask people "Should I do XZY", "Do you think this is a good idea?"

Then she need to be around for updates and one to one. You can fake this and shoot everything over a short period of time to release over the life of the site, but better to have her around.

Then you need the marketing and traffic.

I will take the results off a site like I just described against any crap site with the same marketing. Selling a good product is easier than a bad one, you just have to know what is good.

Paul Markham · 09-26-2004, 08:01 AM

It always seems to me that the people who say TRAFFIC TRAFFIC TRAFFIC, either already have a good product and take it for granted or don't know enough about porn to build a good site.

Crap is crap no matter how much you say about it or how many people see it.

Get things right in the right order. Sort out what you are going to sell, how you will deliver it and then do the marketing.

All the time while working on one part considering the other two aspects of the job.

Concentrating on just one aspect will never work.

FlyingIguana · 09-26-2004, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by Groove
You need traffic, lot's and lot's of traffic.
Everything else is useless without traffic.

whats this the late 90s? convert and retain, traffic is useless unless you can do that.

Paul Markham · 09-26-2004, 08:18 AM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana
whats this the late 90s? convert and retain, traffic is useless unless you can do that.

Don't be silly.

The surfer is not getting wiser or used to a better product, they are all still idiots with a dick in one hand and a credit card in the other.

Just throw them at it and they will sign up, they are happy to see any nude feamle, they never cancel, never charge back and will probably upsell for everything you show them.

FlyingIguana · 09-26-2004, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by charly
Don't be silly.

The surfer is not getting wiser or used to a better product, they are all still idiots with a dick in one hand and a credit card in the other.

Just throw them at it and they will sign up, they are happy to see any nude feamle, they never cancel, never charge back and will probably upsell for everything you show them.

they are getting wiser, well maybe not wiser, but there's so much free porn that you can't throw up some cookie cutter site and make 1:100 ratio's like you could a few years ago.

chase · 09-26-2004, 08:31 AM

I have a lot of surfing experience before I flipped to webmaster, and from that...
There is a reason the amateur market is so big these days....the girls are attractive, but not unreachable. They take care of their appearance, but don't give the impression that they are high-maintainance. They seem like the kind of girl you might have half a chance with.
The kind of site I'm most likely to join is the girl who is very cute, someone you'd be proud to have on your arm, but not prissy or full of herself. She's cool, likes (or says she likes, lmao) "guy" stuff, like sports, or cars. She enjoys her site because she's an exhibitionist, but she respects her own limits and won't do things for money that she wouldn't do for fun. She takes the time to spend to get to know her members, but if they want to remain anonymous, she's fine with it. She is genuine, and open-minded, and intelligent; she's someone you can discuss current events with as easy as you can discuss sex.
So, while being physically appealing is important, people's physical tastes vary soooooo widely that I would venture to say that it is more important to have an great personality behind the face.

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pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	There are some girls out there that do not look that good, that are making pretty good money. But yeah. I would have to say the most important thing is to have the single girl. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

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gregtx Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,929	agreed there are a shitload of girls who IMHO are unattractive who run sites.. who do decent..... just b/c they work hard and make good business decisions.. mainly.. interact with their members.. __________________ Processing Partners http://www.processingpartners.com

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Phil Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,659	Well, that?s my point. I see Vanilla.. Ok.. no brainier here. But then I look at Ali or Punker Barbie and I see nothing but average day to day girls? __________________ Ask Phil

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BitterPen Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: TN Posts: 1,926	A hot little bitch, tight ass CONTRACT, and a girl with an OPEN mind! Good marketing helps, but if the girl is hot, it shouldn't be hard to promote her. __________________

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Bigjohn Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Deep inside my mind Posts: 1,118	One man's trash is another man's treasure. There are LOTS of ugly girls who are married or have boyfriends.... so it makes sense to me that , that what you consider to be an average girl could sell very well if marketed correctly.

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Downtime Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: America. Posts: 7,320	A very, very hot girl that will at least tease, or show partial/implied nudity. www.divinity18.com www.teenkelly.com It's pretty basic logic. Get really hot girl. Run with it. __________________ #27024067

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PerfectionGirls Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MI Posts: 4,484	As said above. TRAFFIC... nothing else matters, you can have an ass ugly single girl site and if you have single girl traffic.... if will sell. No of course.... single girl sites are twice as much work to maintain and update and all the rest... but its all about the traffic baby! Now, befor eyou go building a shit load of single girl site... getting stready single girl traffic and building yoru network is fucking hard and time consuming. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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bangman Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: PA, USA Posts: 5,283	You really don't need a drop-dead gorgeous model to have a successful solo-girl paysite. Give your members loads and loads of high-quality content (videos are a must), and interaction. Updates are a must. At least once a week, but 3-4 days a week works as well. Just make sure there is enough content to keep the member busy so they don't get bored. Make them feel like they have personal contact with the model. Setup a system for the members to talk to the model, let them send her messages, etc. Gather some affiliates. If you are not into handling your affiliates, or do not have time to do it all, just do it on a case by case basis and only let on as many affiliates as you can possibly handle. Give the affiliates excellent support, tools, etc. It all comes down to what you are after yourself. You can throw traffic at a site and maybe get them to signup, but if the member's area is no good they won't reccur. If you are looking to build yourself an excellent revenue stream, then you need to do your homework and build up an excellent member's area that the member can't possibly get bored with. Hope this helps Good luck bud __________________ - David Hall ICQ: 312744199

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Groove Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,852	You need traffic, lot's and lot's of traffic. Everything else is useless without traffic.

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Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	It always seems to me that the people who say TRAFFIC TRAFFIC TRAFFIC, either already have a good product and take it for granted or don't know enough about porn to build a good site. Crap is crap no matter how much you say about it or how many people see it. Get things right in the right order. Sort out what you are going to sell, how you will deliver it and then do the marketing. All the time while working on one part considering the other two aspects of the job. Concentrating on just one aspect will never work. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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chase Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,019	I have a lot of surfing experience before I flipped to webmaster, and from that... There is a reason the amateur market is so big these days....the girls are attractive, but not unreachable. They take care of their appearance, but don't give the impression that they are high-maintainance. They seem like the kind of girl you might have half a chance with. The kind of site I'm most likely to join is the girl who is very cute, someone you'd be proud to have on your arm, but not prissy or full of herself. She's cool, likes (or says she likes, lmao) "guy" stuff, like sports, or cars. She enjoys her site because she's an exhibitionist, but she respects her own limits and won't do things for money that she wouldn't do for fun. She takes the time to spend to get to know her members, but if they want to remain anonymous, she's fine with it. She is genuine, and open-minded, and intelligent; she's someone you can discuss current events with as easy as you can discuss sex. So, while being physically appealing is important, people's physical tastes vary soooooo widely that I would venture to say that it is more important to have an great personality behind the face. __________________ Need Hosting? Reality Check Network services me purrrfectly!