Formal :)

I got your contact information so I will contact you next week to see if we can do a project together. I am always looking for extra help and $500 a month is reasoble expecially if we can get to the top 20.

I also would throw http://www.adult-website-hosting.com in the mix since it's dropped off of adult web hosting and adult hosting.

Talk to you soon,

-Charles

:1orglaugh wannabe se guru

I've noticed that, I split my traffic a while ago with some subaccounts tracking to see which engines do better and was rather surprised to see that Google was one of my worst converting traffic sources. PPC and Yahoo were right up there as top converting.

WG

Yup, thank god for it too or I'd be really screwed :)
WG

I used to be a white hat until Google did this shit to me during the Florida update.

WG

I'd love to see that. It would make sense, the set of domains that are supposedly banned were just bought in late August and activated early September. Hopefully they'll come back!

WG

Google traffic has been consistently shitty for me as well. Yahoo beats them by a mile.

Wired Guy - I know you don't like to give out anything, but if you were to guess - why would you think they banned those domains? Usually you have to overstep pretty far.

I haven't lost a domain since SEGuru had that spidertrap back 5 years ago.

I'm pretty whitehat though.

Remember that script I told you about in Phoenix that got me that #1 ranking. Well, I stepped it up a notch or two :)

It shouldn't have gotten me banned though since I modified it to spread the PR over several pages so I wouldn't be #1 on all the keywords but rather just sit in the top 10 among different keywords. As you can expect this was a blackhat script :)

WG

It probably triggered some kind of filter when the bots came. I used to be a big cloaker for my former employer, but it was very feast or famine. It would be a pain in the ass - just as you think you have it tweaked - that's when they will get you.

That's why I chose the direction for my own stuff that I have now, but - then again - I'm not nearly as smart as you. :)

Oh I'd rather be in your shoes by far. Having a white hat site such as yours is very stable and you don't need to worry about Google catching on to your tricks. Of course it doesn't hurt to have a black hat site on a different host :Graucho

WG

So what do you guys estimate the average uniques per day a site ranked 10,000 to 5,000 on Alexa is doing?

Jay, I have a question for you that I have been wondering for quite some time. When you click on one of your links to a gallery, it typically goes to a page that gives another 'enter here' link.... so you basically have a 'enter here' page between your site and the gallery. What are the benefits to this? I don't know if you want to share this info, so if you don't.. please say so. Just something ive been very curious about.

Those just are sites that have submitted and have been listed. I list sites, not galleries. There's no big secret there.

The spidertrap got me banned as well. Hard to believe that was five years ago.

I wish I had some SEO skills !